What started this whole debate changed when Sam said this:

Go back and look: that is where I entered the debate.

All those NFL statistical studies in academic journals?

It's going to be in the upcoming issue of PMLA, rest easy.

Couple research skills with a touch of common sense.

Dear God.

Sure, I'd get no where with STATISTICAL EVIDENCE that was created and maintained by the league in which these games are being played.

Statistical evidence > opinion.

Every day of the week.

You've yet to show any evidence, statistical or otherwise to back your claim.

Will you agree then that there is NO justification whatsoever for DaneMcCloud's claim?


Statistical evidence > opinion.

Every day of the week.

I agree with his opinion, however, there is no way to back it up.

I wasn't part of that argument, I'm not sure why you're asking me.

I'm asking you for a statistical breakdown to prove it or not. That's simple, isn't it? You've probably already got all the numbers right in front of you.

It's going to take researchers conducting a study and publishing it. Those Web sites can't be trusted, which we both have acknowledged.

Why should I do that work? I'm not the one making the claim.

Ask Dane to back up his claim.

No, WE haven't. YOU.

NFL.com can't be trusted?

http://i43.tinypic.com/rcnb7q.jpg

Okay, then. Here's a claim I'LL make. Drew Brees is a stud and would thrive on the Steelers - doing as well or better than Ben Rothlisberger. The numbers prove it.


So, back to Thigpen... I guess the whole point here was you can get stud quartebacks outside the first round sometimes. The fact that Thigpen wasn't a first-rounder should not be an issue now that there is actual on-field performance to evaluate.

not gonna read this entire fuggin thread ... but


imo there only seems to be a Thigpen fixation by the people(you know who your are) who INSIST the Thigpen can never be successful and freak out anytime anyone dares to give him the benefit of the doubt or wants to give him more time.


btw .... im pretty sure everyone of those bitches have posted a ton in this thread so if you're curious.

:eek:wow, I almost missed what this is about. I thought it was all those who hail Thigpen worthy of being the QBOTF and we can start filling other holes on the team.

I agree with this idiot.

What's your opinion on Thigpen and what they should do behind center, just out of curiousity?

Thigpen and drafted QB would only compliment each other
if both worked out you'd have a wonderful problem

i had high hopes for Thigpen

the offense went from complete shit to meh as soon as he got the job AND a offensive system that didn't look like it should be in a peewee league ... R2P2

i saw some improvement from Thigpen ... he's got heart and isn't a pussy.

he needs to improve his accuracy and his deep throws

then in the last 3-4 games he seem to stop improving

will he be better with more time and with an offense that wasn't installed in the middle of the season?

we dunno

if Stafford is there a #3 then i think we have to take him because we can't afford to wait to see whether Thigpen will improve or not.

Mark Sanchez ...... i'm not at all rational about him so i withhold comment.


imo we keep Thigpen and let him compete with whomever is in camp and we just see what happens under the new coaching.

Huard and Croyle should be gone ... Huard was an asshole last year and Croyle is made of glass.

that leaves 3 Quarterback spots open for training camp

Thigpen
Veteran FA or Grey Quinn(whatever the hell is name is)
Stafford or other Draft pick
wannebe to give a shot to


may the best man win

That's pretty much the way I see it.

After Thigpen(the jury is still out on him), the cupboards bare. No way, the position goes unaddressed.

For the most part, we're on the same page Laz. I'm going to break your quote up to address particular comments.



Keep in mind, this offense was installed in the middle of the season because he's not capable of playing in the pro-style offense that was implemented in the offseason.

We can't use the "offense was installed in the middle of the season" excuse when HE was the reason it happened that way.

Absolutely.

I respect the fact that you admit you're not rational about him, unlike the others that resort to making things up to discredit him.



I agree, there should be a competition.

Though, I think a lot of us feel it won't be much of a competition because we don't have faith that Thigpen will be able to become proficient in a pro-style offense in a single offseason - especially when the QB's he'll be competing with have been running this system their entire careers.

Unless Indy would accept a conditional 3rd for Peyton (my sources say they would) we really need to address QB in the draft. I believe Thigpen is a future HOF'er, but I'd like to see him beat out Manning to prove it.

Other than the humorous irony found here (someone tired of reading about Thigpen starting a thread about Thigpen), I think the reason some are okay with Thigpen is based on what is, in many respects, a fairly weak QB class this year.

Yes, there are those who are so worried about a draft bust that they'd be willing to trade out of the entire first round, let alone the #3. But what I've read from most pro-Thig people is that:

1. The offense wasn't horrific when Thig started, as compared to before.

2. The QB class this year is relatively weak compared to both the past and the 2010 possibilities.

3. There are other, more pressing needs on the team (LB, OL, DL) that could be addressed.

What I haven't read are many posts claiming that Thiggy is the next Peyton Manning -- just a servicable QB on a team with more glaring needs at the moment.

Personally, at this point I'll trust Pioli and Haley to evaluate the talent and make the right choice. If that means keeping Thig as the starter, so be it. If that means drafting a QB (at #3 or anywhere else), so be it.

Once they give me a reason to not trust them, I won't. But as of right now, I don't see why I shouldn't.

MM
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Couldn't disagree more, Mark.

There's a post of Mecca's IIRC from a few days ago where one of the experts were calling the theory of a weak QB class bullshit.

I tend to agree.

Just because the QB's behind Stafford and Sanchez are shitty, doesn't take away from their draft standing, nor should it.

The class last year had really shitty QB's after Ryan and Flacco, and they exceeded expectations.

We're talking about guys that would be ranked highly in any draft, because they have the physical tools and intangibles necessary to become elite QB's.

Please note that I haven't looked that deep into the draft yet, so that wasn't necessarily my take (though it may wind up being after I do some reading this weekend and next; not sure yet). I was just noting what I've been reading and hearing from people who want to keep Thigpen.

With that being typed, isn't the verdict on Sanchez (from "experts," not CP folks ;) ) pretty much mixed? Some think he's top-pick-worthy, but I've seen quite a few that don't. So that leaves one guy -- Stafford -- who pretty much everyone agrees is a top-pick-worthy kind of guy.

So, quite frankly, I can see why some think the class isn't all that deep.

That, though, leads to the whole "Chiefs Fan Fear" thing: it seems like some who make the weak-class argument want several guys to choose from so that the odds of picking a bust are reduced. Which doesn't make a lot of sense.

For example: Say you go to a store looking for one of two things, X and Y. X is top of the line, as is Y, and you'll be perfectly happy and successful with either. If X is out of stock, do you decide to skip that top-of-the-line Y and just go with a lesser-quality, piece of crap x? Hell no! You move on and go buy the Y -- it's quality, and what you needed.

(Does that make sense to anyone other than me? Hoep so.)

Anyway, like I typed earlier: I'll just wait and see what Pioli and Haley do, and hope they actually know what the hell they're doing.

MM
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You acknowledged that opening paragraph about inconsistent scorers in the link.

Yes, NFL.com can't be trusted. Most things on the Internet can't be trusted - even news reports. And stop acting you're king shit and telling people to back up their claims with statistical evidence.