Not only cap issues, also if the Jaguars decide to resign Ridley, they will owe the Falcons a 2nd round draft pick as per conditions of their trade but only a 3rd round pick if they don’t resign Ridley.

I think we might be making this harder than it needs to be. Mike Evans is a first ballot HOFer. One of the best receivers of his era. 1,000+ yards every single year of his career. Outside of Brady played with mostly garbage at QB. Coming off one of his best seasons ever.

Prioritize Mike Evans in free agency on a two year deal. Draft a 1st round receiver. Hope Rashee Rice takes a huge leap from year 1 to year 2. Your receiving core goes from the worst in the league to one ofnthe best.

Amen! That's what I'm saying. Pair Evans with Rice and draft another WR in the first round. Bring in Mooney from Chicago or Samuel from WAS.

Youve got 4 living and breating 1st ballot HOFers out there in Reid, Mahomes, Kelce and Evans. So much experience. Get them all to January healthy I like our chances.

Youth, explosion and energy in Pacheco, Rice, Toney, 1st round receiver.

Bring Hardman back and get him back to his role as one of the best gadget players in the league.

What you're describing is Tyler Lockett. He's never had super elite speed, but he's an elite route runner, has great hands, and has that Kelce-like football IQ that knows where to be to get open when the play breaks down.

I don't think he's the splash WR1 we necessary need to pay huge money to, but he could be that vet that we get on discount coming back to the Midwest with hopes of being on a Super Bowl contending team.

Well, this plan is $30m+ per. That's the whole problem.

Signing Evans sounds nice from a "that would be fun" point of view, but its probably got a very small chance of happening.

I don't think Mike Evans accepts a 2 year deal, I think he will want a 4 year deal and at his age, you could be paying for as many years of decline as 1k yard seasons. The Buccs have plenty of cap room, and he has been there his whole career, they have the inside track to sign him and you are going to have to overpay to try and pry him away.

Also, do you really think Rice needs to take a "huge" leap forward??

Well...

the thing is, barring injury, Evans is a guy whose game will be effective longer. He's not a burner, never has been. He uses his size and his football intelligence to make plays.

Now, I'm not certain he's the way KC should go, but he's so consistent and it's not about any physical attributes that are going to fall off.

I am not saying it "will" happen, but the risk of fall off (and the risk of injury) must exponentially increase through a players 30s.

If you gave him a 4 year deal, he would be the same age as Kelce is this year in that final season. I am sure Evans could still be an asset at 33-34 because of his play style, but I am not sure he could be the #1 receiver that people are actually clamoring for.

Guys that get separation are who they'll target.

There's gonna be some guys traded this offseason, Dunno if we'll be involved or not though.

I have a real fear that Rome Odunze ends up in Cinci.

Well I doubt they'll have a chance picking 16. That guy is a legit top 10 draft pick.

And that franchise would be insane to not draft a tackle after their QB has been on IR 2/4 years in the league and 1 of those years they got sent home bc their OL was horrific.

Is that not what we are shooting for? Did the shitty parts not stop us from being the offense we want to be?

I think the shittiest part was WRs who are inconsistent. Not reliable from game to game and more of here-and-there targets. What id like most is WRs who consistently run good routes and a full route tree, can play any coverage (especially man) so mahomes knows he can throw to a spot and the guy will be there.

We also need a stretch the field option so I get that Hollywood would help us out. And I know he does more than Mvs being a pure clearout guy. But I think it's secondary to getting a second reliable target. That reliable target will make our speed options way better. My fear is that with Hollywood we're kind of banking on another inconsistent guy

They can tag and trade Higgins, draft Odunze or another WR and get a T early.

I'd be pissed if they lucked into Odunze like they did Chase, to some degree. I bet they do go WR again the rat f***ers, but maybe they'll choose to finally fix their OL.

That's why we need to jump ahead of them for Odunze. Don't tell me it can't happen, this is when Veach needs to work his greatest magic.

Can they get to #10 with Higgins? If they can convince the Bears to do that, maybe that works. I can't see Harrison, Odunze, and Nabers making it out of the top 10.

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Didn't know he was THAT injury prone. Out on him.

This thread should be called say goodbye to Defense in '24

Agreed.

He's better off signing some where else for a team that will overpay. Chiefs won't do it w those numbers.

Watching Jacksonville today, I think I let Ridley get erased by Sneed color my opinion more than I should have.

The Jags stunk it up, but Ridley looked all the way back.

I’m good with that route if it becomes an option.

Whoa. That's ****ing terrible.

I've been saying that about Higgins for a while now.

Dude is always hurt. If you own him in fantasy, you know it's a roller coaster all season.

I kinda think that’s my choice. They’d still need a deep threat tho

I came in thinking Ridley is probably option 1 for us paired with a Chark, Samuel or hardman? Complete nuclear is Ridley and Hollywood but extremely unrealistic.

If you could have Ridley and Hardman, with Rice....That would be nice.

I think its possible. Hardman should be reasonable if they really think he can be a deep threat. Ridley will probably get a sizeable payday. My only worry is how much does Veach want a 29 almost 30 year old with a good not great history.

Ridley had a bit of a down year so he may actually be a good value.

1k yards and 8 TDs isn't a down year. He'll be very pricey. Probably worth it for us though

He seemed down but when you really look at it I think Lawrence was more down than Ridely. Dude didnt suck. I initially thought the same thing.

136/1015/8 is a pretty good year all things considered.

Ehh, a lot of people expected more. I know everyone that owned him in fantasy was not happy with him for the most part.

I agree with that as a fantasy owner in several leagues lol.

Okay? Fantasy football means jack shit when it comes to free agency. A 1k 8TD WR on the open market is probably going to command 20 million AAV.

Also for his age he's got way less wear and tear on his body than you'd expect. 4 1/2 seasons. Mike Evans is a Year and change older and he's got 10 seasons on his body.

No it doesn't but it still means he came in under expectations. He was also a totally different player with Zay Jones on the field.

Just checked because I was curious. Ridley was drafted as the WR16 in fantasy football drafts, and ended the season as...the WR16.

I think people were hoping they'd get a superstar, but he was drafted later because people weren't sure if he could be all the way back to what he was. Seemed like boom or bust, but instead he came in and produced to exactly where he was drafted.

I think folks were expecting him to explode back to being a 1300 yard, 10+ TD guy and really dominant, like he was in Atlanta. The Jags falling flat in big spots is kind of downplaying the year he had.

Even before yesterday's nice game against the Titans, Ridley had more success than I realized.

That's interesting in the 14 team league I did, he was picked 31st overall.

I mean if you factor in some new player/team growing pains and Lawrence being pretty bad after getting banged up, he isnt that far off.

The only reason I keep pointing to him is the year with Pederson likely means he can transition into our offense quickly.

That and the fact he can be a true outside WR is what I liked. WR's who know the system are Mooney and Ridely. The more I look the more out on Mooney I am. Ridley paired with Rice would be nice. I'm still on the Hollywood does more for less train but currently Ridley is my top ranked available wr. I've started looking a little more and Higgins has a weird history. Not like a bad injury history just hes always banged up. We already have one of those guys. I need to deep dive Pittman even though he probably doesnt actually become available. I didn't watch any Colts this year and have just never been wowed by him before.

Pittman just had a breakout year catching over 100 balls with Gardner Minshew.

Right but is it a true break out or just an absolute force feed? Did he actually turn a corner as a player or did he just have so many opportunities he looked good? Dbowe had some good seasons being force fed. He wasnt a true stud he was the best option on a bad team. Inversely you know a guy like Kyle Pitts is good and talented but they absolutely refuse to use the guy the last two years.

Ridley would be a really good/great get, though I have no idea how that happens. Just superficially, he's going to cost around $20 million/yr, which should mean he's out. Then, his age (personally don't care, was never that hung up on the 30 thing). And he's not a burner like Hollywood. And Veach seems to favor burners and athletes over prototypical WRs with well-rounded skillsets.


But Ridley is an excellent route-runner, often compared to Amari Cooper, who's considered one of the very best route-runners in the league. Calvin can play effectively at all three levels and he can play over the middle; he's not a one trick pony. He isn't Hopkins, but he's got pretty good hands, tracks the ball well, and has good body control.


Yeah, he'd be a great get.

when you say hes out at 20 mil? You are out on him at that? Or think the Chiefs are?

Just a gut feeling, but I think Veach won't go to $20 million/yr.


I mean, what if Veach decides to re-sign CJ? Not for $30 million, but what if something out of left field happens, and CJ agrees to sign for $25 million/yr? And also signs Sneed for say $18 million/yr? This is all pure speculation, but you get the idea, I hope. Veach still has to navigate all the FAs that need to be re-signed (however many that turns out to be), sign a handful of rooks after the draft, blah blah blah, and then somehow find $20+ million/yr for one WR?


Feels a little tight to me is all.


All of that should come with the caveat that I am not a cap guru. I don't know diddly about how GMs do their jobs, and never been interested in figuring it out. I'm simply going by precedent and literally my gut.

With the way todays NFL is I think you'd be better off paying the WR and just plugging DT with a bunch of rotational cheap fat bodies and rotating your DEs inside on passing downs.

I personally think that WR will be priority 1 or 2 depending on how they feel about Morris. After this season I think Veach will want to save face and spend on the problem. Duncan or Kccrow could tell you more accurately how it may shake out but I dont think there will be a hard line in the sand if they feel like a guy can really be a big factor in righting the ship.

I've come around to the idea of signing a couple of solid vets and drafting another guy. The offense would look so much better if they just had Tyler Boyd and KJ Osborn out there instead of MVS, Moore and Toney. I don't think either of those guys are breaking the bank and should be attainable on 2 year deals. Add them to Rice, Kelce and an early WR pick and I think the offense would be humming again. Use the money saved to figure out OL (easier said than done) and retain what you can with the defensive FAs.

I read an article earlier this season (can't remember who wrote it anymore, sorry) where they postulated that KC would have to go the budget team-building route. meaning, that certain positions would have to be budgeted to fit the cap.

In short, high-cost positions, like DT/DE/WR/CB would have to be relegated to players still on their rookie deals/drafted rooks, or short-term low-rent FAs, to allow for Pat's salary.

The pivot would be to spend a little more on critical positions that aren't as high cost, such as LB, S, RB, and TE. The article went on to say that Veach has already begun that process, the example given being IOL, S and LB.

Now, I can't say for certain that the article was correct in all aspects (partially because we've done nothing to shore up the TE/S situation), but when you look at where Veach has spent money and where he's been reluctant to spend $$$, it seems to me that the writer was probably on to something.

Tyler Boyd has largely the same reputation as MVS did when he came here. A critical ball dropper. I’m all for vets but not one his age with his meh production.

Not to be disagreeable, but done nothing to shore up TE and S?

Gray's a perfectly serviceable TE2. And S is a position we take a guy nearly every year, sometimes as high as the second round.

In general, I agree with the article you're citing even though I haven't read it (LOL, par for the course on CP)

It's basically what I've been saying.

It may look like an issue after this year because there's a reasonable chance Reid and Edwards are both gone.

Yeah, I forgot to add: "in my personal opinion, i don't feel like Veach has addressed TE/S in the manner necessary if he's actually going that route." But that's all just personal opinion.

Veach did in fact sign Justin Reid, I just never liked the signing that much. And we do have Gray, I just don't see him as a viable replacement for Travis down the road and would've drafted one of the many very promising TEs from this year's draft.


potato, potahto

Or we could start a slanderous and depraved rumour about Marvin Harrison Jr so he drops to us in the draft.

Jalen Carter was viewed as the best talent in the draft, and he only fell to 16 after getting caught street racing in an incident that cost multiple people their lives.

Be prepared to go real dark, bro.

He went 9th actually.

He was spotted doing unspeakable things with Scho and a male prostitute at 5am under the George Brett statue.

The issue everyone has is that those guys are high end players or high draft picks.

Gray is a fine #2. I'd love to have a better one, but again, gonna require more draft cap or development of a lower end guy.

In the end, everything boils down to taking one here is minus one here. Drafting DE's in the first means you can't draft (insert position). And so on and so on.

I'd argue it's smart to draft positions that cost alot, because duh, draft picks are cheap.

Weird I thought he went like 19. Maybe its a mandella effect.

AJ Brown has scrubbed all eagles stuff off of his socials. Trade time?

Man, id love to say yes but he seems responsible for a lot of the drama in Philly and that would mean he’s wrecked 2 locker rooms.

Wrecked 2 locker rooms?

Mike Evans? (31 in Aug ‘24) Still looks good to me.

He had over 1,000 yards with Baker. With Mahomes he would dominate even at 31.

I’m in. If SR was here, he could DM Mr. Veach and get this started. Come on Red, we need you!

Maybe that’s a bit dramatic but there’s a ton of smoke that he’s responsible for the eagles locker room issues, and he was a bit of a diva on the way out of Tennessee too (although a little more justified). There are definitely red flags

Curious to see what starts coming out in Philly now. Nothing has been right since sirianni shitcanned the dc and put that patriots trash in charge mid season.

I'm sure he's thinking of climbing up NFL records spots at this point in his career. No better place to do that then with Patrick and our WR group. I think a three year deal would be good, Julio Jones wheels fell off hard and he's four years older at 34. You can get prime years out of Evans for the next two years then deal with a fall off year if it happens. Putting Evans in there probably locks Travis in for another year or two, as well as Reid so you keep the band together. You'll have to sell him on the weather in playoff time at Arrowhead vs Tampa I'm sure but in Vartch I trust.

I think Evans is the first target, go get him.

At some point Evans has to be thinking NFL records books, not beating Jerry Rice or anything, but top 10 in categories.

Right now he ranks 33rd in reception yardage at 11680 yards. Him and Kelce are within 5 spots of one another with Kelce at 11328, so they could climb those ranks together as long as they both stay on the field healthy. With one more 1000 yard season for Evans, he climbs to 23rd in front of Antonio Brown, Hines Ward and Michael Irvin. With two more 1000 yards seasons he climbs up to 16th all time, Travis would be right behind him literally at that point in the rankings. With a possibly 3000 yards in the next three seasons, I know impossible to guarantee, he climbs up into that 7-9 range with the likes of Tim Brown, Steve Smith Sr., Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne but in the top 10 all time. You add a Super Bowl ring or two to that resume, he instantly becomes Hall of Fame, first ballot, no question, playing with Brady and Mahomes as well as doing it with mid tier QBs throughout his career.

Get Evans.
Hopefully nail that WR in the draft like you did with Rice, at least a solid 2.
Travis sticks around.
Reid sticks around.
Figure out Sneed, Jones, Tranquil and Gay if he's apart of the plans.
Done.

Wut? That coaching staff lost the locker room from their own tomfoolery, nothing Brown did. Hell, it's came out that Hurts has approached the offensive coaching staff multiple times about how this scheme sucks and they flat out ignored him.

AJ Brown is essentially on a 3 year deal with roughly 45 million if traded for. IF He's actually available I expect Veach to be incredibly aggressive in landing him this time around. Kelce/Brown/Rice would be legitimately insane.

It can be both things at the same time. He’s been on one all season even when they were winning and everything seems to indicate he’s been the ringleader for a lot of the player resistance. And maybe a lot of that is deserved. We’ve had bad stretches and coaching could have been better too, but while frustrations show our players largely don’t take their issues out on each other or the coaches. There’s plenty of red flags that the guy is a lot of personality to handle in the locker room

LMAO There's absolutely nothing that says he's the ringleader. Hell, he's the only one that's actually came out in public support of the staff.

Hurts camp is the one leaking stories about how he and Sirianni aren't on the same page. Brown just wiped his shit clean because he's presumably tired of the organization and it's bullshit. And on the defensive side it's almost certainly Slay Jr driving the discontent. It's public knowledge he and Patricia despise each other.

What an asshole. A real troublemaker in the locker room, this guy.

Brown was the Eagles' "voice of reason this week," per Jay Glazer, apologizing to teammates for failing to publicly answer questions about the club's 1-4 stretch, then calling for players to "bond together" and "start believing in our coaches." His reported rallying cry comes amid increased scrutiny of the Eagles' staff, including head coach Nick Sirianni, first-year offensive coordinator Brian Johnson and recently appointed defensive play-caller Matt Patricia.

If all this is the case....why would he be on the trade block?

I mean, if you have worked with Matt Patricia or played for him and don't hate him, I think your name is Bill Belichick.

Other than that...

He's not?

Yeah, he came out in support of the staff. After being accused of being the ringleader of locker room drama then staying mysteriously silent for weeks only to come out with canned statements after his reputation was getting dragged . There is a lot of smoke behind brown being the main catalyst and a few nice words to the media and leading a few demonstrative private team meetings doesn’t chance that.

He was at hurts’ throat all season even when they were winning. And yeah, his wiping out his social media before a damn playoff game knowing full well the message it sends doesn’t read as being uninvolved in any of this.

It's funny to see the stark difference between our secondary and the Eagles' secondary. Where you hit in the draft so well, while the other team went the old FA route and is getting burned by backup receivers on Tampa Bay.