well, lol I don't think anyone here is confusing AS with Manning :)


Imo his playoff performance defines what he truly is -- a 50/50 QB during big games -- at best. But, his most recent playoff performances indicate he is better than he used to be. And, he went into the following (2012) season ascending, so there's that.

I see him as a guy who needs to improve his 50/50 to something closer to 75/25 and then we can talk about what he is after that.

If not, I am certain Dorsey is going to find himself a QB that can do something in the order of 75 % during big games. It is what all good FO guys find, whether it's FA (Young, etc) or the draft.

If not, bye bye Dorsey. But let's at least let the new staff play a pre season game and maybe even a regular game or three before we go all wendler on them.

There is another thing that is hardly brought up.

When people diss on Alex Smith, they fail to mention that John Dorsey, who knew Matt Flynn very well, also said that Alex Smith was the best option.

So you are talking about them passing on Matt Hasselbeck, Kevin Kolb, who was his best under Reid, Carson Palmer, who is very familiar with the West Coast offense, and Matt Flynn, and of all those options, who all could of been had for cheaper, they paid the biggest price for Alex Smith. They really like the guy. Foolish or not, is yet to be seen. Luckily, not too much longer to wait. 6 weeks till opening day.

Oh, so it was a tough opponent, so that's OK?

Pathetic.

If Alex Smith puts up 13 points with the Chiefs, we're going to lose 90 percent of the time.

And if you lost 100 lbs, you'd still be fat.

I'm not saying he is. I'm just saying that even nice guys can be dickheads.
The knock on Alex Smith is he isn't assertive enough. He's a guy the team respects, but he doesn't necessarily have a killer instinct.

And trust me, I'm one of the people that's ok with the Alex Smith trade as long as they end up with a franchise QB in the next 3 years, but unless something dramatic changes he should be viewed as a stopgap.

And if he ever left his mom's basement he would still be a loser.

I agree. I'm a bit worried about him running a lot as well.

I weigh 175 lbs bro.

Sorry, not fat.

Very lean, sexy and fit.

Bitches look at me like a stop sign.

And roll right pass you?

LMAO

He left off "in the projects"
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More cowbell.

I always looked at this franchise as a project that will require several steps in order to get back in main competition. In fact, back in 2007 when I felt CP needed to be gone, I knew then it would take at least two GM hires and perhaps 3 coaching staffs hired/fired before this team could actually become a competitive team again.

I think they are there. Mostly because I believe in the talent and they have matured on the field. But I respect Reid. He has had a great coaching career. He's like Marv Levy -- two of the best to have never won a SB.

We'll see.

This is a dangerous team.

There's absolutely nothing dangerous about having Alex Smith at QB.

With a not-dangerous QB.

Yep, the probability of Smith failing is high.

Matt Cassel rendered a large chunk of Jamaal Charles' career worthless.

Alex Smith can put the finishing touches on it!

Dangerous.

Knew who would respond to the bait

flowers likes to say "we want to be that team nobody wants to play"

I know there are a lot of Glenn Dorsey fans here, but I believe they got much better defensively just by letting him go and grabbing Devito.

As for the offense -- Jamaal is all about winning the race. the rest of the offense are just sidecars.

What is this phrase?

Bait?

There are dangerous players on this roster.

The problem?

Besides Houston, they are all on the back side of their careers. They'll be gone or role players by the time we have a dangerous QB.

Shit, I've been PGMenzed.

Good Lord Clay! Gus and Quinn were able to average 13.2 points per game. And that was with turning the ball over every other possession. You really are not expecting much are you?

All I'm saying is Alex can't get away with those kinds of games here. He's not going to win 13-8 here.

The guy won 8 games the last two seasons throwing for less than 190 yards.

That's not happening here.

I agree. We are not going to win many putting up 13 points. But damn! We didn't lead a game last year until the leaves had all fallen off of the trees, and averaged 13 a game. Chances are that is not going to happen again. Neither case.

I didn't say Alex was going to average 13 PPG.

But if he plays the way he did in SF, we are ****ed.

The #2 D isn't coming with him.

I understand what you are saying on this part. Hell, we barely put 3 points a game on the board by half time last season. I'm really expecting something closer to 13 a game at half this season.

But yes, any team in the NFL... not just the Chiefs... are going to be fortunate to win games when 13 is the number on the scoreboard at the final gun.

As I have told him countless times. No one thought the 2011 49ers defense, was going to be as good as it was. They had no reason to think that. They drafted a player in the first round NO ONE WANTED, nor expected in Aldon Smith, Jim Harbaugh was putting his faith in Alex Smith, and the defense was made up of other teams cast offs in Donte Whitner, and Carlos Rogers, and a another safety who had a horrible year in 2010.

They let Franklin go, who was a stud at nose tackle and deemed IRREPLACEABLE by Patrick Willis, replaced him with a career back up in Isaac Sopoga, they resigned Ray McDonald another career back up to a MONSTER contract, and had a second year unknown starting at the second middle line backer in Navarro Bowman. No one expected the 49ers d to be that good. Most 49ers fans figured with the way things we were going, we were tanking for Luck........

Clay doesn't know shit. Just what PFF tells him to think.

WHO GIVES A SHIT?

Your defense raped faces and Alex Smith won 2-3 games he shouldn't have because of it.

God you're obtuse.

That can probably be said about most QBs most seasons. It is a TEAM sport after all.

I DON'T CARE.

ALEX SMITH IS OUR QB

AND HE ISN'T BRINGING THAT DEFENSE WITH HIM

Im gonna regret this, because the answer is going to be some kind of reeruned mama's boy childish response.

How, do you know, with the examples I gave, that the Chiefs defense cant be what the 49ers defense was. I was told on THIS board, that the Chiefs may have the best set of linebackers in the league.

If you get improved D line play, which you most assuredly will, with the addition of DeVito, the second year for Poe, and if you can have anyone at the other end, who can just take up blockers, and your secondary cant be any worse than it was last year, and with an emphasis, on RUSHING the passer, that is going to help your secondary. Then you factor in, just what Alex Smith does, that your qbs last year DIDNT do, ie take care of the ball, how can you say that the Chiefs defense can not be top 5 in the league.

Ill wait. You have NOTHING to counter the facts I just presented. NONE.

37 turnovers by your qbs last year, screwed your defense. Debate that please.

That in no way is refutation of my point.

Oh, and again, who won the Chiefs Packers game in 2011? The Chiefs right? That's a game that the Packers should of won right? Every dog has their day. You really do make your self look foolish and ignorant.....

he doesn't have one. awesome avi by the way.

He has a crystal ball that his mommy bought from the dollar store. That's where he is getting his facts.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE GAME

I'M TALKING ABOUT AN ENTIRE CAREER OF SHIT SUCKING MONGOLOID PASSING FROM ALEX D. SMITH

COME ON

Thanks, just changed it earlier. It was time for a new representation of the "steel skull" persona. And I love me some Justified. :)

Clay has a shtick. He has to be as contrary as possible most of the time in order to draw attention to himself. He is very needy in the attention department. I typically ignore him so as not to further fuel the fire. But every so often when I'm bored, what the hell.....

The conservative coaching isn't coming with him either.

Like I said. You completely ignored what I said about the defense, and the comparisons, and the legit reasonings, and went a completely different direction. There was nothing shit about Alex Smith as a qb last year. Nothing. His numbers were fine. They played to the strengths of the team,

70 percent completion percentage, second highest YPC in the league, with only Kaepernick beating him in that category. He was on pace for about 26 tds, and 10 picks. There was nothing shitty about his numbers last year.

Stop being so dramatic.

Or, is it?

Wrong.

His YPC was near the bottom of the league.

Because he doesn't throw the ball down the field.

His YPA was high, but we all know that was a ****ing lie.

BECAUSE HE DOESN'T THROW THE BALL DOWN THE FIELD.

LIAR.

You really have too much time on your hands.

Seriously.

I get my kicks above the waistline, sunshine.

There will be plenty of "bork" I'm betting.

LMAO

80's shit-pop rep.

He could leave that defense in SF, I could give a f***. Bringing that coach with him? Now that would be something. I'd have no problem with Alex Smith if we got Harbaugh, cause be know Harbaugh would doing everything he could to find a replacement for Smith as soon as they got here. The problem is Andy Reid thanks Alex Smith is a Superbowl caliber quarterback, and this shit is going to cost us three more years before we go QB shopping again.

No, he's not, but he's getting a defense with four Pro Bowlers from the previous year on it along with a defensive line featuring two top ten first rounders in Poe and Jackson (okay, Poe was #11) with an upgrade with DeVito, the best linebacking corps in the AFC (and possibly the NFL if Nico Johnson is better sooner rather than later) and one of the best secondaries in the league.

In all honesty, there is no reason to believe that this defense can't be as good as the 49'ers from the past two seasons.

You're really letting this Alex Smith thing get to you C.E.

And, to be honest, the guy really is a pretty damn good fit for what Reid runs along with Charles and Bowe.

I really don't know why you're flipping out about this at this point.

This is more homeristic than anything that has been shat out about Alex D. Smith this offseason.

The defense will be no better than average.

Against this schedule?

Shit...

Top 5 in the AFC, top 10 in the NFL.

This team has no defensive line and a very shaky secondary.

Then why haven't we signed him to a contract extension?

Because Andy Reid only has two years to live.

Mongoloid means Asians, Pacific Islanders and Native Americans you raving moron. 1/3 of the human race are mongoloid, and you just ignorantly used them as an insult thinking it means "reeruned", dumbass.

I find that term very offensive, and I find you offensive too, you uneducated dunce.

You're an idiot. Why don't you give a real answer? Are you waiting on PFF to tell you what to say?

Because this franchise has not gone full reerun, yet...

Although the draft pick(s) was a particularly difficult pill to swallow.

I'm extrapolating but I don't think Reid would have paid that price if he didn't think Smith gave him a shot at a SB.

Hopefully he'll have to win a playoff game in order to get an extension. That's fair.

LMAO
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Outside of Flowers and Berry, who are our Secondary Superstars again?

I don't consider DeVito an upgrade. Lateral move, yes.

I'd take Pitts, NEs, and Texans LBs over ours (I'm also including Nikovich as a 3-4 OLB). I'm also using the imaginary premise that they're all healthy.

Then they don't think he is a SB caliber QB and maybe, just maybe they think he is the best available at this time. It is not exactly like franchise QBs hit the market all the time and it was clear that the QB class in this last draft was anything but special. So I guess we can just get off the ledge and wait and see what happens.

The Muslim guy has potential, but ****a? Meh.

Speculation until proven otherwise.

You could use the statement : "It was clear that nearly every team didn't think there was a QB worth drafting in the first round" but to say that the QB class was anything but special is an opinion and shouldn't be stated until they have a chance to play.

Give them a chance before you make your opinions, okay?

You would take Hightower, Mayo, Ninkovich and Spikes over Hali, Houston, DJ and whoever starts in Belchers spot? I could see the reasoning behind this only because of the question mark at ILB.

According to all reports, the biggest difference between DeVito and Dorsey is leadership. Supposedly (and I can only go on what I've been told and read), DeVito is a very vocal leader in the lockerroom, especially amongst the defensive lineman.

If true, he could prove to be more valuable, especially in crunch time, than Glenn Dorsey.

Again, I really could care less about one draft, or one player. I just think this mediocre, me too bullshit that is Chiefs football that keeps perpetuating itself needs to stop. The last time I was really excited about a Chiefs season was in the Vermeil days when I felt like the team was trying to innovate and do things that were special. I'm not on a ledge, I'm fully prepared for a very sub-par year, even to Chief standards, and can't wait for us to draft another d-lineman with what is sure to be a top 10 pick. Not even thinking about QB because we have, gasps, Alex F'n Smith y'all...

Second rounders aren't the franchise saving picks that a lot of people around here are making them out to be.

And for those guys wanting a QB in the draft, they actually did sign Bray as a UDFA - a guy who a lot of guys here would have happily have pulled the trigger on in that second round.

A second round pick on an unproven college player, or a second round pick on a quarterback who was top three in the NFL in QB rating, completion percentage and YPA who is also six months younger than Aaron Rogers? A guy that graduated from college in two years with a degree in economics (3.74 gpa) along with a 4.7 40 and a 32" vertical?

I'll take door #2 Bob.

Fair enough.

That's fair. I haven't read anything about that, nor have I looked, so I'm fairly ignorant to it sans a few radio interviews he did when first signed. I'm mainly comparing their ability to pass rush effectively, which seems right now to be quite similar. It's quite possible my opinion could change before the start of the season after TC and I get the chance to break down some film from last year.

I think this DL is gonna surprise.

If Sean Smith can step his game up and the front 7 can get a little more pressure, this secondary can start to impress.

Damn you are the Eeyore of this board. Cheer up. Its a new season and anything can happen.

NO NO NO NO NO Mayock didn't "bang his own asshole" for these guys!

It's probably "Wishful thinking" but I'd like to think that if DeVito tells his mates late in a game, when they're all tired and worn out, to "Nut Up" or something to that affect, will actually make a difference.

You know as well as I do that it's a team sport and sometimes, guys need other guys to lead and other guys to follow. There's only so much a coach can say in critical moments.

I'm kinda' stoked about Kill Whitey. He could end up being my favorite player this year.

Primarily due to age. I think that the difference between Mayo and DJ is probably negligible and Mayo is younger. Hightower is more versatile and can play both OLB and ILB. Spikes is a solid ILB who can (but probably is best replaced, although he lost weight recently) play all 3 downs. Niko is probably comparable at this point in Houston's career to him in productivity without the upside.

You also left off Buchannon and Collins, who are going to see quite a few snaps this year. The Pats, while not having the notoriety at OLB that the Chiefs do in Tamba/Houston, have a few players that can probably match production as a whole and provide more stable depth.

I'm still going to remain skeptical but it'd be awesome if that is what transpires.

Would have been nice to have DeVito grooming/teaching Richardson as his heir if what you said about his leadership manifests. We'd have our own little Justin Smith.


****, I really want a pass-rushing, aggressive, mean 3-tech for Christmas. LMAO

I still worry about our safeties.

In the 3 games I've watched of the Jets last year in the past 4 months, you see a lot of 3 safety sub alignments. Relying on Lewis, Sanders, and a guy who was out of football for 2 years doesn't thrill me.

Safety and the inside linebacking position are both major concerns of mine.

Funnily enough, I think I'm less concerned with the defensive line than most because I feel we have a decent amount of guys to platoon. And there's a possibility that Poe could (and please let me emphasize, could) enter Beast Mode this season.

I only watched the first half of the Bama game and OT for the Stanford game but I do remember either you or Pestilence talking about this fellow.

Sounds about right, although i don't think Niko has the same ability or athleticism that Houston possesses.