ChiefsPlanet - NFL Draft ****The REAL OFFICIAL 2008 NFL Draft Thread****

ChiefsPlanet (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/index.php)

- Nzoner's Game Room (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/forumdisplay.php?f=1)

- -

****The REAL OFFICIAL 2008 NFL Draft Thread**** (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=183417)

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 4712354)

Poor Rivers, he's going to one of the worst franchises in the league.

Well he's a talented leader so I see why a team like them covets him.

Now the Pats take Jenkins, Cromartie, or Talib, I gues.

The Allen trade may end up being very lucrative if we get a good OL @ 17 and a CB in the 2nd.

Quote:

Originally Posted by banyon (Post 4712362)

Now the Pats take Jenkins, Cromartie, or Talib, I gues.

Turns out their trade was a smart one. Surprise, surprise.

Mayocks looking good. He had us getting Otah the #3 or #4 on some boards at #17. Looking more likely!

Unless there's a run...

Quote:

Originally Posted by banyon (Post 4712362)

Now the Pats take Jenkins, Cromartie, or Talib, I gues.

McKelvin or Cromartie.......remember McKelvin is a returner also.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 4712349)

All the players we don't want are moving out, time to get a kick ass OT at 17!!!!! sweet

I wouldn't gamble. Move up and take Clady. Quality OT's are essential to the rebuild. Give em a 3rd from the Vikes. I'd rather have Clady than Otah and a 3rd rounder.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delano (Post 4712367)

Turns out their trade was a smart one. Surprise, surprise.

Which also makes JAX's trade up that much dumber.

Ravens got 2 3rd rounders and a 4th rounder.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 4712370)

I wouldn't gamble. Move up and take Clady. Quality OT's are essential to the rebuild. Give em a 3rd from the Vikes. I'd rather have Clady than Otah and a 3rd rounder.

I would pass on Clady, Chris Williams is the better tackle.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 4712363)

The Allen trade may end up being very lucrative if we get a good OL @ 17 and a CB in the 2nd.

Would you trade Allen for Dorsey straight up?

With our failures at DT I would...

Jags gave up 2 3rd's and a 4th to move up.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 4712369)

McKelvin or Cromartie.......remember McKelvin is a returner also.

Oh yeah, him too.

The Jags didn't get too bent over there, but I still don't like it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 4712370)

I wouldn't gamble. Move up and take Clady. Quality OT's are essential to the rebuild. Give em a 3rd from the Vikes. I'd rather have Clady than Otah and a 3rd rounder.

I don't like Clady....

Good God, the Jaguars are dumb.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delano (Post 4712367)

Turns out their trade was a smart one. Surprise, surprise.

No chit. No one ever gets over on the Pats.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 4712370)

I wouldn't gamble. Move up and take Clady. Quality OT's are essential to the rebuild. Give em a 3rd from the Vikes. I'd rather have Clady than Otah and a 3rd rounder.

Clady blows ass.

The Ravens restock their draft board with that move.

Oh damn...

1st round, 2 3rds and a 4th goes to the Ravens for the 8th spot that Jacksonville took.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut (Post 4712379)

The Jags didn't get too bent over there.

JAGS GONNA
GET RAPED

Jax gave up 2 thirds and a 4th. to move up. not bad.

Where could we leap to for a 3rd?

2 thirds and a 4th for th jags....

not that bad, they kept their #1 next year and #2 this year

2 3rds and a fourth ? What does the value board say about that?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut (Post 4712379)

The Jags didn't get too bent over there.

Not as bad as I thought it would be.

Two thirds and a fourth.

Damn, the pipe dream of Rivers falling to #17 is over.

Rivers is a bad motherfucker, man.

A good number of trades, but there hasn't been any surprises with who has been picked.

Good choice for Cincy. They need some good leaders.

Quote:

Originally Posted by melbar (Post 4712389)

Jax gave up 2 thirds and a 4th. to move up. not bad.

Where could we leap to for a 3rd?

11 to 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 4712376)

Would you trade Allen for Dorsey straight up?

With our failures at DT I would...

To bad we never got to see them side by side...

Wow! Two thirds and another pick to move up to get Harvey? They must really love that guy. Harvey better be a monster, or Jax got the short end of that deal.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 4712370)

I'd rather have Clady than Otah and a 3rd rounder.

I wouldn't. Keep the pick and take the BPA at #17. JMHO

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 4712396)

Rivers is a bad motherfucker, man.

Yea he's gonna be great, he'll be the absolute leader that team needs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 4712363)

The Allen trade may end up being very lucrative if we get a good OL @ 17 and a CB in the 2nd.

I'm not sure Dorsey won't have a bigger impact on the team than Allen would have had, especially going into the future. A player like Dorsey can literally elevate the play of the whole unit, the DTs and DEs around him, the LBs, Ss and CBs behind him.

And we have 2 more picks to make today...

How awesome would it be if Groves fell to 35?

Predictions, who does KC take at 17?

Pats might take Albert here.

The Pats are going to draft DRC.

the negatives scare me....

Quote:

Analysis
Positives: Has a thick upper body build that might lack ideal muscle tone, but he does compensate with good initial explosion and raw, natural power...When he stays low in his pads and keeps his hands inside the framework, he generates a good surge off the snap and into the blocker, doing a stellar job of clogging the rush lanes and collapsing the pocket...Shows good ability to redirect and make tackles in the backfield and has the initial burst that allows him to make plays to the outside...Shows good feet and body control working in space and plays with a high motor...Understands blocking schemes and has no trouble retaining plays, picking things up quickly...Has long, functionally strong arms and large hands to grab and drag the ball carriers down...Plays through pain, evident in 2006 when he competed with a stress fracture in his leg, and in 2007 when he refused to sit out any games despite a knee injury and a sore back...Always seems to be in the right position to make the play, showing a good flow to the ball in the short area (lacks timed speed to give chase in long pursuit)...Has a great work ethic and takes well to hard coaching...Good team leader who works hard in the training room...Has the change of direction agility to make plays moving down the line...His acceleration is evident with his short burst and he displays very good stamina (rare to see him run out of gas)...Has a good concept for taking pursuit angles, showing quickness and explosiveness off the snap...Has the ability to create a new line of scrimmage with his initial step and is quick to gain advantage and shoot the gaps...Displays very quick hands and feet coming out of his stance, plus the body control to recover when he out-runs the play...Has become a physically dominant player who demands double-teams, as he does a good job in using his strength and explosiveness to close gaps and play with good leverage...Doesn't give up much ground to double-teams and creates good separation with his long arms...Reacts well to block pressure and locates the ball quickly...Strong inside run defender who consistently keeps his motor running, as he can make plays up and down the line of scrimmage (just lacks long speed on the chase)...Does a nice job of using his quickness and change-of-direction to spin out...Rarely gives up ground vs. double teams (usually only when he gets too high in his stance and leaves his chest exposed)...Has the brute strength in his hands to neutralize...Splits and redirects with leverage, flashing good strength to penetrate...Does an outstanding job of making plays outside the box and down field, as he uses his long arms effectively to create separation...Will chase and make plays in short pursuit, showing aggressiveness and urgency working down the line...Has the power to make explosive tackles and generates good pressure through a combo pass block, destroying fullbacks who get in his path...Possesses good club and rip moves, as well as a good bull rush... Has the ability to create separation from his opponent with an initial strike...Shows a quick burst to close on the quarterback or halfback from inside the box...Separates in the open with good surge and has very good hand technique to control blocks and disengage.

Negatives: Has a thick frame and while not sloppy, he does lack solid muscle tone, but does compensate with outstanding initial quickness and lower body strength...While he explodes off the snap, he has just marginal speed to make plays in long pursuit (best when shooting the inside gaps rather than try to make plays on the outside)...Has a strong lower body, but he needs to improve his base (gets narrow in his stance), as blockers have had success getting underneath his pads to lock on and wash him out of the play (see 2007 Tulane, Kentucky and Tennessee, and 2006 Tulane and Mississippi State games)...Must do a better job of planting his foot and anchoring vs. double teams (has good hand placement, but needs to counter better at times)...Best when taking angles or shooting gaps (gets too caught up in the battle when taking on isolated blockers at the point of attack)...Lack of ideal size might limit him to one-gap schemes...Generates good penetration, but for some reason, he fails to seal the deal on the quarterback (has only seven pressures in 51 games)...Does not display an array of pass rush moves, but shows good burst on the bull rush...Good complimentary type, but by declining postseason all-star invites it leaves one to wonder if he can dominate at the next level or is a player who was covered up by the LSU gang-tackling scheme (Tiger defensive linemen in the past have not lived up to their college billing in the NFL).

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 4712417)

Pats might take Albert here.

No ****ing way.

Where is that coming from?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefaRoo (Post 4712413)

Predictions, who does KC take at 17?

Well we have no idea who's gonna be there that's 7 more picks...

Radio guys just mentioned the Chiefs maybe trying to trade up with the Patriots. I wouldn't take it as anything more than conjecture at this point.

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 4712410)

And we have 2 more picks to make today...

Minimum...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delano (Post 4712421)

No ****ing way.

Where is that coming from?

There have been some reports that they like him alot...

It will be interesting who the Pats pick

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefaRoo (Post 4712413)

Predictions, who does KC take at 17?

Knowing Carl? A kicker or a punter. LMAO

I say we get Otah.

McKelvin, DRC, Albert, Williams, Mayo, and Otah all still there.

you can't help but think how dominating our defensive line would be if we still had Allen. But it was a good trade for us since JA wasn't going to sign with us long term. But damn, that would have been nice.

The Pats never take corners high either so this could be weird.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefaRoo (Post 4712413)

Predictions, who does KC take at 17?

I'd say Williams, Otah, or Mike Jenkins. Could be Merling or Campbell too...

so who you guys want at 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefaRoo (Post 4712413)

Predictions, who does KC take at 17?

Otah

When was the last time this board's been this positive after a draft pick?

Never?

Mayo goes, they stay away from corner.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 4712426)

There have been some reports that they like him alot...

Heh. Jerod Mayo.

Kinda outta the blue.

holy shit Mayo!!!!!!!!! hahahhaha

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHIEF4EVER (Post 4712429)

Knowing Carl? A kicker or a punter. LMAO

Run blocking fullback.:D

Mayock hits it again.

LB Mayo. I bet the Pats were pissed when the Bengals got Rivers.

Mayo at 10?

Didn't see that coming.

Jerad Mayo? Haha, perfect someone else will now slip!!

Jerod Mayo!!!

Mckelvin is within reach for us now...

wow...Belicheck says f u to the draft boards...

why not

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 4712439)

When was the last time this board's been this positive after a draft pick?

Never?

DJ and Hali were almost universally hailed, IIRC.

Especially DJ, which was kind of a similar "How the **** did this guy fall to us?" situation.

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 4712439)

When was the last time this board's been this positive after a draft pick?

Never?

DJ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 4712440)

Mayo goes, they stay away from corner.

We are empty at OL, CB, WR.

Only 1 player of those three are gone...

Sweet, Keep as many OL on the board until #17

Lots of fine players if KC trades up to this spot with the Bills.

I think that's probably about a 3-4 pick reach, but it's a huge area of need for them. The Pats don't really do BPA as much as other teams, though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 4712422)

Well we have no idea who's gonna be there that's 7 more picks...

Just take a guess Mecca.

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 4712410)

No chit, Dorsey can help our defense deal with our weak corners and young safties.