And to add here if we draft Kenneth Murray I'm not going to be upset, you can do way worse than him, he's also a great dude and will probably be an NFL man of the year at some point.

No way.

He's a better run defender, he's a bit bigger and a bit more scheme versatile, but playing 4-3 will/coverage backer Queen might be an all pro...it comes down to what you like.

Queen has really rare instincts in coverage that you just don't see in LBs.

From what I've seen it's been the inverse. But we may just be reading different stuff.

Murray lost some momentum around December and never seemed to recapture it. Meanwhile LSU was rolling folks and Queen seemed to pass him in the draft circles.

I guess with the current trends, a coverage backer is important, but i don't really know that i want my LB in coverage that much anyway?

Its team flavor, if I was say Baltimore, I'd lean Murray I don't like Queens fit in any type of odd front.

New Orleans would probably take Queen just cause their fan base would jizz its pants.

It seems to me that some of these scouting reports and mock drafts people like Murray better than Queen because Murray is as close to a "Finished Product" as you'll find in this year's draft, while Queen has a much higher upside due to the fact that he's only started for one season.

At this point in time, I don't think you can go wrong with either guy, it's just a matter of preference, although I would be shocked to see either player at #32.

I wouldn't the NFL has shown you they don't value off the ball LB's.

{reads this line}
{thinks to self - "Self, how big was Derrick Brooks in college?"}

{tappitytappitytap}

Well I'll be damned. 6 ft, 229 lbs coming out of FSU. Y'know, balls on the same size as Patrick Queen.

Derrick Brooks turned out okay.

I actually think Murray will go first because he fits more what the old guard of guys running teams is going to like...also his personal stuff and character is so off the charts and teams like that.

Why do you hate Derrick Brooks? What do you have against former Walter Payton NFL Man of the Year winners?

Interesting. I've read a few of these Top 100 player rankings and Queen and Murray are generally in the Top 25, if not Top 20.

Yes but those are writers and not GMs, show me, other than dudes who were considered elite blue chip off ball LBs, how many go in the 1st round.

Last year was White and Bush who frankly had better resumes than these guys, Simmons is the guy this year that'll do that.

But for the most part off ball LBs aren't highly valued.

When you look at the scenarios it pretty much comes down to the Pats, Saints, and Ravens.

If 2 of those 3 don’t take Queen/Murray, and nobody unexpectedly takes them way early, there’s a good chance one can fall.

Teams like the Raiders and Packers plugging holes at LB in free agency definitely made it a possibility.

I think the Saints are a darkhorse team to take a WR, why would a team that has Brees on his last legs not want to give him more weapons when he's literally played 2 years with 1 WR now?

I had the Saints penciled in at WR until they signed Sanders, now I think it’s 50/50 unless Love falls into their lap and they can’t resist.

Daniel Jeremiah released his final top 150 players today and a guy who we’ve met with (and from what I’m reading had a virtual meeting with) was ranked 19th.

Very interesting prospect who I’ve barely seen anyone talk about.

Ross Blacklock DL TCU

“vertical meeting” lol

Sure, it's possible, but it seems like to me that both players will find homes before they hit the #32 spot.

New England and Baltimore come to mind and I'm sure there are others.

I actually think he's in play for the Raiders at 19, they spent money on LB, unless they think Derek Carr is just going to change who he is drafting a WR won't help.....they need interior DL the most.

Maybe Veach would trade up in front of them for either Murray or Queen. Shouldn’t cost a ton to move up 5-6 spots.

Man I hate autocorrect so much. It always changes my posts, texts and emails

If NE wants to do anything at QB, they have to go up or down at that pick...Queen is not their style of guy either, if anything they're the type of team that would take McKinney.

So if I go out there and look to specifically bomb the Chiefs draft board, I get through 28 players before I run out of guys I'd be happy to take in the 1st round.

And to do that, I have to leave Herbert, Becton, Chaisson, Love, Mims and Gross-Matos (as well as all the RBs) on the board. It also leaves Winfield on the board, who some are falling in love with.

My "jesus, we just got pillaged" list ends up with:

Igbinoghene, CB - Auburn
Reagor - WR, TCU
Aiyuk - WR, TCU
Chinn - S/LB, ISU
Brooks, LB - TTU

And the aforementioned:

Winfield
Becton
Chaisson
Gross-Matos
A shitload of RBs

Those are all guys who don't fit, have major red flags or are simply taken a little too early at 32, but they're all quality prospects. I'd be looking to trade down something fierce but this is also virtually impossible (because someone would give you a kings ransom to go get Herbert or would've traded up ahead of us to get him).

I say that to say that Veach is going to have a quality player or two to choose from. We say "I'd be shocked if X is available" a LOT. But some of those Xs are gonna be available. It's a deep draft through 25 or so and then a second tier that probably goes another 30 players deep. Through the first 2 rounds, we'll have shots at real quality players both times.

Please no Breeland Speakses...

Yeah, no consensus on that dude (achilles injury scaring teams off?) but he does some pretty outstanding stuff. He's the guy I said I figured the Pats would go after instead of Epenesa.

There's Chris Jones potential there.

You could sell me on Aiyuk or Chinn, I think they have a lot of upside...Winfield I love.

Gross-Matos to me looks like a guy Seattle will jump on.

In the first, I'd see both of those guys as reaches and I really like Aiyuk. I'd probably go with Reagor over Aiyuk on that board (more upside, IMO).

But when I had the Chiefs in the CP Mock last year and did a similar exercise, I ran out of guys I'd be happy to get around 20-22. It's just a far deeper draft this year, IMO.

I’ve officially reached the point where I just want this to get here and be over.

I'm not really an Aiyuk guy the only reason I could be sold on that is because our team is good with WRs.

Picks that would probably annoy me to be frank

Gross-Matos, I don't see that as a fit.
Chaison just because that's not a fit either.
Austin Jackson
Zach Baun is the one we keep getting in mocks that I'm really not a fan of though.

Apparently teams had Chinn as a 1st/2nd before the combine.

I don’t think it would be a reach as much as the media has led us to believe it would be.

Let’s be real here, none of us have done extensive homework on Chinn and there’s not a ton of “tape” on YT. I love him, but I know I’m doing a lot of projecting based on athleticism and traits (while giving the benefit of the doubt to experts I trust) .

I mean, one things scouts rave about is how good he was in 2018 in coverage against A.J. Brown. I know none of us have saw that game...

Come on, there are at least 3 Youtube videos where you can see him drop back in coverage!

Yeah, you're right. He could be great but only NFL teams have film on him.

Best LB available

He has 3 games on YT. That’s not enough to say he’s a reach with the measurables and production he has.

This is one of those times where I’m going to defer to the experts, and guys like DJ and Matt Miller have been saying for weeks that Chinn is the #1 safety on some teams boards and could easily be the first one off the board.

Something tells me we might like him as much as NFL teams if we could see him ball out against AJ ****ing Brown.

Joe Thomas gives you his OT list...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">1a) Becton<br>1b) Wills<br>3) Thomas<br>4) Wirfs</p>&mdash; Joe Thomas (@joethomas73) <a href="https://twitter.com/joethomas73/status/1252059622040535040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Obviously not at 32.....but how do you feel about Claypool as a fellow ND fan?

I thought Wills was easily the best of the top 4 when I watched them.

If you click it he has detailed breakdown of everything, basically he has Becton first because his potential is so high, says his issues should be able to be corrected with an OL coach.

He really shirts on Wirfs though, basically says he has the power lift lower body, causes him to get tired and not be quick enough and he'd be a better guard because he's going to struggle with the athletes that play on the outside.

All this excitement, and then we wait all day until #32 just for Chiefs to trade down.

Anyway guys, I got it, to get a player we really want, like say Queen, that means when teams come up that could pick him, we just have to ddos the **** out of them so they can't pick, we on board?

Yep, super tired of the guessing game... ready to talk about what we have, not what might happen

Legs are too heavy for the Chiefs offense, IMO. And that whole "convert to a TE" thing just doesn't work all that often. Granted, Kelce's a TE in name only in a lot of ways, but being able to run routes like Kelce does at his size is just so damn rare.

That's the thing that people often underestimate when it comes to 'converting' these big ol' WRs - those guys need to run damn good routes when they're working in congested areas to make room for themselves. Few can.

It's not as simple as "take a big guy that runs well and make him a TE" because without the space to use their length to get separation, most guys simply can't get open. It takes an amazingly agile technician to be able to get open in small areas at that size. That's what makes a TE effective vs. being an oversized slow WR.

Claypool doesn't look like that guy to me. He just looks like Mikhael Ricks.

I liked Boykin far more than I like Claypool this year.

Makes more sense for a team that has a QB that can't throw for shit.

edit nevermind

This is gonna be a cluster****

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A HC who participated in today&#39;s NFL mock draft told <a href="https://twitter.com/diannaESPN?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@diannaESPN</a> that his internet went down during the draft. How? Apparently his kids were on their iPads using up all the bandwidth.</p>&mdash; NFL Update (@MySportsUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1252332825837174792?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

No one believes this bullshit, I put it in the countdown thread, unless he has 137 kids, that is not ****ing possible. No one believes dudes that make millions have poverty internet that can't support 5 devices.

Some people live in the hills with shitty Internet and a cheap piece of shit router.

If you are responsible for making picks for an NFL team you should make some plans though...


Look at this, this is why I question shit like that...

127.1

Mbps download

11.3

Mbps upload

Latency: 25 ms
Server: Chicago, IL
Your Internet speed is very fast

Your Internet connection should be able to handle multiple devices streaming HD videos, video conferencing, and gaming at the same time.

So you are telling me dudes who make millions have internet that can't handle 3 things at once...right..this speed is on wireless...if I was wired up I'd be at like 270..

I think this is teams that feel unprepared, namely the ones with bad GM's/coaches that make a lot of bad decisions pining to get the draft pushed back so they are promoting this.

I discussed this though,you're problem is likely this...That or we have idiotic people that don't realize, if you live in a mansion sized house, you probably need to have new equipment, likely more than 1 router, extenders, and if you make millions you're home office should be hard wired, you can spend the extra couple hundred bucks to have it done.

Or you know in this situation they could have just changed their setup to business class, not like they can't afford it, and it would have solved a ton of this.

And to add....I once wanted to see if I could saturate my 270mb connection so I turned on a bunch of computers and tablets. I gave up when I had 7 HD videos running and got to 25mb. Either A) those kids were using their ipads to download dozens of torrents each or B) that coach has 137 kids or C) his internet and/or wifi is shit. If I had to guess I would say that he probably has a 1gb internet connection running 802.11a from a router in the far corner of the basement.

No one is going to sell me that you can't figure this out when you have millions of dollars. I pay ****ing 80 dollars a month and I could right now...Stream in 4k in 3 spots...flip on about 10 tvs to stream, play games, download games, do shit on the PC all while my wife works and it doesn't drop..in today's world there is no excuse for this.

Or maybe the decision maker should be at teams facility where they can control the speed and availability of the connection.

It took me literally years to get high internet speeds to work at a high speed all throughout my home and it wasn't really "right" until 2017.

We still don't get solid cell reception, so it doesn't come as a surprise to me. And there are times where our internet speed will slow down considerably, which requires a whole home reboot and takes about 10 minutes and that's only if it's working properly after a reboot.

It's a ploy, there are several teams that want this pushed back and aren't confident in making picks without all the info they usually have....they're scared so they are playing this game to try to get it postponed.

But Dane....if you made 2 million dollars a year at least, and this was coming up, wouldn't you have a professional come out to your home and do whatever it took to get it right?

If it's true it is most likely a coach that doesn't understand how stuff works and they've never taken the time to get it right, so many people don't understand how wifi even works.

Hillside home (and even others) are built with solid steel girders and in many cases, millions of pounds of concrete.

It can be super complicated to set up solid internet connections all throughout the home and we'll still have problems from time to time, and that's with a $300 dollar wireless router and a couple of AC Points that are normally used in hotels and restaurants with Spectrum speeds beyond 400 mbps.

I'd be concerned if I was running the NFL draft from my house for sure.

If you have a bunch of steel in your house, or you have that old chicken wire shit or a brick wall in your interior that will decimate your wifi...

That person needs to basically be at team headquarters because of that.

Not really related, but I can imagine there's quite a bit of stress in these homes. Laugh at that because of the money they make, but most of these NFL front office guys and coaches are almost NEVER home and always working. This has to be a new world for them and their families.

I think it can be a number of factors, income aside. He could have hired a bad Audio/Visual contractor, there could be a fault in one of their devices, the internet provider may have not upgraded the lines, which are above ground here in SoCal and so on. And since his kids are home and not in school, they may have never stressed their system to this point.

I went through hell last year with Spectrum because my internet speed was cut in half once I added their TV package. They replaced all kinds of gear outdoors and indoors but the problem was never solved, so I went back to Direct TV. After that, our internet speed went back to where it was prior to the adding Spectrum TV.

We are also "at the end of the line", so the signal is weaker, which required Spectrum to increase the signal as well.

The bottom line is that I think his situation is totally possible.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just now on <a href="https://twitter.com/1053thefan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@1053thefan</a> from the very much plugged in former NFL scout <a href="https://twitter.com/BryanBroaddus?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BryanBroaddus</a>, the Chiefs among others are a team that absolutely wants out of the 1st round. Thursday is going to be interesting! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> | <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a></p>&mdash; Arrowhead Live (@ArrowheadLive) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArrowheadLive/status/1252316437961728003?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Cool the Chiefs are rumored to trade up and trade down. Gotta love the days before the draft

Yea, but it’s obvious this one is true, while the other was a dumb rumor based on the assumption that Ruggs could possibly make it to to twenties (he can’t).

Of course the Chiefs want to trade down with only 5 picks and in the range where talent level drops off and stays level well to the 60’s.

The problem is, so do the 49ers, Seahawks, and others in front of them.

Unfortunately, we will probably be stuck at 32.

I tend to think that Veach will take any tradedown scenario he gets because it will give him the resources needed to move around and get the guys he truly wants.

With so much talent between 1-60, I think the old Jimmy Johnson trade value chart is virtually out the window.

Well if they’re willing to go well below value, they might be able to get something done.

I guess we have to see who’s available before we can say whether that’s worth it though.

I feel like you guys are expecting Veach to trade down because you want him to.


He doesn't really do that though, instead he usually trades up and grabs who he wants and then Soren Petro loses his mind

The NFL and the video draft is all of the, hey Boomer memes, come to life on TV.

Gettleman's 15 year old D Link router is gonna explode and he'll write his pick on a piece of paper and fold it into a paper airplane and throw it out the window

With only 5 picks this year, Veach doesn't have any ammo in order to move up or move around.

It would be absolutely shocking to see him move up this year because he'd be drafting only 4 players in a very, very deep draft, which doesn't seem like a move he would make, especially considering that the Chiefs will need all of the cheap labor they can find for the foreseeable future.

Unless they trade Jones I guess. He could also trade future picks in next year's draft which might not have nearly as many good receivers. I guess we'll see.

I just feel like people always want to trade down and it rarely happens

I give not two ****ing shits. Let that ****ing idiot GM sit on hold with Comcast for 30 minutes while the draft passes him by. He's had a month to prepare for this and he makes plenty of money to fix his ****ing internet issues or at least arrange for a suitable private location where the internet is reliable

I read one prospect did a video chat with Steelers HC Tomlin and said the coach had to walk around his neighborhood because the video kept freezing up lol

Bleacher report article has us trading our 1st + 2021 3rd for P Peterson and Cardinals 2021 5th.

Seems expensive to me in a year when a high quality DB is likely to be available at #32.

Lol zero chance

If you could pick one player in this draft to be on the Chiefs regardless of where they get drafted who would you want? I’d go with Isaiah Simmons

The answer is Chase young. Positionally im 100% with you, or Okudah. But I also saw how Nick Bosa almost single handedly wrecked our super bowl and this guy is supposedly better? I’m lining him up across Frank and ruining QBs.

Simmons in that scenario

The NFL should demand that every employee and every broadcaster sign an NDA, then delay the broadcast of the draft by at least 1 hour.

This is the correct answer

Nope.

Which player do you think will keep offensive coordinators up at night, Simmons or Young?

If your answer is Simmons, you're dead wrong.

As a safety?

Chase Young but also Simmons.

I’d like Jefferson over every other receiver.

Chase Young, Jerry Jeudy, and Jedrick Wills would all work for me.

Both, Young is a beast no doubt about it.