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Rainbarrel 11-12-2022 02:21 PM
That and Fitzmagic lead to the end of Palmer in Cincy. Then new life as a Raider in 2012

Hammock Parties 11-12-2022 02:22 PM
oof

bengals fans saying carson's arm went south after the UCL

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And then he threw air balls the rest of his career.
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Also pretty much ended the Carson we would know. Never was the same player again.
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He 100% was still not the same guy. Airballs.
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I remember the Cowboys game being a disaster for him. The stats don’t really show it but I remember watching and he just didn’t look good.

JustDíqLix 11-12-2022 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16596531)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I didn&#39;t remember Carson Palmer&#39;s 2008 UCL injury correctly. <br>I thought he just missed the rest of the year (12 games), but he hurt it week 3, sat out week 4, played week 5 and then he sat every week afterwards.<br>The team kept him &quot;week to week&quot; all year.</p>&mdash; Goodberry (@JoeGoodberry) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoeGoodberry/status/1590810800083636224?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 10, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

the one game he tried to play with it longest pass play was 25 yards

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...0810050dal.htm
The comparison of Palmer to Allen is lazy.

Palmer tore 75% of his UCL. He said was having trouble hitting receivers 10 yards from him. He said it was like someone was sitting above him and just shooting his passes out of the air. He flew to NY and the doctors told him that he needed surgery but her refused and just let time and scar tissue heal the issue. He had a bad injury - should have had the surgery.

That’s a lot different than the rumors we hear about Allen (minor UCL sprain and he uncorks a 70 yard pass on the money).

Rainbarrel 11-12-2022 02:25 PM
Chip chip chip

Hammock Parties 11-12-2022 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by JustRyan (Post 16596547)
The comparison of Palmer to Allen is lazy.

Palmer tore 75% of his UCL. He said was having trouble hitting receivers 10 yards from him. He said it was like someone was sitting above him and just shooting his passes out of the air. He flew to NY and the doctors told him that he needed surgery but her refused and just let time and scar tissue heal the issue. He had a bad injury - should have had the surgery.

That’s a lot different than the rumors we hear about Allen (minor UCL sprain and he uncorks a 70 yard pass on the money).
we don't know the specifics....it could be CLOSE to the same

"minor" is a murky term that can be massaged to mean whatever you want it to mean

a sprain is a tear, just a lesser tear

the key factor, is playing going to make it WORSE? if so, they are playing with fire

Rainbarrel 11-12-2022 02:30 PM
Rivers every preseason champ campaign, may get him on to the HOF

JustDíqLix 11-12-2022 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16596555)
we don't know the specifics....it could be CLOSE to the same

"minor" is a murky term that can be massaged to mean whatever you want it to mean

a sprain is a tear, just a lesser tear

the key factor, is playing going to make it WORSE? if so, they are playing with fire
I don’t think a 75% tear that absolutley needed surgery and the player refused would ever be deemed “minor”.

The most telling part to me is that Palmer said in an interview that he lost his velocity. He said they were ducks just falling out of the sky. Compare that to Allen throwing one of the longest in-the-air in NFL history.

Pasta Little Brioni 11-12-2022 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 16596504)
Except this injury is not relevant to his play style.
Doesn't matter. Eventually he will get hurt running around. This is different. This is even worse considering it's his throwing arm.

Nickhead 11-12-2022 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by JustRyan (Post 16596581)
I don’t think a 75% tear that absolutley needed surgery and the player refused would ever be deemed “minor”.

The most telling part to me is that Palmer said in an interview that he lost his velocity. He said they were ducks just falling out of the sky. Compare that to Allen throwing one of the longest in-the-air in NFL history.
that was in the heat of the game with adrenaline taking over. now he's settled down since the game, things could be different? :D

Pasta Little Brioni 11-12-2022 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by JustRyan (Post 16596581)
I don’t think a 75% tear that absolutley needed surgery and the player refused would ever be deemed “minor”.

The most telling part to me is that Palmer said in an interview that he lost his velocity. He said they were ducks just falling out of the sky. Compare that to Allen throwing one of the longest in-the-air in NFL history.
Show me him throwing like that in practice. Because WE TOLD YOU ALREADY that it's not uncommon to be able to throw like that IMMEDIATELY after the injury. Daquix you're a lazy troll.

Pasta Little Brioni 11-12-2022 02:48 PM
He can't even throw a football right now

RaidersOftheCellar 11-12-2022 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother (Post 16596597)
Show me him throwing like that in practice. Because WE TOLD YOU ALREADY that it's not uncommon to be able to throw like that IMMEDIATELY after the injury. Daquix you're a lazy troll.
He clearly can't grasp that simple point.

KCUnited 11-12-2022 02:52 PM
Lot of failure to grasp things in Buffalo right now

srvy 11-12-2022 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 16596277)
Who was that? Was he that big guy that played for Kentucky?
Yes, its Jared Lorenzen also formally a NY Giant.

Pasta Little Brioni 11-12-2022 02:57 PM
Hearing multiple rumblings directly comparing the injury to Palmer.....uh oh. Straight down to the week to week bullshit uh oh again

Nickhead 11-12-2022 02:59 PM
what was allen's contract numbers? ROFL

(depending on severity and longevity of injury, this will be a good case study to determine how salaries impact productivity post injury)

RaidersOftheCellar 11-12-2022 03:01 PM
This is what an accurate 65+ bomb looks like...

https://i.imgur.com/AsQUmlN.gif

PHOG 11-12-2022 03:03 PM
I hope Josh Allen has an injury clause.

JustDíqLix 11-12-2022 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16596631)
This is what an accurate 65+ bomb looks like...

https://i.imgur.com/AsQUmlN.gif
Mahomes is amazing.

Coochie liquor 11-12-2022 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 16595710)
He gets warnings and booted from threads from time to time, so nothing new there (it wasn't a GDT, ftr)... the 2 weeks is for the love letter he sent me afterwards (but has probably had it coming for a while anyway).
Omg!! Makes sense!

arrwheader 11-12-2022 03:22 PM
Bills didn't elevate another QB for game

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arrwheader 11-12-2022 03:31 PM
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/...eNhGOavww&s=19

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arrwheader 11-12-2022 03:32 PM
Lol makes sense hey you can grip the football so I guess you can play!!

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Sofa King 11-12-2022 03:40 PM
Bet he has a terrible game. He was already playing poorly, this won’t help.

Pasta Little Brioni 11-12-2022 03:42 PM
Now he'll run around like an idiot even more taking EVEN MORE hits he shouldn't be taking. This may take another 5 years off his career.

tredadda 11-12-2022 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother (Post 16596590)
Doesn't matter. Eventually he will get hurt running around. This is different. This is even worse considering it's his throwing arm.
With him getting hurt eventually we are in agreement. Just not agreeing that this current injury is a product of his play style. It’s an injury that could happen to any QB.

Tribal Warfare 11-12-2022 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 16596607)
Lot of failure to grasp things in Buffalo right now
It's denial and being delusional about Allen's situation.

JustDíqLix 11-12-2022 03:52 PM
Wow! Looks like Allen is playing!

Let’s gooooooo!

Coochie liquor 11-12-2022 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by JustRyan (Post 16596640)
Mahomes is amazing.
God I miss Reek. Oh well, it’s in the past. But damn those moments were amazing!

Pasta Little Brioni 11-12-2022 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 16596684)
With him getting hurt eventually we are in agreement. Just not agreeing that this current injury is a product of his play style. It’s an injury that could happen to any QB.
I agree with you. What I'm saying is that's even worse that he's having elbow problems ASIDE from the extra hits.

Pasta Little Brioni 11-12-2022 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 16596689)
God I miss Reek. Oh well, it’s in the past. But damn those moments were amazing!
Hall of fame that got greedy and traded a legacy/dynasty for money. Makes me appreciate Mahomes and Kelce so much.

tredadda 11-12-2022 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by arrwheader (Post 16596661)
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/...eNhGOavww&s=19

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Matt Barkley. Now that’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time.

PunkinDrublic 11-12-2022 03:55 PM
Bills Twitter is in full panic mode, a lot of them are pushing him to play because they know this season is their best shot at winning a Super Bowl.

Pasta Little Brioni 11-12-2022 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic (Post 16596696)
Bills Twitter is in full panic mode, a lot of them are pushing him to play because they know this season is their best shot at winning a Super Bowl.
This is the start of how several NFL careers have been ruined.

Coochie liquor 11-12-2022 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by JustRyan (Post 16596686)
Wow! Looks like Allen is playing!

Let’s gooooooo!
Where you seeing that?

Pasta Little Brioni 11-12-2022 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 16596723)
Where you seeing that?
Pulled it straight outta his ass

CasselGotPeedOn 11-12-2022 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 16596723)
Where you seeing that?
They're not bringing up another quarterback.

comochiefsfan 11-12-2022 04:37 PM
Never seen a franchise more reckless with their star qb.

I get there's a lot of desperation for a championship up there. But they really like playing with fire with this guy.

PunkinDrublic 11-12-2022 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother (Post 16596698)
This is the start of how several NFL careers have been ruined.
Well this is the hazard of going all in for one season. The Bills are now a house of cards and if Allen further aggravates his injury it could set their franchise back a couple seasons.

Rainbarrel 11-12-2022 04:41 PM
Micah Hyde to the rescue, then just spread 'em

Oops just the last part

PunkinDrublic 11-12-2022 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 16596770)
Never seen a franchise more reckless with their star qb.

I get there's a lot of desperation for a championship up there. But they really like playing with fire with this guy.
Same stupid shit with the Chargers, they beat their chests over Herbert going back into the game hurt and throwing a strike but they really risked a long term career shortening injury.

Rainbarrel 11-12-2022 05:00 PM
Allen used to be McAllen. His wake will be something else rowdy

MahomesKnows 11-12-2022 05:13 PM
Hopefully Allen plays and has another bad game resulting in a loss.

Coochie liquor 11-12-2022 05:20 PM
Reddit seems to think he starts tomorrow. If so good for him, glad it wasn’t as bad an injury as some feared. Don’t want any excuses when KC wraps up HFA again.

MarkDavis'Haircut 11-12-2022 05:20 PM
Risking further injury is foolishness.

ptlyon 11-12-2022 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Carr4MVP (Post 16596816)
Risking further injury is foolishness.
:old:

Coochie liquor 11-12-2022 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by JustRyan (Post 16596686)
Wow! Looks like Allen is playing!

Let’s gooooooo!
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Originally Posted by Carr4MVP (Post 16596816)
Risking further injury is foolishness.
The bottom line is the only people who know how bad the injury is/was have been as tight lipped about it as possible. Everything else is just speculation, and hope I guess. They obviously felt he was good enough to not bring up another qb. I bet he wasn’t that injured to begin with, and it’s been lots of gamesmanship from McDermitt.

JustDíqLix 11-12-2022 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 16596723)
Where you seeing that?
Bills didn’t call up their PS quarterback by 4pm today (the deadline).

That means either Allen is playing or Keenum has no backup.

JustDíqLix 11-12-2022 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 16596770)
Never seen a franchise more reckless with their star qb.

I get there's a lot of desperation for a championship up there. But they really like playing with fire with this guy.
Well, Bills kinda went “all-in” this year. They’re pretty much maxed on the cap, they signed Von Miller, some players like Ed Oliver and Gabe Davis are going to want to get paid this off-season, and we have a lot of free agents next year: Edmunds, Poyer, Morse, Saffold, Singletary, Jackson, Crowder, Lawson … just to name a few.

The Bills were supposed to win the SB last year, but a horrible coaching decision and amazing QB ruined that. They need to win it this year.

Wisconsin_Chief 11-12-2022 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by JustRyan (Post 16596857)
Bills didn’t call up their PS quarterback by 4pm today (the deadline).

That means either Allen is playing or Keenum has no backup.
Or Allen will be the backup and only play if it’s an emergency.

chiefzilla1501 11-12-2022 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 16596822)
The bottom line is the only people who know how bad the injury is/was have been as tight lipped about it as possible. Everything else is just speculation, and hope I guess. They obviously felt he was good enough to not bring up another qb. I bet he wasn’t that injured to begin with, and it’s been lots of gamesmanship from McDermitt.
Sorry, I do not understand. You say this as if Andrew luck and Chad Pennington didn’t create serious almost career ending injuries because they rushed back too soon. Or as if we aren’t a few weeks away from tua telling doctors he was ok when he undoubtedly had a concussion.

We’re talking about a regular season game from a team who is close to a playoff lock. It feels irresponsible to me. The player is always going to insist on playing. The coach has the discretion to sit a player even if everything technically checks out.

Coochie liquor 11-12-2022 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 16596864)
Or Allen will be the backup and only play if it’s an emergency.
Even NFL.com seems to think he starts. McDermitt just played the league for a week.

JustDíqLix 11-12-2022 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 16596864)
Or Allen will be the backup and only play if it’s an emergency.
That’s true. Hadnt considered that possibility.

Still, I think he starts. If you’re willing to play him as a backup (where you could be needed at any moment), then he’s healthy enough to play.

Coochie liquor 11-12-2022 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 16596867)
Sorry, I do not understand. You say this as if Andrew luck and Chad Pennington didn’t create serious almost career ending injuries because they rushed back too soon. Or as if we aren’t a few weeks away from tua telling doctors he was ok when he undoubtedly had a concussion.

We’re talking about a regular season game from a team who is close to a playoff lock. It feels irresponsible to me. The player is always going to insist on playing. The coach has the discretion to sit a player even if everything technically checks out.
Like I said, the bottom line is the majority of what’s been said has been pure speculation. I could be way off base here, but seem to me the Bills took the story that was presented, and let the media/fans run with whatever they were trying to push. They can hold Josh out of practice, even if he’s not too injured and run with the story. It’s mid season, I don’t think a couple missed practices in the middle of the season will affect his play one way or another. The Bills may have just completely played the league for a week.

Coochie liquor 11-12-2022 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by JustRyan (Post 16596875)
That’s true. Hadnt considered that possibility.

Still, I think he starts. If you’re willing to play him as a backup (where you could be needed at any moment), then he’s healthy enough to play.
Didn’t you hear? Von has been practicing at QB? :LOL::LOL:

JustDíqLix 11-12-2022 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 16596886)
Didn’t you hear? Von has been practicing at QB? :LOL::LOL:
Wouldn’t that be something lol.

Spread changed from -3.5 Bills to -6.5 Bills. Vegas knows.

Pepe Silvia 11-12-2022 06:11 PM
Allen is having an injury ritual, they have you fake an injury before you go to the SB.

Coochie liquor 11-12-2022 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by JustRyan (Post 16596890)
Wouldn’t that be something lol.

Spread changed from -3.5 Bills to -6.5 Bills. Vegas knows.
He’s playing. Your team just made a laughing stock out of all the internet doctors. Well played!

Nickhead 11-12-2022 06:26 PM
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Halfcan 11-12-2022 06:54 PM
Josh trying to get the sympathy MVP votes for playing hurt.

Hammock Parties 11-12-2022 06:56 PM
this is a really bad idea, and when allen doesn't attempt any throws over 20 yards bills fans will start to realize it

ForeverIowan 11-12-2022 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by JustRyan (Post 16596862)
Well, Bills kinda went “all-in” this year. They’re pretty much maxed on the cap, they signed Von Miller, some players like Ed Oliver and Gabe Davis are going to want to get paid this off-season, and we have a lot of free agents next year: Edmunds, Poyer, Morse, Saffold, Singletary, Jackson, Crowder, Lawson … just to name a few.

The Bills were supposed to win the SB last year, but a horrible coaching decision and amazing QB ruined that. They need to win it this year.
If you truly have a generational talent and Im sure what many Bills fans consider the best QB in the league there shouldnt be a need to go "all in". Ever.

Pasta Little Brioni 11-12-2022 07:00 PM
I will feel no sympathy if that elbow goes kaput like Caraon

Pasta Little Brioni 11-12-2022 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ForeverIowan (Post 16596975)
If you truly have a generational talent and Im sure what many Bills fans consider the best QB in the league there shouldnt be a need to go "all in". Ever.
To think some morons tried to chide me for saying the Bills were frightened of KC. Dumb ****s...

Rainbarrel 11-12-2022 07:10 PM
The defense will go after that elbow macaroni like Brooke Pryor

Jewish Rabbi 11-12-2022 07:18 PM
This piece of shit get put on IR yet?

Pasta Little Brioni 11-12-2022 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 16597003)
This piece of shit get put on IR yet?
That elbow should blow out by half time. Case Keesum time...

JustDíqLix 11-12-2022 07:48 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Josh Allen coming out for the Vikings game. <a href="https://t.co/wBZf7dWRDx">pic.twitter.com/wBZf7dWRDx</a></p>&mdash; Bradley Gelber (@BradleyGelber) <a href="https://twitter.com/BradleyGelber/status/1591541633446707202?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 12, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

NJChiefsFan 11-12-2022 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by JustRyan (Post 16597041)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Josh Allen coming out for the Vikings game. <a href="https://t.co/wBZf7dWRDx">pic.twitter.com/wBZf7dWRDx</a></p>&mdash; Bradley Gelber (@BradleyGelber) <a href="https://twitter.com/BradleyGelber/status/1591541633446707202?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 12, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Saw that two weeks ago with Toney coming to KC joke.

JustDíqLix 11-12-2022 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 16597100)
Saw that two weeks ago with Toney coming to KC joke.
Toney was hurt?

Hammock Parties 11-12-2022 08:30 PM
josh can't help but let it rip as hard as he can

his ligament is going to explode out of his tricep at some point in the next month like tetsuo's arm

https://media.tenor.com/RRLzTdZ4qZcA...ira-tetsuo.gif

Mecca 11-12-2022 08:41 PM
This is extremely risky..

Also the Bills are telling you this is their only year they think they can win the bowl..they're aksi saying the can't risk not being the #1 seed either..

They're putting their franchise player in jeopardy for it.

Hammock Parties 11-12-2022 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16597138)
This is extremely risky..

Also the Bills are telling you this is their only year they think they can win the bowl..they're aksi saying the can't risk not being the #1 seed either..

They're putting their franchise player in jeopardy for it.
they know the chiefs history with darn near running the table in the second half of the season the last three years

they're absolutely desperate

Pepe Silvia 11-12-2022 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by JustRyan (Post 16597041)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Josh Allen coming out for the Vikings game. <a href="https://t.co/wBZf7dWRDx">pic.twitter.com/wBZf7dWRDx</a></p>&mdash; Bradley Gelber (@BradleyGelber) <a href="https://twitter.com/BradleyGelber/status/1591541633446707202?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 12, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
He’s not really injured, that’s why he ran away when the media came in.

tredadda 11-12-2022 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16597142)
they know the chiefs history with darn near running the table in the second half of the season the last three years

they're absolutely desperate
Or stupid. If he is injured the way it’s believed. #1 seed or not, if they don’t have Allen in the playoffs they are one and done.

Pasta Little Brioni 11-12-2022 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16597142)
they know the chiefs history with darn near running the table in the second half of the season the last three years

they're absolutely desperate
They're piss their pants frightened of KC

Hammock Parties 11-12-2022 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 16597164)
Or stupid. If he is injured the way it’s believed. #1 seed or not, if they don’t have Allen in the playoffs they are one and done.
they're fighting tooth and nail with their division just to make the postseason

gonna laugh when they miss it...I told you guys

Rainbarrel 11-12-2022 09:41 PM
It was all an East Coast conspiracy to cover his fumbles! Never happened before the elbow issue

Lzen 11-12-2022 10:30 PM
So is Allen playing? If so, will he be any good?

I need to know if I should start Gabriel Davis or CeeDee Lamb.

I'm inclined to start Davis because Lamb is going up against a top notch Green Bay pass defense.

Simply Red 11-12-2022 10:43 PM
my buddy who lives in Lockport NY told me earlier today that the town is flipping out and that they're saying Buffalo is being very opaque about everything. He went on to say the people calling into their sports radio were completely worried about what they were NOT being told. I'm just saying what he told me, I hope he'll be okay!


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