So is this his agent? I'm confused?

Makes a ton of sense since he was equally victimized both seasons.

Good thing there wasnt PFF when we signed Priest Holmes, clay wouldve called him a piece of shit from baltimore

Now why does that matter?

Despite the fact it was quite good, we all know why, and what he is.

Do you have an opinion on Sean Smith other than "Chiefs signed him, he must be good!"

Because if not, shut the **** up.

but he'll post one from 2009

Look you think he sucks and have stats im ok man. Just bustin ur balls buddy. ROFL. Im not hateful. Im fine with these moves, theyre not expensive deals that will make us cap ****ed

LMAO

so a quite good PFF rating from Smith is MEANINGLESS

but a terrible one from 2011 on the other Smith means he's the worst player EVER

this is awesome

I would be curious to see Alex Smith's PFF rating from last year. I know I'll never see it but I'd be interested.

I don't know how CLAY'S BIBLE (PFF) could ever post a good QB rating for Alex Smith and it be rendered meaningless. Clay lives and dies with these rankings...but since he hates Alex Smith his PFF rating is meaningless.

What? lol lol lol

Alex Smith has a high PFF ranking because he doesn't even attempt to make difficult or risky throws.

Therefore, it's easy for him to rack up positive points on the throws he does make.

Here you go, dipshit.

Even in a "good season" he was below average. Yay!

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Oh. Got it. Thanks for clarifying.

PFF does account for sacks taken by a QB, no? I guess if he's SO BAD at taking SO MANY sacks...that would account for negatives to his PFF rating, no?

so I guess he's such an amazing thrower that his positives outweigh his huge negative I'm sure he has in that rating category from PFF

...man, we got a steal! Alex Smith is a top tier PRO FOOTBALL FOCUS QB. According to Clay, these are the only stats you can look at to determine the worth of a player.

Wow. We have a top 5 QB after all folks. Reid is a genious.

shit nevermind

those aren't good at all

LOL @ Peyton Manning

holy shit

Alex Smith is alteast 2nd best in our division hahaha Phylis Rivers

Hootie hoisted by his own petard.

Isnt he better than Flacco based off this?

Alex Smith > Joe Flacco!!!!

TO THE SHIP!!!!!!!!!!

I guess if you double those numbers since he only played 8 games he's right there with Matt Schaub. Sounds about right.

FTR

I've been beating the Joe Flacco is not that great drum all offseason.

He's grossly inconsistent.

I could HONESTLY see the Ravens missing the playoffs this year. Unless he starts playing like he did in the postseason every game...the dude flashes HOF talent and then the next game plays like Sanchez.

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Sean Smith game by game

Yep, as you can clearly see, Sean Smith had a couple good games and went right back to being a turd.

Flacco is great in the postseason. Thats what you want. Get you there and win it then. Peyton had a great regular season and flopped in the playoffs

and our QB's posted a -18 last year

Smith was on pace to post a +14

That's ridiculous. Could you imagine if we replaced our -18 with Manning's 50+?

Jesus.

So 6 bad games in a system he's not supposed to be playing in?

Good enough for me.

did Peyton flop? Or did Rahim Moore?

I seem to remember Peyton Manning throwing a go ahead TD late in the 4th quarter only for Rahim Moore to make the worst defensive play in the history of the NFL to allow a 70 yard punt throw on 3rd and forever to go for a TD.

so uh, you're a reerun

Yup, it was a loaded question. I do know what he ranked in 2011...We got a Top 8 QB folks!!!!!!

Curious how it compares to Cassel over the last several year 2010 in particular.

but 2011 is a way better indicator of the kind of player he is because he started 16 games both years so when that happens you always look at 2011 especially if the stats help prove your point better

didn't you know that?

Sean Smith was amazing in the Arizona game. Took Fitz to the woodshed. Also held AJ Green in check. But the Jets game isn't a very good measurable, since he got burned for 2 TD's that Sanchez overthrew his receiver on.

That makes no sense.

We shall see, was this year the year it finally clicked? No he shouldnt be talked about being a franchise QB, over payed maybe, but Balt couldnt let him walk.

What do you mean that makes no sense? Sean Smith got completely burned for 2 would be TD's that were overthrown by Sanchez.

IDK if PFF counted those as TD's or not, but if they didn't, then the Jets game isn't a very good measurable according to those stats to defend Sean.

Not imo.

He disappeared for like half of the regular season.

Better than Flacco ROFL

Only played half a season or he'd have been higher.

How does it make sense to discredit shitty defending because "Sanchez overthrew the ball on 2 TDs?"

Is Smith considered better than Flacco? Or do your PFF stats need more explanation?

LOL He wont answer

Started strong then what happened?

Flacco > Smith because of playoff performance, this isn't hard to understand.

Flacco had an up and down regular season, duh.

I'm not discrediting shitty defending. I'm saying I wouldn't look at that game as a good game for him, since he got burned on 2 would be TD's.

I'm saying that should go down as a bad game for him, but since Sanchez missed the 2 TD's that he got completely burned on, they gave him a good game.

I agree.But Baltimore didnt sign him before he won a championship, and couldnt exactly let him walk. He has time to prove it.

6 4th quarter comebacks/game winnig drives in 2011 for Alex. Hey, got to find something positive.

I don't think Smith has anywhere near the talent Flacco has...

but Smith is WAY more consistent...Flacco looks like Marino some games and then reverts to full Sanchez in other games.

Elite QB's show up every Sunday...Flacco shows up like 6 times a regular season and then puts on his magic playoff hat and has played really well the past two postseasons.

I just don't understand how a guy can look that good and not look that good every time. I don't trust him. MAYBE, MAYBE the Super Bowl gets him that 'swagger' and he develops into THE franchise guy this year...

but I have a feeling he'll be the same old Joe Flacco and with all of the defensive starters they are losing I have a feeling that may not be good enough to even get into the playoffs where he can slip on that magic playoff hat

It's easy to be consistent when you only make high percentage throws and your defense doesn't need more than 20 pts to chalk up a W.

So PFF stats for Sean Smith are absolute and Flacco's are a fluke? What are you trying to prove with the posting of stats?

You can't compare positions.

But, Alex was 18th in 2012, so I'd say they're pretty indicative of reality.

He'd have been close to Top 10 again if he played the full season :evil:

I don't see what the issue of having your QB throw high percentage throws but...ok ROFL

look if he's throwing 5 yard passes on 3rd and 10 then **** me...

but he went 19-5 the past two seasons...which tells me we can win if we build an elite team like San Fran

to me that isn't an ideal way to build a football team...you build around a QB...Alex Smith isn't a franchise QB who is going to post 40+ ratings on PFF...

I want one of those. Everyone wants one of those.

Can't fault Reid if he doesn't see that in Geno. It is what it is. I'm not a miserable ****ing whiny little girl so I'm not going to go full OTWP and cry about every single thing every single year. I'd rather enjoy my existence on this planet.

Curious what Cassel's fluke season of 2010 ranked.

I've ripped on the trade as much as anyone, but he's had some clutch drives in the 4th especially in 2011. You can't take those for granted in this league.

Rahim Moore made Joe Flacco a whole lot more money than Joe Flacco is worth. That was every bit the miracle (if not more) than the Titans 'Music City Miracle' that got them to a Super Bowl as well.

Rahim Moore picks that ball off (or at least knocks it down like any ****ing safety worth a shit does on a hail mary)...and Flacco is still thought of as an inconsistent fringe top 10-15 QB with upside.

Now he's paid more than anyone.

Ridiculous. The Ravens had to do it, too.

I'd be happy as hell if the Chiefs won the Super Bowl but if I were a Ravens fan I wouldn't really be looking forward to this next season...the cap hell they were in plus the Flacco contract means they are staring 8-8 right in the face IMHO

-2.5.

PFF knows what they're watching.

that's actually pretty ****ing cool

what was Alex Smith in 2011?

There's no issue with it.

When that's ALL he does, because he's AFRAID to throw it down the field...that's the issue.

He won games because of his defense. PERIOD.

**** you.

So, we upgraded a pretty good deal then at the position.

WRONG "SMITH" AGAIN WTF DORSEY @SAVEOURCHIEFS

I read on another site he was 8th.

Lol

That is pretty ****ing cool. I love PFF too.

Not according to pro football focus...he was Matt Shaub...nothing to be excited about but meh.

But you use the stats the same. Brad Johnson performed better than Dan Marino in the playoffs, doesnt make him better. Do you have the PFF stats for QB's from 2o11? Is there a pattern?

Alex Smith was 8th in 2011?

Go Chiefs.... also post Sean Smiths PFF numbers from 2o11 for comparison.

**** you.

LOL.

I already did. Dead. ****ing. Last.

I like this move, I actually like all of them except Alex Smith.
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Hahaha...PFF is clays gospel and Alex Smith was 8th in 2011...classic

6 4th Q comebacks/game winning drives. Clutch too :evil:

Hate the compensation. Outside of that, been a good offseason.

ROFL

6 4th qrt comebacks? 8th? hmm. where was Flacco that year? Since he wasnt as clutch in the playoffs.

But seriously. It's easy for QBs who just "avoid mistakes" and "make high percentage throws" to rack up a good PFF rating.

Their system doesn't penalize you for a checkdown.

You get penalized for stupid decisions, bad throws and turnovers.

Post the '11 graph so we can break it down.

We need the 2o11 stats to show us. thanks.

So Sean Smith is improving?

You're a cool guy, and I respond to requests from cool guys.

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I think a lot of fans hated him because he dropped so many ints. I have talked to many fins fans in person at the sports bar used to tend. A lot of them know their shit and said the guy was a player who they thought was consistently improving. Im just passing along what was said.