They won't give him a long term deal, or they won't give him a long term deal that he feels is a$$eptable?

The latter, not that the distinction really matters. Every player in the NFL wants to get paid.

Yep.

He gave the Seahawks a discount on his last extension because the LOB all were getting deals. Now those guys are gone and the Seahawks are handing out money to everyone else like Tyler Lockett and not him.

I remember when the Patriots had a young Tom Brady and signed Rodney Harrison, that seemed to work out pretty well for them.... Just Sayin'

Exactly what I was about to post...

Probably have the guys starting this year wont even be on the team next year.

Houston- cap casualty
Ford-???
Scandrick- will be 32
Parker
Berry- healthy? Possibly? Maybe
Bailey and Ragland are free agents. Dont know if I'd bring Ragland back. Bailey is good but not reliable.

They are going to need all the picks they can get.

Yeah, because they need more Speaks', KPass', and DOD's.

I really don't get that mentality, you'd think with what's going on right now everyone would be all in.

He's a safety needing a new contract. It's not gonna cost that much. Maybe a 3rd.

Paying more than that is crazy.

So it's going to take a 49-48 playoff loss to get people on board.

No ****ing way should we trade a 1st rd pick for player that we barely get for a few games before he’s 30.

Ron Parker ran a 4.35 40 as a prospect and he is already slowing down at 31. Thomas is nearing the end of his prime.

I don’t care what you think of Veach, who we don’t know if he played a big part in drafting Dee Ford/Eric Fisher.

It’s foolish to give up that assett. Give them a 2019 2nd+2020 3rd or something. Not a first rd pick.

Dude, come on though. 3 games in, we're gonna write of guys?

How about more Chris Jones, or Mitch Morse etc?

Can you really blame Seattle for being reluctant? Ran over to Dallas coaches last year and asked them to trade for him last year and he's right back at it again.

Why? Our 1st round pick is going to be at the end of the round. So is our 2nd? Do we really need more Breeland Speaks'?

It's not just the pick. It's the money.

Those early round picks are so cheap.

Do we really need more Chris Jones? How about Pat Mahomes, he was a first rounder?

Veach found Cox, Jackson, and McCoy in that area of the draft and we should just burn it for Thomas because of Speaks?

Yeah, I'm writing off those guys.

The window is WIDE open, right freaking NOW.

If they can't contribute now, find somebody who can. This team has won 1 playoff game in the last 30 years. If it takes mortgaging the future to win a Super Bowl, DO IT.

You guys can sit around and bitch about it in 2019 and 2020 but I won't be here, I'll be enjoying doing something else knowing that the Chiefs finally won it all.

cheap and worthless..gimme 11 guys off the street.

Are we talking about offense? Didn't think so.

I'm not against making a trade for this year. But I'm curious, how do you think they address the defense long term?

I was told this is the new Bashaud Breeland thread. Am I in the right place?

You think Veach found those guys. We don't really know who is completely responsible for those drafts, just like we don't know about what's going on behind the scenes here either.

The simple reality is that they haven't been good at picking defensive talent here in KC so it's difficult to just blindly trust that it's going to change for no other reason than we want it to.

The Chiefs should NOT trade a first rounder for Thomas, especially considering he may only be here for this season and then off to big FA bucks.

Now, if we they want to deal a second (since we have 2) then I would be open to that. Us and the Rams. They will both be late round 2 picks.

We will have effectively traded Marcus Peters for Earl Thomas if that deal were to happen.

I'd be okay with that, I guess.

Enough of this 'too risky' bullshit. Let's do this. We have so many talented players on rookie deals.

We need to go for it now.

I'm not saying we should give up an arm and a leg for Thomas, but if we have to overreach a bit, so be it.

This argument doesnt make sense. Because 5heyve missed on guys they should quit drafting? Huh?

40 time means shit for a veteran, Earl Thomas has elite smarts and ball skills, he doesn't need that to make plays. There's a reason Ed Reed was a playmaker until he was nearly 40, it wasn't 40 time.

Chris Jones didn't make a full-time impact until the end of his rookie season. You just want to keep pushing the window back and back and back. Screw it, let's just keep on keeping on.

Beer is cold, BBQ is hot, and the stadium is full. No Super Bowl rings needed.

Quit drafting? It's ONE pick. ONE.

Even if they gave up their 1st, they'd still have TWO seconds and the entire rest of the draft.

:facepalm:

"There's always next year!" /CP

You're going to need to dump Houstons salary to re-sign Hill, Jones, Morse, etc. Unless you're comfortable with Kpass being a full time starter you're going to need some picks to address the pass rush situation.

It's amazing how when Veach worked under other GM's he found All Pro players in just about every draft, but now that his is the actual GM his draft isn't looking good for immediate contribution.

Again, we're not trading an entire freaking draft for Thomas. It's 1, maybe 2, picks.

You arent understanding this at all dude.

THERE WILL BE MULTIPLE STARTING POSITIONS OPEN NEXT YEAR. Any cap money will be used to keep the studs we have. There wont be enough to go out and sign free agent starters. YOU WILL NEED MULTIPLE DRAFT PICKS TO DRAFT STARTERS AND FILL DEPTH.

Thomas has elite skills and is a winner.

Yup.

Trade for Earl Thomas and be forced to get rid of Justin Houston and no first rd pick in a stacked pass rushing draft.

It’ll be fun seeing QB’s destroy Eric Berry and Earl Thomas since they have an hour in the pocket.

No, I just don't think it's smart to go all in by trading high picks for older players and giving them big contracts.

His first draftees are 3 games into their careers. Not to mention he was drafting late and without a 1st round pick.

Some of you have ridiculous expectations.

There aren't any studs on the defense. Not one. They're all expendable.

One draft pick isn't going to make one single bit of difference. At all.

Earl Thomas for a 2nd round pick isn't really a big deal, especially since KC has two picks. The bigger issue to me is that Thomas is going to want to be the highest paid safety. KC has a lot of holes to fill on D. Is that money better spent trying to fill 2 or 3 other positions? Tying up 25+ mil on safeties next year?

I'm not mad if they make the deal, it'll make this year a little more interesting and the inevitable playoff collapse all that more painful. Because Chiefs.

It's one, or at most 2, picks.

You act like there won't be a draft if they trade for Thomas.

If one high pick and like a 4th rounder is the difference between filling all the holes and not, Veach is a freaking moron and this franchise is DOOMED. Seriously.

He deserves criticism for using his highest pick on a DE to OLB conversion project. Still doesn't mean I'd be eager to give our 1st to Seattle for Thomas, unless we can agree to a deal that isn't ridiculous first.

Dude, there is no real money in the NFL. It's all soft.

If the Chiefs want Earl Thomas, they'll find a way to pay him. That's what good teams do. It's not an excuse.

Well im fairly certain of one thing you will never ever get to know how much a billionaire gets to sit around making billions. But as much as you post I would say you have a lot of free time on your hands. Maybe you are Clark Hunt.

Chris Jones and Fuller are absolutely valuable.

Then offer both 2019 2nd rd picks instead of a 1st. If they won’t take that then **** them.

But neither of them are irreplaceable. There's a difference.

Huh

No, I'm not.

It's 4 or 5 years of a cost controlled young player vs 3 or 4 years of a high priced vet. If Thomas stays healthy and plays up to max potential, sure that's great.

I'm skeptical it would happen and you're losing value there. In the end, it depends what they have to give up. If it's the Rams 2nd rounder, fine. I don't care for it, but I can stomach it.

If it's a 1? No thanks.

Giving a second for a safety that doesn't want to play here and wants big money will not happen . He wants to play for Dallas and we already have a massively over paid safety that sure as hell isn't taking a pay cut to help keep Thomas if we did get him. We don't have the money and Hill needs his at the end of the year.

I wouldn't give up a 1st either, but the Rams 2nd plus another later round pick yes. Think of how much better the Defense is with Berry in the lineup he tends to be a field general out there.

If Seattle is asking for that many picks, he isn't getting traded. No one is trading higher than a 3, maybe a 2 (doubt it).

He's 29 and he needs a new contract.

It was reported they already rejected Dallas' 2nd round pick.

Then they can sit on him I guess.

You're assuming the probability of that young player panning out is higher than the probably of Thomas not staying healthy or falling off.

Based on recent history, that's a faulting assumption. They're defensive drafts have SUCKED. SUCKED.

I'm just not interested in banking picks at this point. I have zero confidence they'll use them effectively, at least not on defense.

When you have your QB, you have the biggest hurdle already in place in the NFL. Mahomes is only 23. We can compete in the long term if we draft properly, build on both sides of the ball so that we can replace and reload perpetually.

I mean, 3 games into his first season as a starter people are already calling for us to trade away everything we can for aging veterans. It's not like we are in Montana's last years here.

We can build something on this, something like the league's most successful franchises have where they are always competitive instead of in these up and down 'window' cycles.

I don't buy the defeatest mindset that we can't draft well because the team is located in Kansas City and a bunch of people who aren't there anymore didn't draft well in preceding decades. We don't need to give up on the one proven way to succeed in the league - Get a QB and draft well consistently - we need to do it correctly. And if we aren't, the people in charge need to be replaced.

I realize we have PTSD as a fan base and we think that the Chiefs could never be one of the league's leading franchises but we need to keep our hands out of the monkey hand trap and build something sustainable.

The other thing to take into consideration is that there is a chance KC uses a 1st or 2nd round pick on a safety anyway in the next draft.

As the year goes on he would probably become cheaper every week, of course Dallas would probably get in before we would.

Here’s a thought: why not get EB and Sorenson back, look to trade for another player giving up less value and then go after Earl Thomas in FA next Spring?

Sign Earl Thomas, have 3 draft picks in the top 64 picks and roll on.

There's a whole lot of assuming in this post.

"There's always next year!"

If we lost 49-48 in a playoff game then we'll regret not getting help sooner when we had the chance. Trying to prevent heartbreak. :D

Sorenson doesn't seem to be the answer.

If that's the case, they need to get people in here that can then.

The probability that a 29 year old plays well into his early 30's isn't exactly high either.

Their recent history with draft safeties is WORSE than other defensive positions. No thanks.

This team is a SB contender right now without Earl Thomas. And they are about to get an All Pro caliber safety back.

Yes I trust Brett Veach to draft yet another pass rusher when he likes fat dudes because they are tough.

This teams best bet is honestly to hope Houston takes a paycut after this year so that other spot can be occupied by a young player.

Also if this team has to use a 1 on a pass rusher after 2 straight years of 2nd round OLB's you'll know why this team has holes at CB...2nd rounders aren't suppose to be backups.

He's got more INT's than our whole team. THIS SEASON.

The only season that matters to me.

They are? When?

Way to much valuing of low 1st round picks here, you think Earl Thomas won't be as productive for the next 5 years as Dee Ford has been? And he's one of the Chiefs better defensive picks.

I like this a lot, I'd happily take Thomas on a 3 year FA deal in the off-season.

Well thats nice but Hunt foods has no relationship to the Hunts we know as owners of the Chiefs.

As well as Pat has played so far and the offense together, I kind of agree with DJ's application of knocking on the door before you knock it down.

I don't know that Thomas is really gonna be the guy to turn the D around and I think this young core probably is a year away from being ready.

I've been wrong before though.

Well he plays the same game Ed Reed did, he was productive well into his 30's.

Nope.

They're a borderline AFC Champ contender right now.

And they aren't about to get Berry back. Until he starts practicing AT ALL, he's not coming back.

Team's aren't built on HOPE.

They're a year away from being cut....they won't play Kpass, Speaks is a ****ing scrub and well the rest of those dudes, uh huh.

Sound thinking.

If the Chiefs traded a 2nd for Thomas, let him play out the year and then let him walk away for a big contract elsewhere, wouldn't they be likely to get a 3rd back in the form of a compensatory pick (albeit a year later, iirc)? I'd be okay with that in an attempt to fix the defense.

Of course, that same reasoning is why the Seahawks are going to want more than a 3rd.

Hey, let's just trade all our draft picks then. We already know they're all going to suck. Just trade for established veterans. Oh, and that thing called a salary cap? I'm sure we'll have no problem fitting even more bloated contracts.