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Megatron96 11-25-2024 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 17825340)
I mean yeah but after his first game here he had two straight games of 60-70% snaps. If it's a playbook thing or doesn't make sense for his snaps to go down the longer he's here. I think they're trying to keep him fresh for the playoff run or he has some minor injury they're trying not to make worse.



I mean, I obviously have no idea what they're thinking. I do know that Hopkins never looks gassed the way Mike Evans has a lot of the time when I've watched him this season. And he's clearly wanted to be on the field on 3rd downs, but they always shake their heads at him.


I guess we'll see what they have planned eventually.

siberian khatru 11-25-2024 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary Cooper (Post 17825357)
He's the third oldest WR in the league. He's 32. Only Adam Thielen and Keenan Allen are older.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why he's not getting snaps now. They're saving him for the playoffs.

They need to do the same with Kelce.

I was surprised that Kelce played 66 of 74 snaps yesterday.

Bob Dole 11-25-2024 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17825446)
I mean, I obviously have no idea what they're thinking. I do know that Hopkins never looks gassed the way Mike Evans has a lot of the time when I've watched him this season. And he's clearly wanted to be on the field on 3rd downs, but they always shake their heads at him.


I guess we'll see what they have planned eventually.

You think it might have anything to do with the conditional draft pick we used in the trade?

Gary Cooper 11-25-2024 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 17825454)
I was surprised that Kelce played 66 of 74 snaps yesterday.

Same. Especially with a short week this week. We can thank the defense for forcing Reid's hand yesterday.

Megatron96 11-25-2024 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dole (Post 17825474)
You think it might have anything to do with the conditional draft pick we used in the trade?

Honestly, no. Because that would be just about the dumbest ****ing reason imaginable for keeping DHop off the field. If that were the reason, I’d say that was a fireable offense.

DenverChief 11-25-2024 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17825737)
Honestly, no. Because that would be just about the dumbest ****ing reason imaginable for keeping DHop off the field. If that were the reason, I’d say that was a fireable offense.

Would it tho? The risk of injury goes up along with the possibility of the higher draft pick the more he plays.

TwistedChief 11-25-2024 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 17825748)
Would it tho? The risk of injury goes up along with the possibility of the higher draft pick the more he plays.

Yes. Because the difference between a late 4th and 5th round pick isn't insanely material and it only becomes a 4th if he plays 60% of snaps AND we make the Super Bowl.

We very possibly have 2 more losses already if Hopkins didn't exist on the team. Anyone here would do a 4th/5th pick swaps in a heartbeat for a Super Bowl appearance.

Megatron96 11-26-2024 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 17825748)
Would it tho? The risk of injury goes up along with the possibility of the higher draft pick the more he plays.



He doesn't have an injury problem. Some people conflated that idea when he tore his MCL back in '21, then missed the first 6 games of '22, due to a suspension, not the injury. Other than that, he's missed a game here and there, but the reality is that he's played 92% of all possible games throughout his career. I mean, he played every single game for TEN while he was there, all 23 games, I think?

And a Grade 3 MCL 'tear' isn't even a tear, it's more like he overstretched it.


I think he's physically fine, and holding him back over a potential draft pick is worse than dumb. He needs to be on the field, getting a feel for those subpackages as soon as possible, because we're going to need him out there come the playoffs. I just watched the A-22 of the game, and he was a really big part of the reason we even won that game, and I'm not just talking about the TD catch.

All that said, I don't believe that Andy would be dumb enough to limit DHop's snaps because of a potential 4th rdr; he's just not that kind of stupid. I think it has to do with the fact that he's only been on the team for a month.

And JuJu just got back, and he needs to get some reps to get back up to speed, obviously, because he looks like he's not quite there yet.

And I noticed that they have Mecole doing some different things, like playing RB, and I'll bet that becomes something in the playoffs.

And of course, Worthy needs his reps as well, simply because he's a rook.


But I still say there's simply no reason for our WR5 to eat up 65% of the snaps, when DHop could easily take on an extra half-dozen or 10 snaps, and the offense would definitely be a lot better for it.

Bob Dole 11-26-2024 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17825737)
Honestly, no. Because that would be just about the dumbest ****ing reason imaginable for keeping DHop off the field. If that were the reason, I’d say that was a fireable offense.

Yeah. Since we've been losing without playing him more, someone should lose their job.

Great point.

kysirsoze 11-26-2024 07:26 AM

If his snap count has anything to do with the draft pick, it's that they always planned to put him on a pitch count and negotiated the trade accordingly.

Megatron96 11-26-2024 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dole (Post 17826106)
Yeah. Since we've been losing without playing him more, someone should lose their job.

Great point.


lol, seriously? You think our overall record is relevant to the conversation?

We almost lost to a decimated TB sporting the 29th defense in the NFL.

We did lose to BUF.

We scored just 16 pts on DEN.

We nearly lost to CAR one of the worst teams in the league.

I don’t know why any of that needs repeating. And weren’t you one of the ones that said CAR was going to be a’get-right’ game for us? Did it feel like a ‘get-right’ game during our 6th and 7th drives when we went 14 plays for 5 yds? Against one of the worst defenses in the league? Actually, the worst scoring defense in the NFL?

And the simple fact is that the offense is much more efficient when DHop is on the field than if he’s not. And he needs as many game reps as possible in situational packages as possible before the playoffs, SO THAT THE OFFENSE CAN BE AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE, wouldn’t we all agree?

You know, so that when we’re playing the best teams/defenses, our best WR can actually be on the field helping the offense score points instead of jerking off on the sidelines because JWat is so valuable with his 1.8 catches/game?


I’d rather DHop get all the necessary reps to be at his best, instead of saving a potential 4th rd pick, because I’d rather win another SB. Crazy, I guess.

Gary Cooper 11-26-2024 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17826064)
He doesn't have an injury problem. Some people conflated that idea when he tore his MCL back in '21, then missed the first 6 games of '22, due to a suspension, not the injury. Other than that, he's missed a game here and there, but the reality is that he's played 92% of all possible games throughout his career. I mean, he played every single game for TEN while he was there, all 23 games, I think?

And a Grade 3 MCL 'tear' isn't even a tear, it's more like he overstretched it.


I think he's physically fine, and holding him back over a potential draft pick is worse than dumb. He needs to be on the field, getting a feel for those subpackages as soon as possible, because we're going to need him out there come the playoffs. I just watched the A-22 of the game, and he was a really big part of the reason we even won that game, and I'm not just talking about the TD catch.

All that said, I don't believe that Andy would be dumb enough to limit DHop's snaps because of a potential 4th rdr; he's just not that kind of stupid. I think it has to do with the fact that he's only been on the team for a month.

And JuJu just got back, and he needs to get some reps to get back up to speed, obviously, because he looks like he's not quite there yet.

And I noticed that they have Mecole doing some different things, like playing RB, and I'll bet that becomes something in the playoffs.

And of course, Worthy needs his reps as well, simply because he's a rook.


But I still say there's simply no reason for our WR5 to eat up 65% of the snaps, when DHop could easily take on an extra half-dozen or 10 snaps, and the offense would definitely be a lot better for it.

I said this several pages ago, but there is a reason. He's one of the oldest WRs in the league. They need to be careful with his snaps, especially with this condensed schedule coming up.

jerryaldini 11-29-2024 06:46 PM

Dhop gets the game ball. 4-90 plus two big PI for 46. Loved the one hander on the overthrow that didn't count. So fun to watch every week.

Gray and Worthy also had nice games again. Pat threw for 306.

ThaVirus 11-29-2024 07:24 PM

He’s been awesome.

That drop was crazy weird, though lol did NOT expect that from him.

Bump 11-29-2024 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jerryaldini (Post 17833422)
Dhop gets the game ball. 4-90 plus two big PI for 46. Loved the one hander on the overthrow that didn't count. So fun to watch every week.

Gray and Worthy also had nice games again. Pat threw for 306.

I would give the game ball to Bolton, dude balled out today. I was criticizing him early on in the season and he's making me eat my words and they are tasty


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