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RealSNR 07-18-2012 06:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigRock (Post 8751223)
This is the complete opposite of what I'm doing.

The people pulling out every stat they can think of are the people trying to making the case that he's elite. I don't care what his numbers are. A guy can play with someone like Drew Brees and put up a bunch of yards and TDs, it doesn't make him an elite player. It makes him a guy in a good situation. On the other hand, a guy can play with shit around him and still be a beast. You can be an elite player and not have huge stats.

The very first thing I said in this thread is that if you have to look at a bunch of numbers to make the case that a guy is elite, then he's probably not. And that's all that's going on here.

We all watch Bowe play. If we're being honest, we all know that outside of his one great year in 2010, the games where Bowe went beast, the games where you'd watch him and turn to your buddy and go "Holy shit! I'd put him right up there with the best in the league!" -- which is what it means to be elite -- are far less common than the games where he was simply good.

It's like I'm insulting Bowe that I'm not saying he's elite. He's a VERY GOOD receiver. The best one the Chiefs have had since the Hoover administration. He's right in that group under the elite. He deserves every penny he can squeeze out of Clark. I have said all of this more than once.

He's just not an elite player. If he was an elite player, you could mention him in the same breath as other elite players. Megatron, Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson... Dwayne Bowe. Bit of a drop there.

And even the people saying Bowe is elite seem to admit this. They just want to expand the category of "elite" so it has multiple tiers, where Bowe can be included but still be ranked below the guys who actually ARE elite. Except doing that sort of defeats the whole purpose.
Do your homework and get some statistics to back up your claims, son.

You're being put to shame in this thread without'em.

aturnis 07-18-2012 06:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigRock (Post 8751223)
This is the complete opposite of what I'm doing.

The people pulling out every stat they can think of are the people trying to making the case that he's elite. I don't care what his numbers are. A guy can play with someone like Drew Brees and put up a bunch of yards and TDs, it doesn't make him an elite player. It makes him a guy in a good situation. On the other hand, a guy can play with shit around him and still be a beast. You can be an elite player and not have huge stats.

The very first thing I said in this thread is that if you have to look at a bunch of numbers to make the case that a guy is elite, then he's probably not. And that's all that's going on here.

We all watch Bowe play. If we're being honest, we all know that outside of his one great year in 2010, the games where Bowe went beast, the games where you'd watch him and turn to your buddy and go "Holy shit! I'd put him right up there with the best in the league!" -- which is what it means to be elite -- are far less common than the games where he was simply good.

It's like I'm insulting Bowe that I'm not saying he's elite. He's a VERY GOOD receiver. The best one the Chiefs have had since the Hoover administration. He's right in that group under the elite. He deserves every penny he can squeeze out of Clark. I have said all of this more than once.

He's just not an elite player. If he was an elite player, you could mention him in the same breath as other elite players. Megatron, Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson... Dwayne Bowe. Bit of a drop there.

And even the people saying Bowe is elite seem to admit this. They just want to expand the category of "elite" so it has multiple tiers, where Bowe can be included but still be ranked below the guys who actually ARE elite. Except doing that sort of defeats the whole purpose.
Exactly as I've been saying. He's second tier. Period. Elite is a very small group. It is a group that defines itself. It isn't based on the sample size, it's based on who belongs, and you can't expand the group to accommodate Bowe. He's second tier.

Hammock Parties 07-18-2012 06:39 PM
Roddy White got paid.

Bowe should get paid.

They are in the same tier.

Unless you think Roddy White is as good as Fitz and Megatron.

petegz28 07-18-2012 06:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toad King (Post 8751258)
Why does it god damn ****ing matter, you idiot?

If you put Bowe in Arizona with no RBs they're gonna throw to him a lot more.
I dont know why. Guess i figure a team with a top running game would tend to throw the ball less. Thus the cards having more pass attempts

Hammock Parties 07-18-2012 06:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8751292)
I dont know why. Guess i figure a team with a top running game would tend to throw the ball less.
This is an argument in favor of Bowe, you realize.

(you don't)

milkman 07-18-2012 06:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigRock (Post 8751223)
This is the complete opposite of what I'm doing.

The people pulling out every stat they can think of are the people trying to making the case that he's elite. I don't care what his numbers are. A guy can play with someone like Drew Brees and put up a bunch of yards and TDs, it doesn't make him an elite player. It makes him a guy in a good situation. On the other hand, a guy can play with shit around him and still be a beast. You can be an elite player and not have huge stats.

The very first thing I said in this thread is that if you have to look at a bunch of numbers to make the case that a guy is elite, then he's probably not. And that's all that's going on here.

We all watch Bowe play. If we're being honest, we all know that outside of his one great year in 2010, the games where Bowe went beast, the games where you'd watch him and turn to your buddy and go "Holy shit! I'd put him right up there with the best in the league!" -- which is what it means to be elite -- are far less common than the games where he was simply good.

It's like I'm insulting Bowe that I'm not saying he's elite. He's a VERY GOOD receiver. The best one the Chiefs have had since the Hoover administration. He's right in that group under the elite. He deserves every penny he can squeeze out of Clark. I have said all of this more than once.

He's just not an elite player. If he was an elite player, you could mention him in the same breath as other elite players. Megatron, Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson... Dwayne Bowe. Bit of a drop there.

And even the people saying Bowe is elite seem to admit this. They just want to expand the category of "elite" so it has multiple tiers, where Bowe can be included but still be ranked below the guys who actually ARE elite. Except doing that sort of defeats the whole purpose.
No, what's being done is showing numbers that support the argument that Bowe is an elite WR.

The only two receivers in the league right now that I would definitely want more than Bowe is Fitz and Calvin Johnson.

I don't need to see numbers to recognize that.

I see what Bowe has done, and see that he's capable of so much more with a better QB situation.

You can make the argument that guys like Andre Johnson, Roddy White, Greg Jennings, etc are better.

But you can also make the argument, like OTWP has made, that there is not a receiver that has done more with less at QB than Bowe.

There isn't a single position in all of sports that is so reliant on another position.

Bowe has elite talent.

He has crap that allows him to fully display that talent.

jspchief 07-18-2012 06:43 PM
Can't wait until Johnny Morton is our best WR and you guys are easing the pain by telling me "at least Clark didn't overspend on Bowe by 2m per year".

petegz28 07-18-2012 06:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toad King (Post 8751300)
This is an argument in favor of Bowe, you realize.

(you don't)
You quoted pass attempts between two teams. One with a upper echelon running game and one with dick for a running game.

milkman 07-18-2012 06:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8751310)
You quoted pass attempts between two teams. One with a upper echelon running game and one with dick for a running game.
The year the Saints won the SB, their running game was among the league's best.

But they passed the ball a ton.

jd1020 07-18-2012 06:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toad King (Post 8751287)
Roddy White got paid.

Bowe should get paid.

They are in the same tier.

Unless you think Roddy White is as good as Fitz and Megatron.
Six-year, $48 million contract. The deal contains $18.6 million guaranteed.

Thats Roddy's contract. He's likely to see every penny but that's a far cry from where Bowe is seemingly fishing.

petegz28 07-18-2012 06:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8751322)
The year the Saints won the SB, their running game was among the league's best.

But they passed the ball a ton.
Your point?

Hammock Parties 07-18-2012 06:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 8751309)
Can't wait until Johnny Morton is our best WR and you guys are easing the pain by telling me "at least Clark didn't overspend on Bowe by 2m per year".
We don't need elite WR, we just need a Deion Branch type for The Patriot Way to flourish.

BossChief 07-18-2012 06:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toad King (Post 8751287)
Roddy White got paid.

Bowe should get paid.

They are in the same tier.

Unless you think Roddy White is as good as Fitz and Megatron.
Here is Roddy Whites contract...

Signed a six-year, $48 million contract. The deal contains $18.6 million guaranteed, including a $6 million signing bonus, all of his 2009-2010 salaries, and a third-year option bonus of $5.3 million. Another $4 million is available through incentives. 2012: $5.5 million, 2013: $5.6 million, 2014: $5 million, 2015: Free Agent

Not sure what the **** you're talking about.

Hammock Parties 07-18-2012 06:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8751324)
Six-year, $48 million contract. The deal contains $18.6 million guaranteed.

Thats Roddy's contract. He's likely to see every penny but that's a far cry from where Bowe is seemingly fishing.
When White got paid:

Quote:
The extension makes him the 5th highest paid wide receiver in the league, behind Arizona's Larry Fitzgerald, Carolina's Steve Smith, Chicago's Brandon Marshall, and Houston's Andre Johnson.

milkman 07-18-2012 06:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8751325)
Your point?
That you figured wrong.

Hammock Parties 07-18-2012 06:49 PM
Again, I don't think Bowe should be paid like Fitz.

Should he be the 5th highest paid guy?

**** yes.

BossChief 07-18-2012 06:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toad King (Post 8751341)
Again, I don't think Bowe should be paid like Fitz.

Should he be the 5th highest paid guy?

**** yes.
Thats exactly what he is getting.

The average of the top 5 guys.
o:-)

Hammock Parties 07-18-2012 06:52 PM
AND:

The Chiefs should consider paying him a little bit more than that, because they NEED him more.

We overpaid for Cassel because we needed a QB.

petegz28 07-18-2012 06:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8751339)
That you figured wrong.
How do you figure, sports fan? Are you trying to say that typically teams with poor running games dont tend to throw the ball more?

Hammock Parties 07-18-2012 06:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8751359)
Are you trying to say that typically teams with poor running games dont tend to throw the ball more?
How many yards would Bowe have on one of those teams, genious?

Take a guess, and we'll tell you if it's accurate.

milkman 07-18-2012 06:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8751359)
How do you figure, sports fan? Are you trying to say that typically teams with poor running games dont tend to throw the ball more?
I'm saying that isn't necessarily the reason.

petegz28 07-18-2012 06:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toad King (Post 8751366)
How many yards would Bowe have on one of those teams, genious?

Take a guess, and we'll tell you if it's accurate.
Instead of fitz or with fitz? Alne probably similar, with probably less

petegz28 07-18-2012 07:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8751370)
I'm saying that isn't necessarily the reason.
Teams generally have a lot of pass attempts for few reasons...

1. They play from behind a lot
2. They have no running game to speak of
3. They are an offensive machine with an upper level qb

3. Being the rarest situation

milkman 07-18-2012 07:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8751374)
Instead of fitz or with fitz? Alne probably similar, with probably less
You do realize that Anquan Boldin was putting up 1000 yard to 1400 yard seasons playing alongside Fitz, right?

petegz28 07-18-2012 07:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8751383)
You do realize that Anquan Boldin was putting up 1000 yard to 1400 yard seasons playing alongside Fitz, right?
I do

jd1020 07-18-2012 07:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toad King (Post 8751366)
How many yards would Bowe have on one of those teams, genious?

Take a guess, and we'll tell you if it's accurate.
Here's my problem with copy pasting stats into different situations. Do you think Bowe is going to match Fitzgeralds production when teams are trying to take away the Cardinals 1 offensive weapon?

milkman 07-18-2012 07:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8751389)
I do
So, you think Bowe wouldn't put up similar numbers playing alongside Fitz?

Hammock Parties 07-18-2012 07:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8751397)
Here's my problem with copy pasting stats into different situations. Do you think Bowe is going to match Fitzgeralds production when teams are trying to take away the Cardinals 1 offensive weapon?
I don't know, man.

Do you think Bowe could put up 1200 yards and 15 TD if he was playing opposite Chris Chambers and a rookie tight end?

FYI: The Cardinals had a 1200 yard RB in 2007. And Boldin.

petegz28 07-18-2012 07:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8751398)
So, you think Bowe wouldn't put up similar numbers playing alongside Fitz?
Perhaps but again youre back to my point of an offense with no running game. The year the cards went to the show they were dead last in rushing. Thus my original point of when you have no running game, which we do have, you throw the ball more.

milkman 07-18-2012 07:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8751397)
Here's my problem with copy pasting stats into different situations. Do you think Bowe is going to match Fitzgeralds production when teams are trying to take away the Cardinals 1 offensive weapon?
And who have been the weapons that Bowe has been surrounded by in his career?

Hammock Parties 07-18-2012 07:07 PM
Fitz has NEVER been Arizona's lone offensive weapon.

He's played with Bryant Johnson, Edgerrin James, Anquan Boldin and Steve Breaston.

milkman 07-18-2012 07:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toad King (Post 8751408)
Fitz has NEVER been Arizona's lone offensive weapon.

He's played with Bryant Johnson, Edgerrin James, Anquan Boldin and Steve Breaston.
It just shows how little people know about the rest of the league.

BossChief 07-18-2012 07:08 PM
I think Bolden and Bowe are fairly similar players (at equal points in their respective careers)

I'd also say that I don't think the gap between Bowe and Vincent Jackson is as big as the gap between Bowe and Fitz/CJ.

Jmo

Hammock Parties 07-18-2012 07:11 PM
Bowe is better than Vincent Jackson. The gap between them is in Bowe's favor.

petegz28 07-18-2012 07:11 PM
Fact is pioli is going to wait and see how baldwin develops. He and bowe look to be similar. If he comes on this year bowe will be gone and they will look to get a speedster.

jd1020 07-18-2012 07:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toad King (Post 8751403)
I don't know, man.

Do you think Bowe could put up 1200 yards and 15 TD if he was playing opposite Chris Chambers and a rookie tight end?

FYI: The Cardinals had a 1200 yard RB in 2007. And Boldin.
Charles ran for 1400 yards and 6.4 ypc that year as well. Bowe was very good in 2010 but the Chiefs were run 1st with Charles blowing up record books.

Arizona throws and everyone knows that the offense runs through Fitzgerald. Last year he put up 1400 yard with 17.6 ypc. I just don't see Bowe doing that with being the center of attention.

BossChief 07-18-2012 07:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8751416)
It just shows how little people know about the rest of the league.
I'm not even sure why that clown decided to start posting again.

It's ****ed up that he gives a bad name to the other jd posters here on the planet due to misidentification.

Hammock Parties 07-18-2012 07:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8751433)
I just don't see Bowe doing that with being the center of attention.
Bowe was the center of attention on every pass attempt in 2010.

And he beasted.

petegz28 07-18-2012 07:13 PM
I dont think bowe has the same skill at getting open that fitz does. Or bolden for that matter.

milkman 07-18-2012 07:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8751418)
I think Bolden and Bowe are fairly similar players (at equal points in their respective careers)

I'd also say that I don't think the gap between Bowe and Vincent Jackson is as big as the gap between Bowe and Fitz/CJ.

Jmo
You put Boldin in a similar situation to Bowe, #1 receiver on a run based team, but with a better QB, and I bet he doesn't break 900 yards receiving.











Oh, wait, he's already there.

Hammock Parties 07-18-2012 07:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8751439)
I dont think bowe has the same skill at getting open that fitz does.
2010:

Bowe was targeted 125 times.

Fitz was targeted 168 times.

Bowe saw fewer passes coming his way, and had more yards and more TD.

Bowe is pretty ****ing good.

BossChief 07-18-2012 07:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8751433)
Charles ran for 1400 yards and 6.4 ypc that year as well. Bowe was very good in 2010 but the Chiefs were run 1st with Charles blowing up record books.

Arizona throws and everyone knows that the offense runs through Fitzgerald. Last year he put up 1400 yard with 17.6 ypc. I just don't see Bowe doing that with being the center of attention.
Charles
Moeaki
Baldwin

All of our other weapons got hurt and Bowe still had around 1200 yards with total crap throwing him the ball.

Hammock Parties 07-18-2012 07:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8751450)
Charles
Moeaki
Baldwin

All of our otter weapons got hurt and Bowe still had around 1200 yards with total crap throwing him the ball.
Yep, this is why he got a higher rating in 2011.

Production remained constant with Tyler Palko slinging 27% of the passes the Chiefs threw.

Pretty remarkable.

*insert GIF of Bowe's diving 26-yard catch against the Steelers*

Brock 07-18-2012 07:18 PM
Did we forget Fitzy plays in the NFC west? That's some kind of huge factor according to some around here.

jd1020 07-18-2012 07:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8751450)
Charles
Moeaki
Baldwin

All of our otter weapons got hurt and Bowe still had around 1200 yards with total crap throwing him the ball.
Ok?

What did Fitz have last year?

My point is I don't think Bowe can be put in the same situation as Fitzgerald and show the same results because I believe its easier to shut down Bowe than it is Fitzgerald. That's why Fitzgerald is elite and Bowe is a tier below.

petegz28 07-18-2012 07:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toad King (Post 8751449)
2010:

Bowe was targeted 125 times.

Fitz was targeted 168 times.

Bowe saw fewer passes coming his way, and had more yards and more TD.

Bowe is pretty ****ing good.
That has nothing to do with what i said. Bowe is better at yac i think but just getting open in general has been an issue for all of our wr's not just bowe... To be fair

petegz28 07-18-2012 07:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8751460)
Did we forget Fitzy plays in the NFC west? That's some kind of huge factor according to some around here.
Seems to be when it comes to cassel

Hammock Parties 07-18-2012 07:21 PM
We have a QB(s) who doesn't know when a receiver is open, FWIW.

Hammock Parties 07-18-2012 07:22 PM
And yeah, let's not forget that Bowe played against Champ Bailey, Nnamdi Asomugha, and Quentin Jammer twice a year for most of his career.

*looks at Stanford Routt and smiles*

BossChief 07-18-2012 07:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8751440)
You put Boldin in a similar situation to Bowe, #1 receiver on a run based team, but with a better QB, and I bet he doesn't break 900 yards receiving.










Oh, wait, he's already there.
15.6 ypr

petegz28 07-18-2012 07:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toad King (Post 8751474)
We have a QB(s) who doesn't know when a receiver is open, FWIW.
Gee bowe gets all these yards and yet cassel cant throw a pass.

Hammock Parties 07-18-2012 07:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8751489)
Gee bowe gets all these yards and yet cassel cant throw a pass.
*insert GIF or Bowe running wide open against the Ravens*

BigMeatballDave 07-18-2012 07:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8751489)
Gee bowe gets all these yards and yet cassel cant throw a pass.
Stop before you make a complete ass of yourself.

petegz28 07-18-2012 07:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toad King (Post 8751493)
*insert GIF or Bowe running wide open against the Ravens*
your point?

petegz28 07-18-2012 07:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8751500)
Stop before you make a complete ass of yourself.
I am just saying that Bowe gets all these yards and people are comparing him to the best in the league yet when it comes to the guy throwing him the ball we have the worst in the league. Seems to me it can't be both...most likley Cassel isn't quite as bad as some say.

Hammock Parties 07-18-2012 07:29 PM
Aw, Pete.

You're so precious sometimes.

Chiefnj2 07-18-2012 07:30 PM
All of this debate is useless at this point. He's as good as gone next year.

petegz28 07-18-2012 07:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toad King (Post 8751516)
Aw, Pete.

You're so precious sometimes.
Hey I am not saying Cassel is great or anything. I am just saying for Bowe to be beasting as you put it, someone has to be getting him the ball or he has no chance at those yards to begin with.

Hammock Parties 07-18-2012 07:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8751520)
Hey I am not saying Cassel is great or anything. I am just saying for Bowe to be beasting as you put it, someone has to be getting him the ball or he has no chance at those yards to begin with.
Cassel can't throw the ball down the ****ing field, you idiot.

He hinders Bowe. He doesn't help.

Any idiot can throw a 5-yard slant and watch Bowe take it 50 yards.

RealSNR 07-18-2012 07:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8751510)
I am just saying that Bowe gets all these yards and people are comparing him to the best in the league yet when it comes to the guy throwing him the ball we have the worst in the league. Seems to me it can't be both...most likley Cassel isn't quite as bad as some say.
Bowe has produced while catching shit from a SMORGASBORD of terrible QBs.

If you want to lick Cassel's nutsack, then pick another QB. Bowe did stuff with ALL of them.

Or are you ready to say, "Very likely Tyler Thigpen wasn't as bad of a QB as people around here think"

milkman 07-18-2012 07:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8751485)
15.6 ypr
People have a tendency to pick out an aberrational number to support an argument.

The fact remains, in a run first offense, he hasn't produced the same numbers as Bowe.

Hammock Parties 07-18-2012 07:32 PM
"Tyler Thigpen must be awesome, Tony Gonzalez is so productive."

BossChief 07-18-2012 07:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8751519)
All of this debate is useless at this point. He's as good as gone next year.
Haha

Is it unreasonable to ask Bowe to have more than 5 tds if he wants more than 100 million?

I'd be willing to bet that if Bowe has a good year, his pay will reflect it and he won't go anywhere.

Hammock Parties 07-18-2012 07:34 PM
"Larry Fitzgerald is so productive. He's lucky John Skelton is putting the ball in tight windows."

petegz28 07-18-2012 07:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toad King (Post 8751522)
Cassel can't throw the ball down the ****ing field, you idiot.

He hinders Bowe. He doesn't help.

Any idiot can throw a 5-yard slant and watch Bowe take it 50 yards.
So all of bowe's catches are 5 yard slants? Not what I saw in the Vikings game last year. Just sayin'

Hammock Parties 07-18-2012 07:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8751528)
Is it unreasonable to ask Bowe to have more than 5 tds if he wants more than 100 million?
Fitzgerald has 14 TD in 2 years.

Bowe has 20.

Hammock Parties 07-18-2012 07:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8751530)
So all of bowe's catches are 5 yard slants? Not what I saw in the Vikings game last year. Just sayin'
Cassel isn't special.

We could find a lot of guys to throw the shitty passes he serves up.

He deserves no credit for Bowe's success.

SAUTO 07-18-2012 07:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8751528)
Haha

Is it unreasonable to ask Bowe to have more than 5 tds if he wants more than 100 million?

I'd be willing to bet that if Bowe has a good year, his pay will reflect it and he won't go anywhere.
But if he hadn't have dropped two more tds, and if he wasn't a knee and instant replay from scoring another he would have had 8.


I'm for giving the guy a ton of money, but those reasons were ignorant
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jspchief 07-18-2012 07:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8751528)
Haha

Is it unreasonable to ask Bowe to have more than 5 tds if he wants more than 100 million?

I'd be willing to bet that if Bowe has a good year, his pay will reflect it and he won't go anywhere.
There's always the chance that this process has soured Bowe on staying in KC.

petegz28 07-18-2012 07:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SNR (Post 8751523)
Bowe has produced while catching shit from a SMORGASBORD of terrible QBs.

If you want to lick Cassel's nutsack, then pick another QB. Bowe did stuff with ALL of them.

Or are you ready to say, "Very likely Tyler Thigpen wasn't as bad of a QB as people around here think"
Bowe's best year was 2010. Who was the QB?

Hammock Parties 07-18-2012 07:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8751535)
Bowe's best year was 2010. Who was the QB?
Bowe's worst year was 2009. Who was the QB?

BossChief 07-18-2012 07:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8751524)
People have a tendency to pick out an aberrational number to support an argument.

The fact remains, in a run first offense, he hasn't produced the same numbers as Bowe.
Just pointing out that his effectiveness didn't change, but his production did.

On a 0-100 scale, I'd give them the following scores:

CJ 99
Fitz 97
Bowe 91
Boldin 88

The fact that Bowe hasn't had injuries or trouble with the law should give him more firepower in contract talks....that is if nothing has been "swept under the rug"

SAUTO 07-18-2012 07:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 8751534)
There's always the chance that this process has soured Bowe on staying in KC.
Doesn't matter. Franchise him again. He really has no choice.
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petegz28 07-18-2012 07:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toad King (Post 8751538)
Bowe's worst year was 2009. Who was the QB?
He only played 11 games that year you tool!

His worst 16 game season was 2008 I do believe.

Hammock Parties 07-18-2012 07:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8751543)
On a 0-100 scale, I'd give them the following scores:

CJ 99
Fitz 97
Bowe 91
Boldin 88
I agree completely with this.

Fitz is worth 50 guaranteed.

Bowe is worth 90 percent of that.

And there is no doubt in my mind Pioli isn't offering it.

Chiefnj2 07-18-2012 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8751528)

I'd be willing to bet that if Bowe has a good year, his pay will reflect it and he won't go anywhere.
Good one. I'm sure that's what Carr and Bowe were thinking in December.

This organization sucks balls. Bowe was THE only big dollar guy that the team decided to "try" to sign this year and they couldn't get it done. They certainly aren't going to do it next year when you have Bowe, Albert, Dorsey and whoever is needed to fill holes (most likely Colt McCoy, Tavaris Jackson or some other bad QB).

Hammock Parties 07-18-2012 07:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8751548)
He only played 11 games that year you tool!

His worst 16 game season was 2008 I do believe.
So?

If you can craft bullshit arguments, so can I.

Cassel has nothing to do with Bowe's success.

Nothing.

Hammock Parties 07-18-2012 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 8751547)
Doesn't matter. Franchise him again. He really has no choice.
Posted via Mobile Device
He is going to hold out and **** the team if they franchise him 2 years in a row.

A man can only eat so much shit.

SAUTO 07-18-2012 07:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toad King (Post 8751554)
He is going to hold out and **** the team if they franchise him 2 years in a row.

A man can only eat so much shit.
You are still an idiot.

9.5 million and then over 11 million is most definitely not "eating shit"
Posted via Mobile Device

jd1020 07-18-2012 07:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toad King (Post 8751554)
He is going to hold out and **** the team if they franchise him 2 years in a row.

A man can only eat so much shit.
And if he holds out do you really believe he's going to strike gold on a contract?

If he wants a pay day he's going to play.


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