Once this "fuax media outrage for ca$h" settles down...hopefully cooler heads prevail.

There is only ONE thing that would get Hill kicked off the Chiefs.. Did he INTENTIONALLY break Hill Jr's arm, if at all... that means he hurt his child on PURPOSE.

Right now the only thing he is guilty of is being a shitty parent and having a toxic relationship.

If there are no criminal charges for abuse....KC should help him get out of that situation and educate him on being a better parent.

That's it...nothing more or less.

What if Tyreek was pulling his son’s arm behind his back to restrain him while beating him and that’s how it broke? That’s not intentional, but still the result of unnecessary violence and negligence for his safety.

Some have speculated that is how it happened.

I'm tired talking about "what ifs"...if Hill is a chronic child abuser, he'll be gone.

We dont know yet if Hill even is responsible...or the circumstances that caused the injury.

To me, the word "abuse" means deliberate intent to harm. I wish people would just quit throwing it out so loosely...

When Peterson beat his kid bloody with a switch...he was DELIBERATELY trying to inflict harm, it was intentional and premeditated.

If Hill intentionally broke his sons arm in an attempt to inflict bodily injury...he'll get convicted.

I was specifically replying to your statement that Hill would only get kicked off the team if he intentionally broke his son’s arm. I’m just trying to understand where you draw the line on what’s intentional.

Grabbing your kids arm isn't an attempt to injure....putting a cigarette out on his back is.

You have a deliberate outcome in mind...I guess you could, in theory, grab an arm with the intention of breaking it.

This is my own opinion but Hill doesn't strike as wanting to deliberately break his sons arm...He's a professional athlete and a compact one at that. He's a strong dude...and we still dont know if he was even responsible.

It not out of realm of possibility that Hill grabbed his son by the arm...and it broke. He has an almost supernatural amount of torque...he's a freak of nature. If it was an accident..I could see why he would want to cover it up...given his past. The media would be all over it...just like now. We dont know...so I'm going to stop with fictional scenarios.

What’s the latest?

Considering that the punishment for any offense might be to take the same classes and services that are being ordered in the family court case, why would that be worthwhile?

My prediction is press release to announce no prosecution instead of a press conference for the DA to show off.

I think a defense attorney would be able to get the fool that sent the tape to Angie Ricono on the witness stand to ask about chain of custody and motivation for sabotaging this mother and father.

This idea of worrying about the child as a motivation makes no sense when the family court case is ongoing. Likely, somebody in the family or a fake friend wants to **** Tyreek and Cristal and their kids out of the money from the big contract.

How do you have complaints that have police investigations and state agency investigations (probably from mandatory Emergency Room report) that are dropped because looks like accident, then reopened because KC Star publishes, then no charges, then throw couple under bus because you hate that criminal case is dropped?

Elected DAs like to show off, and losing a high profile case is not showing off.

If there is no witnessed malicious act, there is no case. The first police and state workers that sized up the situation concluded likely accident. If the only new developments is fake friend exploits unethical press to embarrass family on the pretense of helping kid that is already being protected, I don't think that adds up to much and the prosecution would not be worth it.

My guess is that there was no malicious act. The DA probably believes that too. Some fake friend saboteur wants to escalate meddling while preserving anonymity? Problem for her and the people rooting against Tyreek Hill, is that it is going to be a lot easier to prove meddling by a saboteur, when the anonymity protections for child abuse reporters no longer apply because of using KCTV 5 to sabotage this family.

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This isn't even close to the same situation as AP. You keep looking at this situation on its own. The question isn't if this was child abuse. The question is if this behavior shows a pattern that makes him a danger to his girlfriend, his son, and even if he dumps crystal let's be real... Does anyone really think dumping his gf or losing child custody means he won't abuse other women or some other child in the future?

What weve learned is that despite hill going through A LOT of anger management and therapy, That audio revealed that he isn't reformed at all. He's still the same monster that was capable of abusing a pregnant woman. And he always will be. He will be suspended by the league for a long time even with what little we know. He'll be an enormous distraction. And no team will want to give a long term deal to a player who not only is one tiny mistake away from a permaban, but is totally incapable of avoiding that mistake.

Nothing's changed, as far as I know.

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The DA straight up said he believed a crime had been committed. Charged couldn't be filed because they couldn't prove who perpetrated the abuse. Audio that was released sure he's to indicate Tyreek and Crystal were complicit in covering whatever happened up.

Lol... Look at the lawyer try and **** with ppls heads instead of calling it what it is.

' You should be terrified of me too bitch' why you think he said that BlackOps? If I had to take a logical guess - he is warning her that the kid fears him for a reason he is still capable of beating the shit out of her so she better watch her mouth.

Such a nice guy. Clearly rehabilitated. Those anger management classes definitelty did the trick!

Yep...police found nothing to peruse. Normally that's where things like this typically end...unless you are famous and someone can exploit it for profit.

The star wanted a "hot story"..and they created one. TMZ even rejected it...if that tells you something.

Now we have this mess....I'm not sure what the Star accomplished? They set the stage for this over-the-top situation where there didn't need to be one.

It kind of sounds like things would have been better if they didn't say anything and let the legal system run its course. But they became the judge, jury and public executioner...they instigated this whole media ordeal.

AP was suspended for a year. At the most TH will probably get the same suspension therefore the Chiefs need to hold onto him. I believe in eternal 2nd chances based on Jesus's own words in

Matthew 18:21-22

Parable of the Unforgiving Debtor

21 Then Peter came to him and asked, “Lord, how often should I forgive someone who sins against me? Seven times?”

22 “No, not seven times,” Jesus replied, “but seventy times seven!

The DA did not say what crime and what mental state must be proved to prove the crime?

My thought is that it is unlikely he has a crime in mind with a mental state of malicious or intentional, because how the heck could he think a malicious or intentional crime happened if he does not know exactly what happened?

Quit saying "Abuse"...you dumb shit. There is nothing anywhere that says his broken arm was intentional.

They were forced to cover up a broken arm because the web of public opinion had already formed a guilty verdict...fueled by the Stars Hit pieces.

It wouldn't matter if the injury was an accident at that point...Hill's past is all the SJWs needed to crucify...they have literally been waiting for this moment since the Chiefs drafted him.

LMAO

Saying that when wondering why she is talking about this when we are in an airport is not a crime. Does not look good. NFL may impose suspension on those words alone, but it is not a crime and not evidence of a crime.

I bet if you go up to any father that is trying to raise a son to not be a pussy and tell the dad that they are too mean and the kid is a pussy anyway, you might get some words like that.

Is it your stance that just because Hill didnt necessarily take his sons arm and break it over his knee that he wasnt abusing his child? After the DA says that there is evidence that leads him to believe a crime has been committed and hes disturbed by what hes seen and he unfortunately cant do anything about it. After a pretty incriminating audio tape comes out painting a picture that Hill punches his 3 year old son who apparently told investigators "Daddy punches me"?

He couldn't pinpoint exactly who did it. Because it sounds like they were colluding to be uncooperative, so he dropped charges. Now the case is reopened because they got it on audio.

What is with all this lawyer shit? Damn some of you people are so naive. No wonder so many women getting the shit beat out of them dont want to go to the police.

I am not sure that is true. Unless there is a specific injury that an expert witness testifies could not be an accident beyond a reasonable doubt, you would have to know who?

Do you think the kid said in the forensic interview that he gets punished when he cries in a way that the DA has no idea whodunit?

I do not know how far along the kid is at talking about his experiences, but if there is a forensic interview, I expect he said whodunit on any of the allegations in that audio.

I didn’t hear Hill admit to anything in the audio I heard. She did all of the talking other than the parts where he disagreed and/or told her she better be terrified too.

Well, if Tyreek is beating the shit out of a woman, he will be in trouble.

I think he’s in a toxic relationship with her and he wanted her to shut up.

A bunch of Piranha on a feeding frenzy.

So "she rode for him with that detective" (paraphrasing) oesn't mean anything?

Here's a thought-thing ... based on the audio, the Popo have more specific questions to ask of Damien, Mr. jettio. For example; "Did Daddy ever force you to hold your arms away from your body while he punched you in the chest?" You know, stuff like that ...

More precise, detailed questions could make a big difference in how the interrogation goes.

My only prayer at this point is that CPS doesn't waterboard any longer.

FAX

Do the people thinking that Hill hasn't abused his kid believe that his 3 year old son is out to get him when he apparently said "Daddy did it" and "Daddy punches me"?

Definitely. Still telling her she should be terrified of him too doesn't sound very good coming from a guy who previously beat the girl up when she was pregnant.

They have an audio proving what?

I thought it was his GF saying that, when has the 3 yr old said that?

The girlfriend is talking in 3rd person asking him why he says that and she also said that when she was defending Hill against questions brought on by investigators and CPS that they said their son repeatedly told them "Daddy punches me."

To be fair it could also be possible that when Hill is beating his fiance he makes her call him "Daddy."

Not in my mind. You can take it a number of different ways. It ranges from Moral support to I helped you break the law. There’s no way to tell.

Cops would not interview a 3 year old. A person trained in interviewing kids in a non-prompting way interviews a 3 year old. If that has happened, I would think the kid has already described all of that. And that is parenting class level stuff, not destroy Dad's life because he is famous level.

Apparently something was enough for the DA to reopen the case.

Yes. Of course, they have specialists who are tasked with interviewing the children in these situations.

And you'd be surprised how much information you can get once you fire up the electrodes attached to their immature, little genitals.

FAX

I guess the DA could try and make the case he made a “Terroristic threat” to her but then the Defense attorney will ask why she didn’t immediately leave him, why did she support him previously etc.
Also, she is the one who said they boy was terrified a few times to him. It’s reasonable to me he wanted her to simply shut up and end the discussion right there.

Or, she could be beating him with a ....oh never mind. :deevee:

The whole audio is her doing a “knowing” narrative and framing her speech. He obviously has no idea he’s being recorded.

Wouldn't think an innocent man would need to know he was being recorded to defended himself against accusations that he punches his 3 year old son.

The entire conversation was a bit bizarre. No chit-chat about "Where should we eat?" or "What time is our flight?" or "Do you want a bagel?" or anything of that nature. It's all about one topic and one topic alone.

That doesn't strike anyone else as ... peculiar?

I'd like to hear a completely unedited version.

FAX

Man, after listening to Steven A. Smith and Shannon Sharpes takes, I feel dirty that I have to agree.


Tyreek did not DEFEND or DENY anything in that audio. He acted content with most of the shit she said, and even threatened her with the "you should be scared too, bitch" comment.

Just a totally immature and stupid way to react.


That said, the Chiefs shouldn't do ANY TEAM any favors by just cutting him.

*Put in him rehab/counseling.
*Suspend him the year.

Let the heat die down, and re-assess the situation later.
If the NFL won't suspend him, another team is going to pick him up and use him against us.... and that doesn't teach him SHIT. Keep him benched and try and help the ****er with some serious psychiatric help.


I know he didn't hurt his kid on purpose, but he needs to "get with the times" on child punishment and adapt it to his fame status. (any of us normal joes do this to our kids and the media doesn't even report it... it happens hundreds of times a day).

I concur with this statement in its entirety.

FAX

That’s not proof he’s guilty in my mind. Is he in a toxic relationship? Yes. Is he a normal well adjusted man? I don’t think he is.

That's what they should have done with Hunt

It's Tyreek's last year on his deal. Clark definitely isn't going to give him another deal, even if jumps through all of the required hoops.

It’s very peculiar.

Is it a smoking gun? No. But it's pretty damning evidence to go along with whatever the DA saw that would make a pretty solid circumstantial case against him, which is why the case was immediately reopened.

This.

Ugh. This is ongoing. I'm staying out of it because people have chosen sides and at this point there's no conversion therapy powerful enough to convince anyone otherwise given the evidence that's available (and BlackOp is just BlackOp so he should be talking to himself in a padded room).

But as for the "completely unedited version," apparently that mentions names so KCTV5 didn't release the entire tape. Doesn't seem unreasonable. I'm sure the DA has it though and can make whatever inferences he chooses.

Dubai is a really bizarre (read: horrible) place though and I enjoyed skiing indoors at the mall. Hope Crystal and Tyreek had a blast there.

TwistedChief THE TIRED OF THIS

Exactly! Tyreek knew she was exaggerating/embellishing the facts so he threatens her. I'm sure she has heard that from him before. And I'm also sure she was on her best behavior during the secretly recorded audio. AND, that her questions were well rehearsed! Open your eyes folks!

Context is SO overrated/inconvenient....

Sweets THE SICK OF HYPOCRISY.

You clearly know more about the details associated with this fiasco than I do .. which is fine, I suppose.

I started with "Shock", worked my way through to "Anger" and now I've finally reached the blessed stage of "Acceptance". Since I have no control over any of this and logic seems to be simultaneously unwelcome by both sides, I've elected to try and find whatever dark humor might be gleaned from the disaster.

I still have questions that I'd like to see answered, but since aspects of the case will probably never be known, I say; let fate deal the cards in this game of horrors.

FAX

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I totally agree with this statement! Well said sir!

Opening the case back up seems to make sense.

Seems like an edited version. But if it was recorded, then obviously it was recorded with the intent to bait him into saying something. That doesn't mean she was doing it opportunistically. Surprised that nobody's thrown out the possibility that someone was recording because they legitimately feared for someones life and wanted to get evidence once and for all for that. We have no way of knowing that, but since do many are quick to the draw of calling her an opportunistic bitch, that alternative has to be considered.

I couldn't care less how well rehearsed her questions were. I care about how unconvincing his answers were.

The only thing you can even argue that Hill defended was that "He did nothing" in regards to what happened to his kids arm. Then when his fiance follows up with "Then why does he say daddy it?" Hills response was, "I dont know. He says daddy does a lot of things" insinuating that his 3 year old son has a history of lying.

You've got people on here like BlackOp talking about how easy it is to get children to tell the truth and that they aren't expert liars. So which is it? Is the kid telling the truth or is he an expert liar and Tyreek Hill is a stand up father?

I think that the two of them as a couple live in a spiral of mutual destruction. Simply put they hurt each other all the time while still caring for each other. Happens all the time. The state really only will focus on the child and who is or isn’t harming him. That’s how I understand it.

I don’t see how the audio ends Hills career. Now, if something violent/threatening comes out and is charged and proven in court then he’s probably done as he’d be guilty and socially radioactive in the eyes of the NFL.

You know the difference between "shy away" and "terrified?" How about the difference between "punched" and "slapped?"

I hope you can see where I'm going here......if not, well, go back to your butterfly collection...

Don't even get why their relationship being toxic is a discussion point. It's been blatantly obvious for YEARS.

Are you trying to make a point?

What about Scarlett Johanson's 3 year old boy one day telling her "I'm not a boy, I'm a girl." So now she dresses her 3 year old boy as a girl. Does that strike you as odd? Or rather that 3 year olds say some weird shit from time to time?

You're too stupid to argue with...

Can you actually come up with a defense for what Hill said that actually makes ****ing sense?

You aren't even arguing you are just saying random ****ing shit that is only vaguely related to anything.

LOL.....you're probably a Hollywood actor!

I'm not the one acting here.

Cause you're a dumbass that can't read between the lines? You really are obtuse. A real featherhead. I'm done arguing with you. BTW, I'm a high school dropout. Me thinks you dropped out in elementary school!!!!!!!

What the ****?

Read between what lines? You, yourself, can't even comprehensively explain what the **** you are talking about so you dont even try.

Me: Is Hill's kid lying?

You: Well Scarlett Johanson has a son that says he's a girl and she plays along!

Whataboutism.

I quoted everything that I responded to......if you can't follow that you are a dumb shit!

My question is, where is Hill's boy saying Daddy did it? I thought it was Hills girl that was saying this?

The point was you can't take everything a 3 year old says seriously. How the hell can you not follow that? BYE DUM DUM

That is probably the case. I don't know if it will end his career. But given the optics of what he did in college, its already ruined his career. And it won't take very much to basically end it. I hope it's just a toxic relationship. But I doubt anyone has much confidence that his behavior will change with a different woman or child.

We've already been through this.

I'm with you here, FAX THE REASONABLE. I'd love for some evidence to come out that completely absolves him and then we can see Hill and Hardman running circles around defenses, but in the meantime, I feel like I'm appropriately prepared to accept the worst.

This shit can be solved by one person and one person only...... Steve Wilkos!!