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l4z4rd 01-09-2014 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10358121)
This Urban Meyer quote is getting a ton of play it doesn't deserve, IMO.

Smith's second season in Harbaugh's system?

His YPC, YPG and INT% were all worse than in 2011.

2011
196.5 YPG
7.07 YPA
completion % 61.3%
17 TDs in 16 games
Rating 90.7

2012
203.6 YPG (8.5 games started. Suffered concussion mid 2nd quarter of Rams game)
7.97 YPA
Completion % 70.2%
13 TDs in 8.5 games
Rating 104.1

OnTheWarpath15 01-09-2014 04:26 PM

And on cue, here come the Niner trolls, out of the walls like cockroaches.

Jakemall 01-09-2014 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10358135)
Well, that doesn't mean he was playing worse. He wasn't in fact.

He was playing better than he ever had. He had complete control of the offense. It just so happened that they also were leading the league in Rushing while Alex Smith was the qb.

His numbers were screwed over by three games that season.

The Jets game, he did not play well, the Minny game, did not play well, and the NYG game he didn't play well.

The jets game they were already dominating with the run. The NYG game he was playing with an injured throwing hand (people argue how much this impacted him) and he layed an absolute egg vs the Vikes. He looked mediocre against the saints..but got the win.

Jakemall 01-09-2014 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10358152)
And on cue, here come the Niner trolls, out of the walls like cockroaches.

Been posting here all day...so I know you're not talking about me.

saphojunkie 01-09-2014 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10358121)
This Urban Meyer quote is getting a ton of play it doesn't deserve, IMO.

Smith's second season in Harbaugh's system?

His YPC, YPG and INT% were all worse than in 2011.

I think you just got owned.

O.city 01-09-2014 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10358102)
We're in trouble money wise now, AFAIC.

They're going to have to dump a ****ton of salary just to get Houston locked up, which is Priority 1.

We are, but I'll wait a bit to see how it gets worked out.

O.city 01-09-2014 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10358121)
This Urban Meyer quote is getting a ton of play it doesn't deserve, IMO.

Smith's second season in Harbaugh's system?

His YPC, YPG and INT% were all worse than in 2011.

I'd say it's pretty obvious he improved in this offense as he got more comfortable with it. I don't see any reason that won't continue

TeamDel 01-09-2014 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 10358082)
Can we please stop this Bullcrap about Alex not running down the play clock

Agreed. Also, not sure why people keep mentioning players running out of bounds. Correct me if I am wrong, but the clock only stops on out of bounds plays after the two minute warning in the first half and within five minutes at the end of the game. Am I wrong?

mschiefs1984 01-09-2014 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TeamDel (Post 10358172)
Agreed. Also, not sure why people keep mentioning players running out of bounds. Correct me if I am wrong, but the clock only stops on out of bounds plays after the two minute warning in the first half and within five minutes at the end of the game. Am I wrong?

It stops for a few seconds anytime a player goes out of bounds. Until they get the ball ready for play again

OnTheWarpath15 01-09-2014 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 10358159)
I think you just got owned.

Just going by what Pro Football Reference has listed:

http://i42.tinypic.com/2ymt5z9.png

Jakemall 01-09-2014 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10358121)
This Urban Meyer quote is getting a ton of play it doesn't deserve, IMO.

Smith's second season in Harbaugh's system?

His YPC, YPG and INT% were all worse than in 2011.

How does YPC influence wins in comparison to a state like oh... ypa?

What does YPG as a passer mean when you have one of the better rushing teams in the NFL with the best D in the NFL?

INT% You're right...he did have more picks...almost twice as many. Yet his YPA comp% and QBR and QBR all skyrocketed.

You're reaching or trolling...not sure which.

Mav 01-09-2014 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10358152)
And on cue, here come the Niner trolls, out of the walls like cockroaches.

Yeah. I mean, of course, if people who ACTUALLY watched him, try to explain something where all you did, was use stats, and its inaccurate. All of a sudden, we become TROLLS.

Boo ****ing hooooooo.

OnTheWarpath15 01-09-2014 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jakemall (Post 10358183)
How does YPC influence wins in comparison to a state like oh... ypa?

What does YPG as a passer mean when you have one of the better rushing teams in the NFL with the best D in the NFL?

INT% You're right...he did have more picks...almost twice as many. Yet his YPA comp% and QBR and QBR all skyrocketed.

You're reaching or trolling...not sure which.

I'm doing neither. Just pointing out the stats.

If you want to claim that his 2012 performance is "good", by all means, do so. You're just showing your bias.

It's average at best, and anyone who watches professional football realizes that. It looks better than it actually is because he was so ****ing shitty his first 5 years.

To look at those numbers and state he's absolutely going to get better, just because Urban Meyer says so?

Mind-numbingly stupid.

l4z4rd 01-09-2014 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10358179)
Just going by what Pro Football Reference has listed:

http://i42.tinypic.com/2ymt5z9.png

Week 10 (against the Rams) he was knocked out halfway through the 2nd quarter with a concussion.

Week 17, Harbaugh had pity on Smith and let him play one snap which he completed a 7 yd pass.

So although it says he played 10 games, he technically only played 8.5, which changes most of his stats.

OnTheWarpath15 01-09-2014 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10358197)
Yeah. I mean, of course, if people who ACTUALLY watched him, try to explain something where all you did, was use stats, and its inaccurate. All of a sudden, we become TROLLS.

Boo ****ing hooooooo.

Funny, I watched him all this year, and some of you want to claim he had this great season - when in fact, he had a great playoff game, a handful of solid games, and 8-9 average to below average games.

So yeah, forgive me for deeming unimportant the opinion of a few folks who scattered here over the year to pimp their favorite player.

Marcellus 01-09-2014 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10358179)
Just going by what Pro Football Reference has listed:

http://i42.tinypic.com/2ymt5z9.png

His QBR went up 25 points.

You are one of the guys who have said take shots and live with a few more INT's. His TD% went from 3.8% to 6%.

Fact is he was playing better in 2012 than in 2011. Its really indisputable.

Marcellus 01-09-2014 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10358201)
I'm doing neither. Just pointing out the stats.

If you want to claim that his 2012 performance is "good", by all means, do so. You're just showing your bias.

It's average at best, and anyone who watches professional football realizes that. It looks better than it actually is because he was so ****ing shitty his first 5 years.

To look at those numbers and state he's absolutely going to get better, just because Urban Meyer says so?

Mind-numbingly stupid.

What?

Hammock Parties 01-09-2014 04:51 PM

Alex wasn't taking more shots in 2012, though. His YPC was still low and he wasn't throwing the ball down the field.

He was throwing more TDs, though, so that's an improvement.

OnTheWarpath15 01-09-2014 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by l4z4rd (Post 10358206)
Week 10 (against the Rams) he was knocked out halfway through the 2nd quarter with a concussion.

Week 17, Harbaugh had pity on Smith and let him play one snap which he completed a 7 yd pass.

So although it says he played 10 games, he technically only played 8.5, which changes most of his stats.

Forgive me for not going back and watching the game film to make sure he didn't miss a series here or there with a bruised vagina.

That would change his stats as well.

Parker was right - it makes no difference what someone says about your Golden Boy - it's never good enough, or there's always some excuse.

I've spent the last two days saying that I'd be OK with extending him around 5/75 as long as it was front loaded and didn't hurt our chances financially to fill holes.

But poke holes in a ridiculous Urban Meyer quote, and holy shit - the Batsignal is illuminated and y'all come running to defend your boy.

It's comical, yet sad.

Mav 01-09-2014 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10358209)
Funny, I watched him all this year, and some of you want to claim he had this great season - when in fact, he had a great playoff game, a handful of solid games, and 8-9 average to below average games.

So yeah, forgive me for deeming unimportant the opinion of a few folks who scattered here over the year to pimp their favorite player.

You would have a point. If I had claimed that Alex Smith could do no wrong.

I was one of the first to CRUSH him when he played poorly. Like I said. So you can keep moving your goal posts, you used stats. You were shot down easily, and quickly, all of a sudden those who have watched him for years, are trolls.

That's your defense. What the Trolls have been telling you, is that he has been getting better each season. You didn't want to accept it.

This isn't that big of a deal in all honesty.

Its just cute. The goal post moves like the wind where you guys are concerned.

Mav 01-09-2014 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10358215)
Forgive me for not going back and watching the game film to make sure he didn't miss a series here or there with a bruised vagina.

That would change his stats as well.

Parker was right - it makes no difference what someone says about your Golden Boy - it's never good enough, or there's always some excuse.

I've spent the last two days saying that I'd be OK with extending him around 5/75 as long as it was front loaded and didn't hurt our chances financially to fill holes.

But poke holes in a ridiculous Urban Meyer quote, and holy shit - the Batsignal is illuminated and y'all come running to defend your boy.

It's comical, yet sad.

So, because the yardage was down, even though the attempts per game were down, the 49ers led the league in rushing, the completion percentage, the rating were all not just higher, but completely higher.

Shrugs. Im not sure that saying because his yardage was lower, he played worse.

There were other factors.

OnTheWarpath15 01-09-2014 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10358211)
His QBR went up 25 points.

You are one of the guys who have said take shots and live with a few more INT's. His TD% went from 3.8% to 6%.

Fact is he was playing better in 2012 than in 2011. Its really indisputable.

By the letter, sure he played "better." Fine. You got me.

But is "better" good enough?

If you knew he was going "improve" at that rate next year, (fewer YPG, YPC and more INT's) would you give him the $18M a season it's reported he could get?

OnTheWarpath15 01-09-2014 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10358218)
You would have a point. If I had claimed that Alex Smith could do no wrong.

I was one of the first to CRUSH him when he played poorly. Like I said. So you can keep moving your goal posts, you used stats. You were shot down easily, and quickly, all of a sudden those who have watched him for years, are trolls.

That's your defense. What the Trolls have been telling you, is that he has been getting better each season. You didn't want to accept it.

This isn't that big of a deal in all honesty.

Its just cute. The goal post moves like the wind where you guys are concerned.

All of a sudden?

You and your buddies have been trolling from the moment you were ran off your Niner boards and signed up here.

Apparently you forgot about the "reception" you earned here due to the way you presented yourself.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=275294

That doesn't happen unless you stroll in here like you own the ****ing place.

Jakemall 01-09-2014 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10358229)
By the letter, sure he played "better." Fine. You got me.

But is "better" good enough?

If you knew he was going "improve" at that rate next year, (fewer YPG, YPC and more INT's) would you give him the $18M a season it's reported he could get?

If that comes with a 25 rating increase that'll put him at 115 for the year. I'm pretty sure that doesn't suck. In fact, only 4 QBs in history have done it. Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers and Nick Foles. That's reasonably good company.

If he does that, his contract will be considered the steal of the decade.

I don't anticipate that happening.

OnTheWarpath15 01-09-2014 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jakemall (Post 10358238)
If that comes with a 25 rating increase that'll put him at 115 for the year. I'm pretty sure that doesn't suck. In fact, only 4 QBs in history have done it. Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers and Nick Foles. That's reasonably good company.

If he does that, his contract will be considered the steal of the decade.

I don't anticipate that happening.

Impossible to take someone seriously when they use QB rating as a barometer of performance.

14-18 for 90 yards, 2 TD's, 0 INT's

124.5 rating.

Lost the game by 20 points.

Great day, eh?

TripleThreat 01-09-2014 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10358201)
I'm doing neither. Just pointing out the stats.

If you want to claim that his 2012 performance is "good", by all means, do so. You're just showing your bias.

It's average at best, and anyone who watches professional football realizes that. It looks better than it actually is because he was so ****ing shitty his first 5 years.

To look at those numbers and state he's absolutely going to get better, just because Urban Meyer says so?

Mind-numbingly stupid.


Ok, you want to get rid of alex? Lets look at some things... What teams are wanting to find a franchise QB in the NFL? Ill be generous on my selections..

Minnesota
Cleveland
Houston
Jacksonville
Tennesse
Tampa bay
Oakland
St. louis Rams

The above teams are teams that have made it clear they want a QB.. This list doesnt even add in the teams where the QB's are perhaps on there way out or on a hott seat.

Dallas
Cincinatti
Washington
New York Jets
Pittsburgh Steelers

Thats 13 teams in the NFL that are either looking for a QB or there QB is being scrutinized and on the hot seat much like where u are trying to put alex. So lets throw alex away and let one of these teams pick him up.. Now we are in the hunt with all of these other teams in search of a franchise QB, And you want to do this after Alex and company just led us to a 11-6 season after finishing LAST PLACE in the league last year and a playoff appearance... Not to mention alex shined more than any QB in the playoffs last week?? Not many teams have ever accomplished what we did this year in history, and its seeming to me that you do not know that, or just decide to ignore it.

Or try to Say alex cant get it done in the playoffs? Hes played in only 3 playoffs games, 1-2 record 900 yards 9 TD's 0 Int's.. The dude is clutch.. The reason he didnt put up big #'s in SF is obvious... look at the "STATS" you talk so much about, he was in the bottom 5 of passes attempted.. How do u expect alex to throw for 5,000 yards like drew brees when hes throwing 200 less passes a season? (Drew brees threw over 630 passes in 11 or 12 forget which, and alex threw what was it... 440?? Get over yourself.

mind numbingly stupid . ROFL

O.city 01-09-2014 05:18 PM

Clutch.

What a dumb thought process.

OnTheWarpath15 01-09-2014 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TripleThreat (Post 10358257)
Ok, you want to get rid of alex?

I'm not even going to bother reading the rest of your post, because you obviously haven't read ANY of mine.

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10355922)
And that's the million dollar question - can he do it consistently? So far, he's only shown it in spurts.

Someone else we know threw for 27/7 once.

Personally, as long as his deal doesn't restrict us from legitimately filling holes, or doesn't marry us to him for more than 2-3 years - I don't care what they give him.

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10355962)
That's exactly what I'm hoping for, I'm just not sure how they can do it and fill the holes they have. We're up against the cap.

I suggested 5/75 the other day as long as we can get out of it cheaply after the 2nd or 3rd year if necessary.


Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10358058)
Let me preface this by saying I'd be OK with giving him something around 5/75 provided it allows us to get away from him in 2 years if necessary, and it doesn't restrict us from filling all the holes we have.

With that said - I would have liked to have seen his level of play from the Indy game be the rule, not the exception before locking him up long term.

On Saturday, he showed he can perform at that level - I'm wondering why he hasn't shown he can do it consistently.

Reading is fundamental.

TripleThreat 01-09-2014 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10358260)
I'm not even going to bother reading the rest of your post, because you obviously haven't read ANY of mine.








Reading is fundamental.

Im reading what your implying.. dont imply and you wont be accused.

OnTheWarpath15 01-09-2014 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TripleThreat (Post 10358261)
Im reading what your implying.. dont imply and you wont be accused.

Are you full-blown reeruned, or just borderline reeruned?

I'm not implying anything. I pointed out how ridiculous I think it is to give that Urban Meyer quote any weight, and your dumb ass turned that into not wanting your gloryhole partner - even though I've said on THREE occasions in THIS THREAD ALONE that's I'd give him 5/75 under certain circumstances.

It's not my fault you either can't read, or choose not to - and can't distinguish between two completely different arguments.

Try rubbing the three brain cells you have together before posting to avoid this happening again.

TheUte 01-09-2014 05:43 PM

So what grade does Axel get for saturday and the season?

cdcox 01-09-2014 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jakemall (Post 10358073)
Cheaper to franchise someone else..you do not want the $ associated with that designation on a QB. You also don't want to use the non-exclusive tag because a team with more money and a worse QB will come and snag him.

And yes, I think there are teams out there that would pay 2 1st round picks for Alex now.

ROFL:homer: :shake:

OnTheWarpath15 01-09-2014 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheUte (Post 10358280)
So what grade does Axel get for saturday and the season?

I'd give him an A- for Saturday. The fumble and clock management hurts him, but he played extremely well otherwise.

Rest of season? Hard to decide between a C+ and a B-.

Can't ignore the first nine games where he played average at best, and was carried by a historic defensive and special teams performance.

I'm gonna go with B-.

He showed he's capable of being an A-/B+ type of QB, but he's got to do it more than once or twice a year.

007 01-09-2014 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheUte (Post 10357524)
What total and complete BULLSHIT, every play counts every time.

If Alex had thrown one INT you would have been the first one " See see he sucks ".

At least have a little integrity, the Defense sucked balls, complete failure on their part there is no debate.

Teams win and Teams lose, it takes every player.

That is the point they are trying to make.

ShowtimeSBMVP 01-09-2014 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10358293)
I'd give him an A- for Saturday. The fumble and clock management hurts him, but he played extremely well otherwise.

Rest of season? Hard to decide between a C+ and a B-.

Can't ignore the first nine games where he played average at best, and was carried by a historic defensive and special teams performance.

I'm gonna go with B-.

He showed he's capable of being an A-/B+ type of QB, but he's got to do it more than once or twice a year.

Can we please stop this Bullcrap about Alex not running down the play clock

After we went up 38-10

Drive one

Play 1 Run
Play 2 Run
Play 3 Pass incomplete

3 plays, 5 yards, 1:34 elapsed. So play 1 and 2 Alex used the whole 40 sec play clock


Drive 2

Play 1 Pass for 4 yards
Play 2 Run no gain
Play 3 Pass incomplete

FG

4 plays, 4 yards, 1:32 elapsed. So play 1 and 2 Alex used the whole 40 sec play clock


Drive 3

Play 1 Pass to Bowe
Play 2 Pass to Dvis
Play 3 Alex Run First down
Play 4 Pass incomplete PENALTY on IND-J.Gordy First down
Play 5 Run
Play 6 Pass incomplete
Play 7 Pass incomplete

Punt

6 plays, 40 yards, 2:44 elapsed All the Plays the clock could move Alex used the whole play clock


Drive 4

Play 1 Pass to Hemingway First Down
Play 2 Run ( Davis hurt clock stopped)
Play 3 Pass incomplete
Play 4 Pass to Bowe First down
Play 5 Run
Play 6 Pass to Fasano Then KC used a Timeout
Play 7 Pass to Jenkins First down Then KC used a Timeout
Play 8 Pass to Dex
Play 9 Pass to Sherman
play 10 Pass to Dex some reason he went ob
Play 11 FG


11 plays, 58 yards, 5:02 elapsed Alex used the whole play clock




Drive 5 Was the Last drive


I know you Alex haters make up facts but he used the whole 40 sec clock. So can we end that dumb shit?

007 01-09-2014 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10357541)
There's your problem. You're looking for one area to blame.

ALL areas are to blame. They ALL made mistakes that played a role in losing a 28 point 3rd quarter lead.

This was my point early on in this thread but nobody wanted to hear it so I stopped wasting my time.

007 01-09-2014 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10357551)
And this is why people get pissy at the AS "defenders".

Blaming the blocking on that play?

I don't care if all 5 OLmen blew their block, Alex has to protect the ball.


Personally, I can live with the fumble and the throw to Gray.

It's the mistake of repeatedly calling for the snap with 10-15 seconds on the play clock in the 2nd half when you're trying to protect a lead that kills me. It's bad football from a guy that is praised for his smarts.

I remember all the Eagles fans coming here and warning us that Andy did shit like this. I was really hoping they were wrong.

BigCatDaddy 01-09-2014 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10358293)
I'd give him an A- for Saturday. The fumble and clock management hurts him, but he played extremely well otherwise.

Rest of season? Hard to decide between a C+ and a B-.

Can't ignore the first nine games where he played average at best, and was carried by a historic defensive and special teams performance.

I'm gonna go with B-.

He showed he's capable of being an A-/B+ type of QB, but he's got to do it more than once or twice a year.

That's about where I am on the season. He had an A+ first half on Saturday, but C in the 2nd half. I can't give better than a B as a whole for that game when you score 6 points on 6 possessions while the other team is storming back.

BigCatDaddy 01-09-2014 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 10358307)
This was my point early on in this thread but nobody wanted to hear it so I stopped wasting my time.

Every coach has his worts. If BB became Chiefs coach next year Pats fans would be here bitching about something he wasn't good at.

007 01-09-2014 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10357715)
Holy ****, you're reeruned.

I'm the ONLY person in this thread that isn't blaming a single player or position group.

Dipshit.

No, you are not alone.

TripleThreat 01-09-2014 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10358270)
Are you full-blown reeruned, or just borderline reeruned?

I'm not implying anything. I pointed out how ridiculous I think it is to give that Urban Meyer quote any weight, and your dumb ass turned that into not wanting your gloryhole partner - even though I've said on THREE occasions in THIS THREAD ALONE that's I'd give him 5/75 under certain circumstances.

It's not my fault you either can't read, or choose not to - and can't distinguish between two completely different arguments.

Try rubbing the three brain cells you have together before posting to avoid this happening again.

I dont know whats more reeruned... you not understanding what your implying? Or u thinking your not implying it.

BigMeatballDave 01-09-2014 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TripleThreat (Post 10358316)
I dont know whats more reeruned... you not understanding what your implying? Or u thinking your not implying it.

Irony

Hammock Parties 01-09-2014 06:18 PM

All this bickering is pointless.

If Joe Flacco can win a Super Bowl, so can Alex.

Just get comfortable because he's going to be here.

Red Dawg 01-09-2014 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10358322)
All this bickering is pointless.

If Joe Flacco can win a Super Bowl, so can Alex.

Just get comfortable because he's going to be here.

THAT'S THE STRAIGHT DOPE BITCHES!

OnTheWarpath15 01-09-2014 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 10358305)
Can we please stop this Bullcrap about Alex not running down the play clock

After we went up 38-10

Drive one

Play 1 Run
Play 2 Run
Play 3 Pass incomplete

3 plays, 5 yards, 1:34 elapsed. So play 1 and 2 Alex used the whole 40 sec play clock


Drive 2

Play 1 Pass for 4 yards
Play 2 Run no gain
Play 3 Pass incomplete

FG

4 plays, 4 yards, 1:32 elapsed. So play 1 and 2 Alex used the whole 40 sec play clock


Drive 3

Play 1 Pass to Bowe
Play 2 Pass to Dvis
Play 3 Alex Run First down
Play 4 Pass incomplete PENALTY on IND-J.Gordy First down
Play 5 Run
Play 6 Pass incomplete
Play 7 Pass incomplete

Punt

6 plays, 40 yards, 2:44 elapsed All the Plays the clock could move Alex used the whole play clock


Drive 4

Play 1 Pass to Hemingway First Down
Play 2 Run ( Davis hurt clock stopped)
Play 3 Pass incomplete
Play 4 Pass to Bowe First down
Play 5 Run
Play 6 Pass to Fasano Then KC used a Timeout
Play 7 Pass to Jenkins First down Then KC used a Timeout
Play 8 Pass to Dex
Play 9 Pass to Sherman
play 10 Pass to Dex some reason he went ob
Play 11 FG


11 plays, 58 yards, 5:02 elapsed Alex used the whole play clock




Drive 5 Was the Last drive


I know you Alex haters make up facts but he used the whole 40 sec clock. So can we end that dumb shit?

I'm not going to "end this dumb shit" because:

a.) I was AT the game. I saw it with my own eyes.

b.) I'm re-watching the broadcast right now, and your "drives" are completely wrong - you're missing the Alex fumble, for starters. The first drive after 38-10 was a 5 play drive and ended with the Smith fumble.

c.) Not ONCE in the 3rd quarter - after 38-17 - does the play clock pop up on the screen, which happens when it gets to 5.

Not going to trust someone that can't cut/paste over my own eyes, the drive chart and the broadcast.

OnTheWarpath15 01-09-2014 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TripleThreat (Post 10358316)
I dont know whats more reeruned... you not understanding what your implying? Or u thinking your not implying it.

Case closed, You're Honor.*

*should be obvious

OnTheWarpath15 01-09-2014 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10358322)
All this bickering is pointless.

If Joe Flacco can win a Super Bowl, so can Alex.

Just get comfortable because he's going to be here.

Truth.

New World Order 01-09-2014 06:27 PM

I support extending Alex, but we didn't win a game this year when the defense faltered.

ThaVirus 01-09-2014 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheUte (Post 10358280)
So what grade does Axel get for saturday and the season?

I'd probably give him an A- for the playoff game and a C on the season.

It's tough to grade that playoff game given the fact that he'd deserve an A+ for the first 32 minutes and somewhere around a C+ for the rest of the game, which, incidentally, would have been the most important..

ShowtimeSBMVP 01-09-2014 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10358328)
I'm not going to "end this dumb shit" because:

a.) I was AT the game. I saw it with my own eyes.

b.) I'm re-watching the broadcast right now, and your "drives" are completely wrong - you're missing the Alex fumble, for starters. The first drive after 38-10 was a 5 play drive and ended with the Smith fumble.

c.) Not ONCE in the 3rd quarter - after 38-17 - does the play clock pop up on the screen, which happens when it gets to 5.

Not going to trust someone that can't cut/paste over my own eyes, the drive chart and the broadcast.

After we went up 38-10

Drive one

Play 1 Run
Play 2 Run
Play 3 Pass incomplete

3 plays, 5 yards, 1:34 elapsed. So play 1 and 2 Alex used the whole 40 sec play clock

Drive 2

Play 1 sack
play 2 Pass to Hemingway first down
play 3 Pass to Davis first down
Play 4 Run
Play 5 fumble

5 plays, 32 yards, 2:47 elapsed. Alex used the whole play clock

Drive 3

Play 1 Pass for 4 yards
Play 2 Run no gain
Play 3 Pass incomplete

FG

4 plays, 4 yards, 1:32 elapsed. So play 1 and 2 Alex used the whole 40 sec play clock


Drive 4

Play 1 Pass to Bowe
Play 2 Pass to Dvis
Play 3 Alex Run First down
Play 4 Pass incomplete PENALTY on IND-J.Gordy First down
Play 5 Run
Play 6 Pass incomplete
Play 7 Pass incomplete

Punt

6 plays, 40 yards, 2:44 elapsed All the Plays the clock could move Alex used the whole play clock


Drive 5

Play 1 Pass to Hemingway First Down
Play 2 Run ( Davis hurt clock stopped)
Play 3 Pass incomplete
Play 4 Pass to Bowe First down
Play 5 Run
Play 6 Pass to Fasano Then KC used a Timeout
Play 7 Pass to Jenkins First down Then KC used a Timeout
Play 8 Pass to Dex
Play 9 Pass to Sherman
play 10 Pass to Dex some reason he went ob
Play 11 FG


11 plays, 58 yards, 5:02 elapsed Alex used the whole play clock


Drive 6 was the last one



Facts don't lie do the math. Alex used the play clock but just keep making crap up as you go. http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/playby...04011&period=3

OnTheWarpath15 01-09-2014 06:48 PM

Facts don't lie?

Which one of those posts are factual? They don't match.

Not like you can you tell how much of the play clock was used based on drive time alone. You have no idea how much time each play took to run, when the ball was set ready for play, etc.

Who should I believe? The guy that can't get his "facts" straight by posting different information, or my own eyes, which were in the building the game was played in, with an assist from the TV broadcast?

It's impossible to take you seriously, though you try so hard to sit at the big boy table.

ShowtimeSBMVP 01-09-2014 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10358369)
Facts don't lie?

Which one of those posts are factual? They don't match.

Not like you can you tell how much of the play clock was used based on drive time alone. You have no idea how much time each play took to run, when the ball was set ready for play, etc.

Who should I believe? The guy that can't get his "facts" straight by posting different information, or my own eyes, which were in the building the game was played in, with an assist from the TV broadcast?

It's impossible to take you seriously, though you try so hard to sit at the big boy table.

Whatever you need to tell yourself.

SAUTO 01-09-2014 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10358229)
By the letter, sure he played "better." Fine. You got me.

But is "better" good enough?

If you knew he was going "improve" at that rate next year, (fewer YPG, YPC and more INT's) would you give him the $18M a season it's reported he could get?

Link?

sorry but I just took a shower and don't need the niner douches stink all over me. no wading through their bullshit for me tonight...

SAUTO 01-09-2014 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 10358373)
Whatever you need to tell yourself.

prove what you are saying then...

you have two ****ing drive charts on this page that are different.

ShowtimeSBMVP 01-09-2014 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 10358375)
Link?

sorry but I just took a shower and don't need the niner douches stink all over me. no wading through their bullshit for me tonight...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>So <a href="https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer">@AlbertBreer</a> just told us if the contract gets done for Alex Smith he&#39;d estimate 5 years and $90 million added with 54 guaranteed.</p>&mdash; Danny Parkins (@DannyParkins) <a href="https://twitter.com/DannyParkins/statuses/421392835183534080">January 9, 2014</a></blockquote>
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ShowtimeSBMVP 01-09-2014 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 10358376)
prove what you are saying then...

you have two ****ing drive charts on this page that are different.

After we went up 38-10

Drive 1

Play 1 sack
play 2 Pass to Hemingway first down
play 3 Pass to Davis first down
Play 4 Run
Play 5 fumble


Drive 2

Play 1 Run
Play 2 Run
Play 3 Pass incomplete

3 plays, 5 yards, 1:34 elapsed. So play 1 and 2 Alex used the whole 40 sec play clock





Drive 3

Play 1 Pass for 4 yards
Play 2 Run no gain
Play 3 Pass incomplete

FG

3 plays, 4 yards, 1:32 elapsed. So play 1 and 2 Alex used the whole 40 sec play clock


Drive 4

Play 1 Pass to Bowe
Play 2 Pass to Dvis
Play 3 Alex Run First down
Play 4 Pass incomplete PENALTY on IND-J.Gordy First down
Play 5 Run
Play 6 Pass incomplete
Play 7 Pass incomplete

Punt

6 plays, 40 yards, 2:44 elapsed All the Plays the clock could move Alex used the whole play clock


Drive 5

Play 1 Pass to Hemingway First Down
Play 2 Run ( Davis hurt clock stopped)
Play 3 Pass incomplete
Play 4 Pass to Bowe First down
Play 5 Run
Play 6 Pass to Fasano Then KC used a Timeout
Play 7 Pass to Jenkins First down Then KC used a Timeout
Play 8 Pass to Dex
Play 9 Pass to Sherman
play 10 Pass to Dex some reason he went ob
Play 11 FG


11 plays, 58 yards, 5:02 elapsed Alex used the whole play clock


Drive 6 was the last one



This on is right i missed the fumble on first one.

SAUTO 01-09-2014 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 10358381)
After we went up 38-10

Drive one

Play 1 Run
Play 2 Run
Play 3 Pass incomplete

3 plays, 5 yards, 1:34 elapsed. So play 1 and 2 Alex used the whole 40 sec play clock

Drive 2

Play 1 sack
play 2 Pass to Hemingway first down
play 3 Pass to Davis first down
Play 4 Run
Play 5 fumble

5 plays, 32 yards, 2:47 elapsed. Alex used the whole play clock

Drive 3

Play 1 Pass for 4 yards
Play 2 Run no gain
Play 3 Pass incomplete

FG

4 plays, 4 yards, 1:32 elapsed. So play 1 and 2 Alex used the whole 40 sec play clock


Drive 4

Play 1 Pass to Bowe
Play 2 Pass to Dvis
Play 3 Alex Run First down
Play 4 Pass incomplete PENALTY on IND-J.Gordy First down
Play 5 Run
Play 6 Pass incomplete
Play 7 Pass incomplete

Punt

6 plays, 40 yards, 2:44 elapsed All the Plays the clock could move Alex used the whole play clock


Drive 5

Play 1 Pass to Hemingway First Down
Play 2 Run ( Davis hurt clock stopped)
Play 3 Pass incomplete
Play 4 Pass to Bowe First down
Play 5 Run
Play 6 Pass to Fasano Then KC used a Timeout
Play 7 Pass to Jenkins First down Then KC used a Timeout
Play 8 Pass to Dex
Play 9 Pass to Sherman
play 10 Pass to Dex some reason he went ob
Play 11 FG


11 plays, 58 yards, 5:02 elapsed Alex used the whole play clock


Drive 6 was the last one



This on is right i missed the fumble on first one.

show us the time on the play clock when the ball was snapped.


only way to prove your assertion

ShowtimeSBMVP 01-09-2014 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 10358386)
show us the time on the play clock when the ball was snapped.


only way to prove your assertion

Drive one

Play 1 Run
Play 2 Run
Play 3 Pass incomplete

3 plays, 5 yards, 1:34 elapsed. So play 1 and 2 Alex used the whole 40 sec play clock



How does this not prove it?

Play 1 Run clock moves
Play 2 Run clock moves
Play 3 Incomplete clock stops

Had the ball for 1:34 that drive.

temper11 01-09-2014 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 10357738)
I have had that position as well, it was a team loss including the coaches. As far as AS goes, the buck stops there, as he was the one at the helm of the O with opportunity at the end.

Yes... and what play did he miss at the end?

SAUTO 01-09-2014 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 10358388)
Drive one

Play 1 Run
Play 2 Run
Play 3 Pass incomplete

3 plays, 5 yards, 1:34 elapsed. So play 1 and 2 Alex used the whole 40 sec play clock



How does this not prove it?

Play 1 Run clock moves
Play 2 Run clock moves
Play 3 Incomplete clock stops

Had the ball for 1:34 that drive.

when was the ball set for play on each play?

temper11 01-09-2014 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 10358082)
Can we please stop this Bullcrap about Alex not running down the play clock

After we went up 38-10

Drive one

Play 1 Run
Play 2 Run
Play 3 Pass incomplete

3 plays, 5 yards, 1:34 elapsed. So play 1 and 2 Alex used the whole 40 sec play clock


Drive 2

Play 1 Pass for 4 yards
Play 2 Run no gain
Play 3 Pass incomplete

FG

4 plays, 4 yards, 1:32 elapsed. So play 1 and 2 Alex used the whole 40 sec play clock


Drive 3

Play 1 Pass to Bowe
Play 2 Pass to Dvis
Play 3 Alex Run First down
Play 4 Pass incomplete PENALTY on IND-J.Gordy First down
Play 5 Run
Play 6 Pass incomplete
Play 7 Pass incomplete

Punt

6 plays, 40 yards, 2:44 elapsed All the Plays the clock could move Alex used the whole play clock


Drive 4

Play 1 Pass to Hemingway First Down
Play 2 Run ( Davis hurt clock stopped)
Play 3 Pass incomplete
Play 4 Pass to Bowe First down
Play 5 Run
Play 6 Pass to Fasano Then KC used a Timeout
Play 7 Pass to Jenkins First down Then KC used a Timeout
Play 8 Pass to Dex
Play 9 Pass to Sherman
play 10 Pass to Dex some reason he went ob
Play 11 FG


11 plays, 58 yards, 5:02 elapsed Alex used the whole play clock




Drive 5 Was the Last drive


I know you Alex haters make up facts but he used the whole 40 sec clock. So can we end that dumb shit?

Thanks ChiefsandO's... I was going to go back and look at this but you just saved me the time. This is about what I thought.

ShowtimeSBMVP 01-09-2014 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 10358391)
when was the ball set for play on each play?

Dude really?

Play 1 run Take the 40 sec down
Play 2 Run Take the 40 sec down
Play 3 incomplete Stops clock


We had the ball for 1:34 not sure why this is hard for some people.

ShowtimeSBMVP 01-09-2014 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 10358392)
Thanks ChiefsandO's... I was going to go back and look at this but you just saved me the time. This is about what I thought.

That drive chart was wrong. Second one was right still proves it.

philfree 01-09-2014 07:05 PM

I don't believe Alex left over 4 minutes on the clock so why is this an issue anyway?

aturnis 01-09-2014 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10358102)
We're in trouble money wise now, AFAIC.

They're going to have to dump a ****ton of salary just to get Houston locked up, which is Priority 1.

This.

DeezNutz 01-09-2014 07:15 PM

Chiefs are cheap! I mean, wait, ****.

ShowtimeSBMVP 01-09-2014 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10358102)
We're in trouble money wise now, AFAIC.

They're going to have to dump a ****ton of salary just to get Houston locked up, which is Priority 1.

Let Hali play 1 more year. Cut Hali in 2015 and then lock up Houston. Give Alex 5 year deal and a big signing bonus spread it out over 5 years.

OnTheWarpath15 01-09-2014 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 10358398)
That drive chart was wrong. Second one was right still proves it.

ROFL

2nd one is wrong too, genius.

The first offensive drive after going up 38-10 was a 5 play drive that ended with the Smith fumble.

Holy shit, this is hilarious.

ShowtimeSBMVP 01-09-2014 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10358424)
ROFL

2nd one is wrong too, genius.

The first offensive drive after going up 38-10 was a 5 play drive that ended with the Smith fumble.

Holy shit, this is hilarious.

Yup forgot to put the fumble one up top(It's fixed now). I'm still right.

ShowtimeSBMVP 01-09-2014 07:25 PM

After we went up 38-10

Drive 1

Play 1 sack
play 2 Pass to Hemingway first down
play 3 Pass to Davis first down
Play 4 Run
Play 5 fumble

5 plays, 32 yards, 2:47 elapsed

Drive 2

Play 1 Run
Play 2 Run
Play 3 Pass incomplete

3 plays, 5 yards, 1:34 elapsed. So play 1 and 2 Alex used the whole 40 sec play clock





Drive 3

Play 1 Pass for 4 yards
Play 2 Run no gain
Play 3 Pass incomplete

FG

3 plays, 4 yards, 1:32 elapsed. So play 1 and 2 Alex used the whole 40 sec play clock


Drive 4

Play 1 Pass to Bowe
Play 2 Pass to Dvis
Play 3 Alex Run First down
Play 4 Pass incomplete PENALTY on IND-J.Gordy First down
Play 5 Run
Play 6 Pass incomplete
Play 7 Pass incomplete

Punt

6 plays, 40 yards, 2:44 elapsed All the Plays the clock could move Alex used the whole play clock


Drive 5

Play 1 Pass to Hemingway First Down
Play 2 Run ( Davis hurt clock stopped)
Play 3 Pass incomplete
Play 4 Pass to Bowe First down
Play 5 Run
Play 6 Pass to Fasano Then KC used a Timeout
Play 7 Pass to Jenkins First down Then KC used a Timeout
Play 8 Pass to Dex
Play 9 Pass to Sherman
play 10 Pass to Dex some reason he went ob
Play 11 FG


11 plays, 58 yards, 5:02 elapsed Alex used the whole play clock


Drive 6 was the last one





OnTheWarpath58 facts don't lie. Alex used the clock. I'll wait till you come up with another excuse.

TheUte 01-09-2014 07:27 PM

Warpath you never answered my questions, I'm sure you just missed them.
So here they are again.

First, If you could get that game from AS in every game for the next 5 years would you take it?

Second, If got that game from your Defense every game for the next 5 years would it take it?

Third, If you coaches managed games that way for the next 5 years would you take it?

OnTheWarpath15 01-09-2014 07:32 PM

Is that your final answer? Sure you have it right this time?

(I'll give you a hint - you don't.)

Regardless, and again...

a.) I was in the building, and Monty and I mentioned it several times. So you're basically calling us both liars.

b.) Not once in the 3rd quarter does the broadcast show the play clock, which happens when it hits 5 seconds.

Or, everyone can believe the guy that can't get his information straight, is leaving plays out of drives which count against the time elapsed, and doesn't understand that time elapsed isn't the end-all-be-all because you don't know how long each play took, nor how long it took the ball to be placed as ready for play.

I appreciate this little man crush you have where you follow me around and try desperately to disprove everything I post - but you're failing miserably.

Stick to Twitter updates.

Hog's Gone Fishin 01-09-2014 07:33 PM

NFL NETWORK just said CHIEFS ARE WANTING to EXTEND ALEX SMITH

ShowtimeSBMVP 01-09-2014 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10358454)
Is that your final answer? Sure you have it right this time?

(I'll give you a hint - you don't.)

Regardless, and again...

a.) I was in the building, and Monty and I mentioned it several times. So you're basically calling us both liars.

b.) Not once in the 3rd quarter does the broadcast show the play clock, which happens when it hits 5 seconds.

Or, everyone can believe the guy that can't get his information straight, is leaving plays out of drives which count against the time elapsed, and doesn't understand that time elapsed isn't the end-all-be-all because you don't know how long each play took, nor how long it took the ball to be placed as ready for play.

I appreciate this little man crush you have where you follow me around and try desperately to disprove everything I post - but you're failing miserably.

Stick to Twitter updates.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/playby...04011&period=3

I'll take espn over you any day.

007 01-09-2014 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheUte (Post 10358444)
Warpath you never answered my questions, I'm sure you just missed them.
So here they are again.

First, If you could get that game from AS in every game for the next 5 years would you take it?

Second, If got that game from your Defense every game for the next 5 years would it take it?

Third, If you coaches managed games that way for the next 5 years would you take it?

Impossible scenario is impossible.

temper11 01-09-2014 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10358293)
I'd give him an A- for Saturday. The fumble and clock management hurts him, but he played extremely well otherwise.

Rest of season? Hard to decide between a C+ and a B-.

Can't ignore the first nine games where he played average at best, and was carried by a historic defensive and special teams performance.

I'm gonna go with B-.

He showed he's capable of being an A-/B+ type of QB, but he's got to do it more than once or twice a year.

So you give absolutely no weight to the hundreds (yes that's an exaggeration) of good passes that were dropped that would have completely changed the face of each of those games? You give no consideration to the fact that the entire offense was learning a new system and that learning curve takes time? You give no consideration to the fact that a rookie was cutting his teeth on the offensive line? You give no consideration to the fact that KC line is one of the youngest in the league? You give no consideration to the fact that we were playing with a tight end and a full back that we plucked off the waiver wire that spent no time in camp?

You look at the low production of the first nine games and simply say: "Alex was average for the first nine.." Who do you think would have done better given all of those things? Or are you one of those folks who just think the QB has to throw up big numbers regardless of the circumstances? I know that if someone gave me a key board with the letter "e" and "s" missing, replaced "photoshop" with "MS Paint", tied one hand behind my back, and changed the language on my computer to Spanish, my performance would look average at best as well, but if I was still able to get the job done, it would nothing short of an f'ing miracle.

And, while Smith doesn't like the title, he really is a good game manager. When he knows the offense is going to have to elevate their game, he does that. Just as you saw in the later half of the season. I don't think the O just all of a sudden pulled their head out in week nine. They knew they were going to have to step it up and Smith started throwing the ball around more. Problem was, still way way way to many huge costly drops.

TheUte 01-09-2014 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 10358463)
Impossible scenario is impossible.

Dude, its a simple question. Really not that hard.

O.city 01-09-2014 07:39 PM

Where do these people come from?

007 01-09-2014 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheUte (Post 10358470)
Dude, its a simple question. Really not that hard.

It is a stupid question tailored to get the answer you want. it is an impossible scenario and worthless question.

MahiMike 01-09-2014 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10355939)
I'd say he can, simply based on his two seasons in SF.

Cassel didn't have that to fall back on.

Wow, you've really come around GoChiefs. New Year's resolution?


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