You gotta Belize...I mean BELIEVE man!

Juju gonna get 1000 yards and 10 TD's...

And I wouldn’t be surprised if he signs a new contract with us next offseason.

Agree. If he blows up, I think he's going to stay and the Chiefs will gladly pay so long as its a fair deal.

Competency.

If they single him up, beat it and give Mahomes a target.

If they double him up, run the route precisely and pull guys out of the passing lanes.

If they go zone, find the soft spots and get big for Mahomes to throw at.

If the play breaks down, keep running and get in his eye line.

He does those things, I'll be happy.

EDIT: And catch the ball.

Ju Ju will have better stats than Hill and cost 27 million less.

He looked good in the clips training with Mahomes.

So is Hardman at least somewhere close to that. He is a burner an going make plays. His consistency needs to or will improve but I just think he is going be more impressive this year without Tyreek getting all the balls thrown to him. I think Patrick is going be a better quarterback without Tyreek because he is going be looking more for the open guy instead of forcing it to Tyreek.

I think we will have a more fluent and balanced offense with run and pass and remind us of the Dick Vermeil years only with Trent Green on Steroids that can avoid pressure and be a bigger threat outside the pocket.

playing against air?

I think you're wrong with most all of this. I do agree that Hardman will play a bigger role in the offense this year. But make no mistake, Tyreek will be a huge loss...

Vermeil ran the ball and passed to RB's a lot. He had Priest. Andy does not run the football and CEH is no Priest Holmes.

Yeah if we had that type of run game we’d destroy people in 2022

I’m optimistic for the run game this year, but there’s no way they are 2003 level

I think KC is a team with an elite QB, elite coach, elite TE, top tier OL, and some average skill players mixed in. The defense is a question mark. Secondary has potential and the LB are solid, but the front 4 is a clear weakness that must be addressed with whatever resources Veach has available

If we draft a WR early then Hardman will be our #4 and strictly be a gadget only player barring injury to someone ahead of him.

So, if we throw a lot to the only real proven WR on our roster, we're in trouble? Interesting take.

Was it the 11.2 ypc in 2021 that you feel like Juju just can't possibly match?

I doubt that.

Hardman's the only WR that's been here, in this system, for multiple seasons.

he'll play.

He's not a guy you can put on the line to run routes, because he doesn't get through press coverage very well.

All of the jet sweep stuff, all of the WR screen stuff, and anything slot or where he can get a free release off the line-basically all the scheme stuff that we did with Tyreek can go to Hardman. He's not the deep ball tracker or route runner that Hill is, but he's got similar speed, and is deadly in the open field as a ball carrier. All of that schematic stuff will be Hardman's now, and that's probably perfectly fine.

Yep. IMO, it all points to big trouble if they can't improve the defense to something other than mediocre.

If they’re garbage we will struggle to make .500.

Even a great offense can be done in by poor defense (Fouts Chargers, Brees Saints, etc). I’m hoping KC can get a CB3/4 in the draft and whichever receiver we draft is a breakout player (600+ yards receiving). It’d also help to get production from a rookie TE, or maybe even a late round RB.

We need to draft an edge rusher but it’s unlikely he’ll tally more than 5 sacks on the season. But we need to get one. I think we’re going to have to rely on the defensive back 7 and hope for the best (kind of like the 2016 defense except we’ll have a much better passing game to support them)

So basically, he'll be a gadget guy.

Defenses across the league literally changed how they played defense just to stop him. And even with them doing that, his Y/R was still only 0.7 lower than Juju's career Y/R.

And yes if we give the same number of targets to a wayyyyy less talented guy, the results won't be good.

Except teams took away Tyreek and the deep ball entirely and the offense struggled massively for their standard for about 6 weeks.

Then they struggled again in the 2nd half vs the Bengals.

It’s almost like they were way too top heavy and guys like Pringle and Robinson could easily be covered 1v1 making it easy for defenses to drop 8 and double Kelce/Tyreek knowing Andy won’t run the ball.

Andy still won’t run the ball but we can stock up our receivers to not entirely rely on one of them to get us out of a jam

I mean yeah. That's why we went into the off season with WR2 as a big need. Teams changing their entire defense for one player is a good thing. We just couldn't (bad WR2s) exploit it and sometimes like in the Bengals game we could exploit it and either chose not to (coaches not running the ball despite 5+ ypc) or because Pat literally couldn't play. I don't get why people are acting like teams selling out to stop Tyreek was a bad thing. No, it was great, but we just made it bad by not doing simple shit to punish them for it.

Oh btw he’s going to go for 1,300 yards+ and 9 TDs

That was Andy's coaching error abandoning the run game and utilizing KC's hoss O-Line

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man, there are some really terrible takes here.

You would think this Chiefs team will struggle to make .500

Yep, it is like they forgot that JU JU used to beat us up and down the field when we played the Steelers.

CP has a lot of arm chair QB's.

I think he ends up becoming a fan favorite sooner than later. If I were to guess I think he ends up signing an extension here after the season. The ‘23 free agency WR pool is trash as well, so I’d imagine Veach would rather just secure Juju on a reasonable deal and know he has some consistency in the WR room going forward rather than trading big assets for a new investment.

Not to mention the overall culture change Veach seems to be looking to implement with this next chapter. This team is going to look and feel quite different going forward than what we’re used to. Just a lot of new youth and personalities throughout this team and it’ll be interesting to see which faces and names consistently pop up when “leaders” are brought up but Juju has a chance to solidify one of those spots.

Typical chiefs planet.

This is going to be a prime example of competition bringing out the best in a position group.

Juju and Hardman are both playing for a big FA contract and Jujus deal is pretty much all incentives on playing time and production. Both should be as motivated as possible to earn every snap they can get and make the most of every opportunity.

MVS has an “underproducer” attachment to him, I’m sure he will be working to get rid of

Imo Skyy Moore is the best WR we have and the coaches will have a hard time not having him on the field at all times. He’s going to push everyone else to be on the top of their game to earn playing time.

Justyn Ross has a chance to be the big bodied game changer we’ve needed for years and may end up giving us 2 pro bowl quality WRs with different skill sets from the draft/UDFA class.

The cream will rise to the top and I’m excited to see what Pat does with all this talent while Kelce just feasts.

Couldn't agree more.

I have zero concerns about the offense. None. It's going to be a little different, but fun as hell. It will feel like its 2019 all over again in some ways.

Juju, MVS, and Skyy all producing in Andy's complicated air offense, especially Skyy as a rookie?

I guess I'm worried about it taking 6~8 games for Juju and MVS to figure things out. And a year+ for Skyy.

I hope that's overly pessimistic and Hoover's optimism is warranted.

Still not convinced Juju is going to produce anything more than Sammy Watkins numbers

Are we talking playoff numbers? Because I'd be great with that.

Yeah, I'd love to see these happen again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7OpAHYzxh4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S8Rpr7SNQE

I don’t care too much about his numbers. I just want him to do enough to pull DBs in to respect the short field. If he does that (and I think he will) this is a home run. If he’s Sammy Watkins that can stay healthy that’s awesome. But I’m more excited about the underneath stuff he can do way better than Sammy.

Juju is going to have 1,400 yards

i honestly think we are discounting the fact that Ju-Ju was catching passes from Big Ben on the decline, and without Brown, hurt his stats. :thumb:

He will have 100+ catches

i think, barring injury of course, the top 4 guys will average between 80-90 catches each. :thumb:

The only WR still on the roster, declared dumb by CP. Then 3 completely new to the system will run a system to complicated for them...okay

When you watch his tape from his first few years he was absolutely electric. Good hands, fast, physical and ran clean routes to get open. No receiver in the game would have produced much with the Steelers back up qb's and a noodle armed Big Ben on his last legs imo. I think this WR core is gonna surprise a lot of people tbh.

sure hope you're right -but, I'd throw about 500 bucks the opposite way. Hope you're right and I'm wrong though.

He's playing for a big deal. Probably not with us, but still. I expect a really solid season from him. Barring injury an 80 catch 1000 yd floor.

These guys are already working with Pat snd getting the playbook digestible to attack early on while developing the diversity of the attack as the season matures.
It all depends on if he can stay healthy. Just like Sammy, but when Juju has been healthy, he has been consistently effective in an offense that has had similar concepts as ours. When Juju was putting up impressive numbers, it was with a big strong armed QB that bought time for his guys to get open and threw to the open man with accuracy and zip.

Defenses will only be able to use Mahomes tendencies in game prep to a certain extent and will have nothing else to base their game plans on. There is no film on how this offense will operate in 2022 with new talent everywhere you look.

Think about how ****ing dangerous that is.

Andy will likely have at least 7-8 games before opposing defense start to catch up.

If they ever do.

Dude.

I’m not sure you understand the term “floor”

His “floor” is 150 yards and reinjury

I’ll just say it again. 52 pages later

Juju is going to be so damn good with us and is dropping 1.2 - 1.5k yards and 11-15 tds next season.

Low 1.2 and 11 tds
High 1.5 and 15 tds

Take it to the bank I’m telling ya

wow guys - i hope you all are right! I like the optimism

I don't think you understand the concept of personal opinions. You may not like it, but that's his opinion.

Dude.

I'm not sure you understand the phrase "barring injury".

As in, "Barring injury an 80 catch 1000 yd floor."

His floor is getting hit by a dump truck in a k-hole with a .24 BAC.

His ceiling is 2,000 yards and 20 TDs.

I’m not entirely sure how I missed that. My bad. Must be getting old

I get that their first experience doesn't start in September. But still...

Some of the optimism... Especially with Skyy, since rookie WR's seem so slow to produce in Andy's offense.

I'm not thinking the WR group is going to a flop. But I just wonder if it isn't going to be a slow start with so many new faces one of which is a rookie.

If it won't be a while before Andy and Mahomes are able to really use the full playbook and full audibles while keeping everyone on the same page.

Practices aren't always the same as real games with opposing defenses that bring different skill sets and situations.

Again, I hope my expectations for the start of the year are unduly pessimistic.

He’s going to be Patty’s security blanket at WR position

Dude is ****ing jacked holy shit

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Where’s Skyy Moore?

He’s always been huge

Sky has a hammy, JuJu has a grutes

Who the **** is Watson

did we make a trade with green bay? ;)

If healthy and with an actual NFL QB (which he'll have, of course) Juju is a lock to be a 1,000 yard receiver.

It's just what he's already shown. He's 25. There is no reason to expect anything else.

The question will be his health.

Other than that, he's going to put up numbers.

Justin Watson played for Tampa Bay Buccaneers as a special teamer for 4 seasons.

In 4 years he has a total of 23 catches, 258 yards, and 2 TDs

He has good size and speed and might make the Chiefs 53 man squad if we need him as a special teamer.

Age 26, 6-3, 215 pounds, and 4.44 40 time

Tom Brady's friend. DO NOT WANT.

Losing Tyreek is tough. really tough. But man alive, did we elevate the other five WR spots.

And it's not out of the realm of possibility that JuJu could 100% replace Hill's production. Both have had 1400-yard seasons.

Maybe production but I doubt he will have the impact and respect that defenses had to employ on Hill to hold him around the 1400 yd seasons. So even if he does will the other guys have the same type of production... doubt they will face the same coverages as they would if Hill was on the field. On a positive note they are a more talented group.

Our offense is now designed to defeat shell coverages, but we still have the players to stretch the field if need be.

You know, other teams manage to get their WRs open without Tyreek Hill on the team.

It IS possible…

People have become infatuated with a 4.2 40 time. They think you can't be a great WR in the NFL unless you run like a ****ing gazelle. Oh my God, we don't have Tyreek blazing down the field anymore, whatever shall we do! Our WRs will suck!

Meanwhile, Cooper Kupp ran a 4.62, Davante Adams ran a 4.56, Diontae Johnson ran a 4.53. Stefon Diggs ran a 4.46, Deebo Samuel ran a 4.48, Mike Williams ran a 4.54, CeeDee Lamb ran a 4.50, and the list goes on and on...

Every one of our WRs runs at least in that range.

And I've heard that other teams can generate a pass rush without spending 25% of their salary cap on the DL but I haven't seen it.

Its taken a while to come to the realization that... yeah man I'm low key very excited to see how this new WR group shakes out

Losing Reeks dynamism sucks, but having a much deeper murderers row of evenly distributed talent is an idea thats time has come... Veach threw the kitchen sink at WR, and Mahomes is gonna love it IMO

And Hardman is just below Hill speed.

hardman is skinny fast, not muscularly fast.

i wont miss tyreek per se, and hardman is going to get his opportunity, but ...

reek can go from 1-100 in any direction at any time.

hardman can only get to 100 after a run up in a straight-ish line.

he won't dante hall ya like tyreek does.

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There’s a reason that he’s Hardman and Hill is Hill. Tyreek is a little faster and shiftier, and he tracks the deep ball better. But Hardman is pretty elusive in his own right, and he can get you a lot of YAC and get open downfield. I think people will be surprised by how effective Hardman can be without a player like Hill taking most of his opportunities.

You gotta have guys on their rookie deals.

I mean, that's it, really.

I don't think there's any question that Hardman was drafted in a bit of a panic move to fill Hill's spot when it looked like Hill was going to be removed during the whole baby-mama drama.

And the physical reality is this: They're similar players in their usage. At their size, you kind of need to have them at 'Z'. They don't line up ON the line, but a yard OFF so that they can get an extra space for their release. Neither is going to be big enough to power through press man.

Hill is more muscular, and might be the most well conditioned athlete we've ever seen. I mean, seriously. It's ridiculous. But functionally speaking, Hardman has a very similar skill-set.

Both have had and Hardman will continue to have a lot of manufactured touches; jet sweeps, WR screens, etc. Both are very good runners with the ball in their hands. They do it differently, but we saw last season down the stretch what Hardman can do. He's less of a jitterbug, and more of a cut once and fly runner, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Hardman is not the deep ball tracker that Hill is; and that's the biggest functional difference. If teams sit in two deep shells, that doesn't really matter anymore-we saw last year that it's possible to just flat remove that part of the arsenal if a defense is willing to commit to it.

i am on record that the top four receivers for KC could each average up to and over 80 catches :D

Well ya. You got to hit on enough of your rookie deals and not whiff on too many big time veterans.

I get that and I was mostly being sarcastic.

I think trading Hill was the right move and I am cautiously optimistic about the WR group down the road. I am nervous about it starting out the year slow, but nothing to do about that now. Bringing in another player wouldn't really change that. I guess another veteran could probably learn faster than a rookie but whatever.

I think JuJu is likely being drafted too late in fantasy football although that could change with pre season. I think he will finish the year strong and people will be saying, duh Mahomes, high ceiling duh, why didn't I...

On the other hand, I don't see that with Skyy. If he breaks the precedent of rookie WR's in Andy's offense... Great. But I ain't drafting Skyy on my fantasy team...

There is no doubt to me they drafted him to get a receiver who could do the special Hill things in the offense if they didn’t have Hill.

And he also was most productive as a rookie in the stretch where Hill was out.

Count me interested and optimistic to see what he can do when used that way for all his snaps.

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