PFF grades Chiefs O-line second best in NFL

So Brett Veach then, considering the Chiefs are currently 16th in the NFL out of 32 teams.

Our team was a perfect fit for Beckham, veach still couldn't get him to come to KC.

We went to back-to-back Super Bowls recently, and we still can get FAs to come here.

Blame the fact that we keep giving targets to bums like DRob and Pringle over Gordon.

Don't blame OBJ for not wanting to come to a place where he won't be utilized properly.

oh come on, Beckham has to think that he would take all those targets away from everyone not named Hill and Kelce.

We have 10-12 targets a game just sitting there for the taking. The entire league would buzz about how OBJ turned the chiefs offense around.

Maybe OBJ didn't want that kind of pressure? Maybe the Chiefs didn't really try? There certainly has been several FA's lately that we missed on. How in the **** does a team that's going to 2 Super Bowl straight struggle to get Free Agents? They should be lining up. :banghead:

Not everyone wants to live in Kansas City.

Small market team in the midwest. The polar opposite of where he went. What's that saying? Location, location, location. Both are contenders. He's gonna be a WR3 at best and probably WR4 in either place. I can see why he went to LA. Especially if money isn't a high ranked factor.

Seriously, man.

Dorsey's unemployed. Has been for over a year. You should give him a call and talk how much it would take for him to let you suck his dick.

It's all you ever talk or think about. You only live once. Just go ****ing do it.

why would he think that?

Juju went back to Pittsburgh. Gordon can't get targets.

This offense is notoriously difficult to learn for WR's. They have options on routes too, and if they make a different decision than Mahomes, it's ugly. So until you can, you don't play, or you only play in certain packages.

And why the **** do we want this guy anyway? I don't. Guy is always hurt. The last meaningful stats this guy threw up was also the last time Gordon did.

I'm sure we made a call; I also doubt we were too aggressive about it.

Beckham wants to be the #1 or he bitches.

This is a terrible fit for him.

It's also a small, midwestern city and he chose L.A.

This isn't hard, and is only nefarious if you're looking for something to fit a narrative.

I'm about to add him to my ignore list. It's really tiresome.

Possibly. He went to a huge market with tons of celebrities and media.

Detriot Lions
John Dorsey - SENIOR PERSONNEL EXECUTIVE

Lol that's worse than being unemployed

Pretty sure he meant GM. If he was so all world Detroit could have hired him as a GM.

That's like the OC of front offices. He's 1 step away from being the athletic director at Todd Haley's highschool.

Like **** we were, lol. Patriots and Saints were probably better fits than us too. In terms of what he's after.

Does anybody know if SPARQ scores will track kneecap biting?

Everyone said the same thing when John Dorsey took the GM job in Cleveland. The Browns are where coaches and GMs go to die.

Cleveland won 3 games, 1 game, 0 games in the 3 seasons before Dorsey, 3 seasons after won 7 games, 6 games, 11 games(1-1 in playoffs)

Dorsey did what nobody had been able to do, fix the Browns.

Before Dorsey, Cleveland only had 2 winning seasons after Modell moved the team in 1996.

And they still fired him. What does that say about him?

It says that Cleveland will find a way to totally botch their success

KC fired him as well, did they botch their success? Why have the other 30 teams not brought him in to be a GM?

The guy has a dream job that thousands of people would kill to have, and there are only 32 of them in the world. He's had that opportunity TWICE. Most guys only get one chance.

Why did he get fired twice? Is it because he's just that unlucky and worked for ownerships who were extremely fickle about dumb shit and didn't care about his so-called AMAZING results?

Or is it because he's a ****ing psycho?

By the way, how about that Baker Mayfield pick? And that Odell trade? What a smart, efficient, awesome GM! Why couldn't we have kept him??!!!

Thuney, Creed and Trey beasting
Noah Gray making good blocks and scoring
Ingram beating
Darrell Williams beasting
Sneed beasting

Burrrrrttttt!

Oh and Nick Bolton another TFL LMAO

Pump the brakes.

He's having a good game in the passing game but we've been talking about how free the yards are for a RB coming out of the backfield in the passing game for weeks. Mahomes is finally taking that option and look whats happening. Williams has 20 yards of green grass in front of him every time he catches the ball. He made a great play on the TD and he can posterize that play for his wall when he's out of the league in a couple years. He still sucks.

Funny how this roster isn’t nearly as bad as people were making it out to be after the first several weeks.

Whatever was wrong with this team had very little to do with Brett Veach, it was just a convenient time to trash him.

Chief Fan wants Brown to change positions?!? What in the actual ****?

It's just CP. This place is insufferable when we're under .500

This place is home to some of the worst "football minds" I've ever seen.

I honestly think it was Tyrann being a huge distraction.

In his press conference after his comments about the fans, he said himself that he needs to stop being a distraction. He’s HIGHLY respected and when a guy like that is in a poor state of mind, it bleeds off to everyone.

We’ve seen the pendulum swing the opposite direction now.

I will say that Veach’s worst decision IMO was not Speaks. It was Clyde.

Holy shit the talent we passed on for a midget RB that is struggling.

Tee Higgins
Jonathan Taylor
Laviska Shenault
Michael Pittman

Fortunately this years draft has been excellent and some pieces of last years draft have been too

Laviska Shenault has done absolutely nothing. He lost his starting slot WR role to Jamal Agnew. Even Clyde has been more productive.

I'd agree, Shenault has been disappointing. What about the others?

And the Jags suck. I’m not putting that on Laviska. I’d easily take him here.

I think a lot of that is Urban Meyer. Shenault had 600 yards and 5 TD’s as a rookie.

Clyde has been extremely disappointing this year. Maybe he comes out of it, but regardless of that fact it should be a lesson to never draft a RB in the first rd unless they are a trike elite prospect

I'd say taking Hardman over DK EVEN if people say Hardman was a Hill replacement...still don't agree.

DK would of been the perfect WR to pair with Hill.

Best you can say on DK is others passed that up to. But yeah, seemed an obvious and perfect fit and compliment to Hill.

If you go back to that draft instead of using hindsight, Hardman was the guy they were targeting for a while. And they werent the only team targeting him. The Chiefs traded up to get him and there was at least 1 other team looking to trade up to get him aswell, I believe it was the Jets.

It turned out to be a miss, but it didnt come out of left field.

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LMAO like Metcalf was this surefire prospect we just didn't take. Dude had red flags all over his draft profile. Poor agility. Nonexistent route tree. Lack of production. Serious neck injury.

More secondary weapons in Sandbox! Wooooo!

And 30 other teams passed on him.

I’d rather have McLaurin.

What? Dude, not even ****ing close. Speaks was by far the worst pick.

He went 46th overall. We traded UP to 46th, too. Clyde went 32nd. That's only a difference of 14 picks. And Clyde at least as value to the team. Speaks sucked his rookie year, was nonexistent in his 2nd year, and got ****ing cut after his 3rd training camp. CEH, barring injury, will be playing until the end of his contract, and he'll probably just be ok.

Disappointing? Yes. Worst draft pick by Veach? I don't think you can just say, "Look who we could have had!!!!" You have to factor in what the goal was in taking him. CEH wasn't risky necessarily, but we were banking on him being the missing piece that would achieve God mode. That's completely understandable. And I'm over the "never take RBs in the first round!" bullshit. It's the 32nd overall pick. It's barely the first round.

Speaks was a tub of goo that we targeted all draft long, and all he ever became was a worthless bust who failed in every measurable way to be a positive contributor when the team really needed him (our shitty Sutton defense). The rationale for the pick was shit, the player was shit, and it was pretty obvious to just about everyone how ****ed up of a reach that pick was when it happened.

He clearly can't draft. I mean, you couldn't get the #2 and #3 guys as well?!? WTF?

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Can he hold onto the ball? Judging by your last game that's what you need

Bork laser is elite.

One thing consider about Veach is that he is young and learning and not set on any ways like so many other GMs in the league and he thinks outside the box. He is only going get better and fix mistakes and keep making this a championship team.


Keep doubting Bret Veach.

I swear the people who doubt him either forgot or were not fans during the Carl Peterson era or the Pioli era or the pre Carl era.

You go to hell and you die!

!@#$

What I like about Veach is that he never stops rolling the dice.

Yeah, some of his moves haven't panned out; but it's not like they were stupid from the start...except maybe Speaks. That was maybe doomed from the start.

but the guy moves on and rolls again and never stops trying to improve the roster.

Is there a nastier interior OL in the NFL than Thuney-Humphrey-Smith? Nope.

Metcalf had a limited route tree but he ran 4 routes at an NFL elite level.

Ruggs had 1 elite route.

Metcalf projected to be a #1 NFL WR...and I did say NFL teams would question him going top ten. I thought he was a 1st rounder because you don't wait on guys like that.

McLaurin also should have went earlier. 4.3 speed and ran every route with precision. Bigger TY Hilton.

He's up to 12th or 13th

Smith is such a mauler and has a massive nasty streak to him. That guy just cannot be fun to play against at all.

I'm still shocked he fell as far as he did. And that with as far as he fell, he still got drafted.

Either you're confident in the medicals and you trust the talent, or you don't. And if that many teams took him off their board, it's surprising he just didn't go undrafted. He seemed like a guy who should've gone no later than the 3rd or not at all. Even the Chiefs have something to answer for there when they're taking Kaindoh, Gray and Powell ahead of him.

But hey, all's well that ends well...

Fenton
Sneed
Gay
Bolton
Humphrey
Smith

All above average draft picks playing really well. Clyde and Thornhill aren’t quite to that level IMO but they’re good players.

I’ve been really impressed with our draft picks lately. It has really helped us get better, especially at LB.

2022: Salary Cap goes up $26MM
2022: Mahomes salary goes up $28MM

mind blown

Good point. Whatever money the Chiefs have will primarily stay in house with the extensions of Brown, Tyreek, and Mathieu all on the table. Pick up a WR2 in free agency, draft some D, and the dynasty is alive and well.

Getting rid of Hitchens, Clark, letting HB walk... LDT's contract officially comes off the books...

Should have some cap room next season to sign some guys...

Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and say we'll be fine.

Brown will be the one that will cost us to re-sign.

I think they let HB walk.

I think Tyreek will be the one costs us the most. He will be in his prime and should/will get Top 5 WR money.

Thornhill sure was playing very well at the end of his rookie season, before the injury. He hasn't made it back to that level yet, but maybe he can in the future. Clyde is nothing special, but can be decent if used correctly, IMO.

IMO, they should.

Agreed. I think if KC wanted him long term, they would have signed him by now. I think he wants more money/years than KC is willing to give.

He's free to test the market. His value may not be what he thinks it is with his age. If the money isn't far apart then he may as well stay in KC.

I think HB's leadership is worth way more than people are estimating. You can't quantify how much he makes Sneed, Fenton, Ward and Thornhill better - but I bet it's significant. Look at how much better he made Dirty Dan (until this year when the wheels fell off). And he's really damn good himself.

I think you pay him unless someone else is willing to just completely break the bank for him.

I'm thinking 16 million. Not sure what our cap will be or what Brown wants. Kinda scary.

Maybe give him a real 4-year deal so he can get more guaranteed money and close out his career as a Chief. He's just one of those special players who I don't think will ever pull a Berry or Houston and start phoning it in.

He may become a pain in the ass if we start losing, but I like that a lot better than whatever Berry was doing his last few years.

Gonna be tough, especially if KC wants to keep Brown and Tyreek (which they almost certainly will). If it comes down to paying Tyreek or HB, I think Mathieu walks.

Tyreek will get around 22-25 mil a year and deservedly so. Hell he’s a possssion WR now 😂

I'd rather keep HB than Brown if it comes down to it. Brown still struggles with speed rushers which really ****s with Mahomes' game. We don't need a dominant run-blocker at LT. We need someone more nimble like Fisher.

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Age alone says otherwise.

Keeping an aging safety over a decent young LT? Yikes.

Keep Brown if forced to chose.

I'd keep both but dunno if it's the wise choice.

We do have cap space but I think they’ll be using that primarily on Brown Jr and Ward

I believe It'll be pivotal what's opinion and evaluation because Patrick had change his playing style for him

He had to change his playing style because of opposing defenses too. It all mixes together. I'm sure that will be part of the eval as well.

I'd rather not go through the pains of breaking in another young LT.

Because you're probably not going to find a reasonable/good starter in free agency. And we HAVE to stop trading our 1st round picks. No more trading for vets. That shit has to be done.