I think the guy they really wanted a year ago was Anton Harrison tbh. They spoke to him during the combine, brought him in for a visit too. Then he falls in the draft and they wanted to trade up with the Cowboys but it was too expensive. The freaking Jags then snatched him at 27 despite having two starting tackles already and then we were forced to reach for FAU with the first pick. Then we took Morris two rounds later and signed Donovan Smith. Then in the last draft they wanted Mims but couldn't get a deal done.

If DJ performs well they he could be a good stop gap LT for a couple of years and then maybe Kingsley will be ready. The good thing is both him and Morris have experience at RT too so they still might have a chance to replace Taylor longterm if LT doesn't work out.

Yup. There’s a reason why LT is so hard to find. Not many good ones in the draft and they all get drafted high

If the ravens let Stanley walk that would be interesting

Ideally Humphries is a good player here and we sign him for 2/3 years and forget about it

Good grief this is dumb.

It's all the price of success and paying aging players. I'm not saying the paying Chris Jones was a mistake, I'm saying that the Chiefs have a habit of keeping star players past their due dates because it's the feel good thing to do and not necessarily the best for the team.

Companies let good people go all of the time, when I was corporately de-engineered, it was never about my performance, it was just business.

Jones is still an elite player

The thing on defense is that if you have weak spots around elite guys it’s hard for said elite player to make plays

It’s probably better to have a defense full of good players than one loaded with stars and JAGs.

You can shame around a few problems to pick on Jemell Fleming fairly easily.

That’s why the 2021/2022 drafts made last year’s defense so damn good. We had good players all over the field on rookie deals, which allowed us to also afford Jones.

Yep, it's price of success and working like the NFL wants. In the pre-salary cap era, teams with owners who wanted to win, would just buy up all of the best talent. The team is going to have to focus on the trenches, it's not as sexy as a Hollywood Brown however this is where the games are ultimately won. I'm sure most of us can list several very good QB prospects who were ruined because there was nothing spent on the OL. Picks spent on WR, RB, TE aren't very useful when the QB is constantly being hit.

Keep drafting big people

Ol dl keep hitting at those early

Someone will stick

If, and I do mean IF they hit the threepeat, I can see them sacrificing a draft class to move way the hell up and secure a (presumably) can't miss prospect at left tackle. Shore that position up for 4-5 years and press on.

why wouldn't they hold onto Humphries if they threepeat?

You're not talking about an extra late round pick, though. To get up high enough you're talking about a Mahomes-like trade involving multiple first round picks. That's extremely hard to do.

Veach is a creature of habit. If DJ hits i think they sign him back and then kick LT the can down the road until they feel comfortable knowing Kingsley is a total bust. Because right now it's not 100% yet. And drafting three LT's in three consecutive years would be crazy but we'll see :evil: .

They certainly could, but if he comes in and plays at his former pro bowl level, his ask may be too rich for their tastes. I'm sure if Mahomes had it his way, he'd take a vet playing at a pro bowl level at that position over a rookie, no matter how highly touted he is.

I hope that conversation ends up taking place, because that would mean we ended up in the best case possible scenario. We'll see.

Sacc would have loved this post. He loved the fatties

I'd just like to see him play a down before I worry about resigning him.

Does BV? He traded Hill and let OBJ go. Traded Sneed.

Yes, he has sometimes extended players to make cap room, for instance Taylor. But I don't see that as a feel good move, it was to free up cap space.

Really is there anyone outside of CJ that this comment applies to?

If Humphries plays well and they let him walk, it would be an incredibly stupid mistake. I hope to high hell they aren’t that dumb. We cannot continue putting Mahomes through this bullshit year after year. The frustration is starting to boil over again for him, and he showed it on Friday several times.

There are always ways around the cap, and this is one of those situations where you just do what needs to be done. If he shows he’s still the same guy he was pre-injury, we’d be complete morons to let him go at any price with our current situation. Hell, franchise the guy if you have to, I don’t ****ing care.

DT's fall off a cliff pretty fast once the decline starts. He's still an all-pro and maybe next year too. But, that 3rd year....he will still be a leader in the locker room.

Yep.

It's just what we need to do.

His injury history is a real concern giving him a long term deal especially as he enters his 30's. But...... We dont have a choice.

No time soon are we going to get into the top 10-15 picks to get a legit young tackle to groom.

Yeah, we’ve tried just about every other avenue there is. Terron Armstead will be available, but he’s older and injury prone, too. Simply cannot just keep throwing dudes out there and hoping they work out, it’s taking away from Mahomes’ best years.

You pay DJ and hope to high hell he’s at least available when it matters. I just don’t know what else you can do at this point, and they clearly don’t either.

Kingsley is just 21....so you just keep developing there and see what happens.

Three year team friendly deal with some outs would be the way to go. With free agency the talk of a long term contract for Humphries is silly. He's 30 and has some injury history so a few years at a time with the ability to move on without a bunch of cap space wasted. Is any other team going to give him a five year deal with a huge bonus? Probably not.

My brain is Nyquil addled so my thinking isn't the best. Just commenting on past history with rewarding certain players which caused a deficiency later. Yes, keeping Jones was a necessary movie as was letting Hill/Sneed go. Hill was actively seeking a trade and Sneed was going for the money which the Chiefs couldn't match.

One reason for the Patriots success was how TB took less money because his wife made more than he did. They also made a lot of trades of players at their peak value and managed to keep a lot of very good players and trade for others.

Did anyone else see this dude standing on the sideline watching Pat get killed? You could tell he wanted to get in there and help.

Scored off the charts in protective instincts.

The face he made on one of those Wanya whiffs was hilarious. It was like he couldn’t believe a “professional” left tackle was getting smoked like that.

Yeah I saw that too. His face was total surprised look. Kinda sad and hilarious all at the same time.

May be pissed at his agent for not getting more money out of the Chiefs after watching Wanya in person.

Age and injury history, mixed with an expensive price point. If he had a better history of staying healthy, it would be an easier decision.

lol cousins

I honestly kind of wish Veach would double down on improving the LT situation after what we've all watched this season. If Humphries shows he's even average, sign him to a two or three year deal. Then STILL trade two or three first round picks (I don't care, these late first round picks are just as likely to end up as a CEH or FAU as they are a McDuffie or Karlaftis) to get the future left tackle, and sit him and Kingsley behind Humphries and Taylor to groom them to be the starting left and right tackles in the future while not playing them too soon anymore. If Veach isn't comfortable doing that, then at least (after signing Humphries) trade way up for a big time edge rusher to give the DL a major addition.

That's easy to say and all, but nobody really wants to trade a high first for 30 something.

And this team has some holes, and is about to have several more.

You can't just give the next two drafts away.

2 first and a 3rd is what it took to move 17 spots for Mahomes. There is a team in the teens that would take that even if it meant they get pick 32. And if it doesn't, throw in a 4th.

We can't keep talking about his the LT is ruining the offense but then balk at the price it would take to get a good one. Especially since we have an extra 3rd.

And if you believe in Veachs ability to draft, we'll still have 5-6 draft pick he can work with.

That’s great in theory, but there’s still no guarantee that guy will be any good. Realistically, you’re talking about taking the 3rd or 4th best OT prospect in the draft. That guy may well be a good starter, but it’s also not a sure thing.

Make that move, and you have to be right about the guy you pick. Missing on that one would be devastating.

If Wanya or Kingsley never become a starting caliber LT, you didn’t completely **** yourself to miss on them.

And I’m definitely not saying “don’t trade up for one”. There’s a higher likelihood that guy will work out, but you have to be right if you make that move.

The smartest play would probably be to move up in addition to signing whatever somewhat expensive FA. In addition, you keep developing Kingsley. You’d think somewhere in that you’d find at least an average LT.

I wonder how long it’s going to be before the critics understand that thinks what it’s like to draft late every year and have the best won the game on a second contract? We are always going to have position groups that are deficient. It won’t always be LT, but it’s always going to be something.

I'd definitely keep Humphries still. It would be a no lose situation. If the pick is an immediate hit, you can start them. If not, then you can play Humphries and he would help coach up the pick.

This.

Why are we spending pages and pages bloviating about a player by people whom most had never even heard or thought of 2 weeks prior?

JFC, guys. Let's get some competent level LT play, see how the season ends up, and go from there.

People are giving up on Kingsley waaaay too quickly. The talent is there he just needs time to develop.

People just talking waiting for him to play. If he gives up a sack the narrative will change. Be patient!

HoF talents have different aging curves than everyone else, though.

And most HoF caliber pass rushers stay at a damn high level longer than you'd expect. I mean Reggie White didn't even go to Green Bay until he was 32 years old and he averaged over 11 sacks/season for the Packers. That's down a little from where he was in Philly, but he was still an elite player. Guy had 16 sacks at 37 years old...

Jones is going to take more plays off than he used to when he was younger, IMO. But his peak performance should stay at/near what it was at his apex when he turns it on. His issue this season has been a complete lack of supporting cast/complementary pressure. If he's going to get his sack numbers back up into double digits this year and going forward, he's going to need someone like Omenihu to take some heat of him. Or FAU. Or Uche. Karlaftis is just too easy to single up and stonewall right now.

Agreed! But, let's see what he does FIRST then get to that point in time.:thumb:

Dude, if he gives up 2 sacks and 4 pressures, I’d be thrilled! Just give me some shred of freaking hope on Sunday night.

And more $$$$$ and would not have been available.

Franchise LT! He is our last hope in saving Patrick's blind side.

Yeah but I'm just saying the sign this guy "long term" talk will change pretty quick once he's not the second coming of Willie Roaf. It's what people around here do.

They desperately need more athleticism at edge. It just feels like those guys provide something due to their athleticism. Dee Ford would get sacks just from speed alone. That guy affected plays.

It feels like Karlaftis and Felix have to try so hard bc they won’t just blow by guys and beat them with athleticism.

And I think Uche is an acknowledgement that that was missing. I hope we keep Uche at a fair deal next year or find someone early in the draft that fits that mold bc man we just don’t have the juice other edge unless Uche is out there

We need this guy to matter so bad. Crazy to think our 3 peat chances hinge this much on a November pick up

Seems like Beach picks up a player every year and they make a difference.

Yep, Uche should've been the missing piece. Hopefully they give him more snaps because you're right, we need juice. Karlaftis has been a plodding non-entity this year. He just can't win fast, with speed or power. Felix's get off prevents him from getting anywhere near the QB. The DEs have been poor.

Karlaftis can win with power but winning with power takes longer than with speed or with pass rush moves. That's why we need a guy on the opposite side that can funnel guys to his direction.

That’s because they have to have room for Skyy Moore

If you were gonna mortgage draft picks to move up, last year was the year to do it for Joe Alt. Generational player, second generation Chief.

We had the first overall pick and took the best LT in the draft when we got Fisher and even he needed a few years to become a serviceable too 3rd tackle in the league at best. Very few sure things out there but Alt was certainly looking as close to that as possible and his on field performance supported it.

Is he still injured or will we play him on Sunday?


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I think the Chiefs brought in Kingsley as a 6th lineman on a short yardage play and Buffalo used that strategy to run yesterday against the 49ers on some running plays.

Why not (even if Humphries works out ok at LT) run some empty backfield six lineman in passing situations? Put Kingsley on the right side next to Taylor (keeping Taylor at the LOS instead of false starting). You could have some combination of Kelce, Hopkins, Worthy, Gray, Watson, Ju Ju, Mecole or Brown when he comes back as the 4 receivers.

You could also run Pacheco in the backfield on early downs, and play action out of that occasionally. Seems like a way to get Kingsley some reps without being alone on an island.

Alt went #5 overall. There was almost zero chance that the top 3 teams in the draft would have traded out of that spot with KC. The earliest KC could have theoretically moved up to was #4, but with the needs this team had at WR they would not have taken Alt over Harrison Jr.. I highly doubt the LAC with Harbaugh would want to move back to #32 so that KC could draft the best LT in the draft. Sadly Alt to KC was never going to happen.

I haven’t given up on Kingsley. He badly needs reps but right now probably not fixable this season. It feels like a lot of his issues are related to communication and with that a complete lack of confidence. One of the biggest disservices this league has done is limit practice time for rookies to adapt to the nfl. Still, if humphries looks even remotely healthy, we need to figure out how we keep him.

I still think we need to stop putting Jones at DE on 3rd downs. 3rd and long? Sure - that's fine. But these 3rd and 5 or 6 situations where Jones is putting himself out wide only to have the QB unload at the back of his drop is just wasting him.

And I really do wonder if he's doing some of that on his own. I'm sure he's been given runway to make that decision but when he bumped Uche inside so he and Omenihu could play DE on the ONE play that Uche had last week, that really made me take pause.

There's just no way they sent an alignment out there that had Uche rushing from the inside. And there wasn't a stunt called or anything, it was just a straight rush rep and Jones moved Uche over a gap so he could play DE.

It didn't make any sense but nobody is going to tell Jones he's wrong in that situation.

I wonder if BJ Thompson is looked at as that guy as well?

I think Kingsley could be an all pro guard. He is extremely athletic moving forward and side to side. But really struggles to back pedal out kick step. I’m not sure he will get much better with that at this point as it is something he has done for years now. But at guard it will play more to his strengths. At with his size and length he would be really good. He also has 29 reps on the bench showing good functional strength. Have him replace Smith at RG next year. It’s not a big deal. Dallas did it with their first round tackle. The eagles brought Becton in to play RG too.

I think either Kingsley or Morris could replace Trey this year then Thuney next year. By that time Norgrad and Hanson make competent back up interior players. Maybe Driscoll develops to take RT? Humphries locks down LT?

This makes so much sense. Pat doesn't have time to go thru his progressions anyway . Worthy deep should open up the middle somewhat. I should have been a coach. LoL

Not sure what everyone saw from Kingsley that makes them think he could play OG. His number one asset is his feet. He's built for space. If he's not a tackle going forward, he probably doesn't have a spot. He's just not built to play inside. Wanya, on the other hand...

Disagree a bit. His propensity to overset his feet probably won't be nearly as detrimental on the inside if he can't fix that issue.

Spags drafts big guys to set the edge at de. They will have 1 rotational athletic de

He doesn't appear to have the lead in his ass needed to play inside. Like I said, if he's not a tackle, he's probably done here. I just don't see him being a good guard. Center of gravity is too high.

I mean no disrespect, but Kingsley might have some of the worst footwork I've seen from a NFL OL. I'm not sure that translates to OG either, and certainly not All Pro OG. In addition, I don't think he's got the lower base to be an great OG either. jmho

He was not a good run blocker either. His calling card was pass pro.

But we have seen OT’s convert to G and have a lot of success. Mekhi Becton did this year in Philly and has been a huge success story this year.

That’s why I don’t want to pay Trey. RG is not some terribly difficult position to replace. I think Wanya could be fine there.

Agreed. I thought I remembered Veach saying when they drafted Kingsley, it would enable them to do a lot of the stuff they did with Fisher. I took that to mean, him being quick on his feet. And moved well in space. I don't think Guard is in his future. Of the two, I also think Wayna will have a better shot at Guard, if he can learn to run block better.

What concerns me is that really, C ain't that hard to replace either.

I mean look at the Eagles. Cam Jurgens is...fine. 2nd round prospect, solid but unspectacular pedigree. He took over for a HoFer and they haven't missed a beat.

And yet the Chiefs threw $18 million/AAV at the position.

And they seemingly have NEVER put a ton of credibility into the whole 'positional value' calculus.

So I worry that despite the fact that RG is pretty easy to replace, they'll try to hard to retain Smith.

Yes.

We had to reign that freelancing shit in a couple seasons ago too.

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Andy Reid said he hasn't determined yet who will start at LT this week. But he hinted D.J. Humphries, "if he feels OK," will have a chance.

He's our only hope.

Praying this works out.

If DJ wasn't ready we would have signed Donovan Smith.

I still think we should move Wanya to IR and sign Donovan.

Issue is does he want a ring as a backup?

If he wanted to be a backup, he would probably already be in KC.

Riiiight.

"I haven't determined if I want Patrick to finish the season, or end up on IR. I'll know after a few more practices."

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That’s Andy just being a good dude and taking care of his guys in front of the media like always.

DJ is definitely playing. He told the press last week that he’s ready whenever they ask him to go.

Completely agree, Wanya should not be seeing the field anymore in 2024. He and Kingsley need to be redshirted the rest of the year. Even if you don’t sign Smith, Thuney better be your new backup LT. You cannot put these guys back in that spot this year, simply cannot happen.

His neck is probably ****ed. There’s a reason nobody has even so much as wanted him in for a tryout or anything

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I haven't been this excited for a fattie since we activated Pennel for the Titans playoff game after seeing what they did to our defense without him. Kind of unfair to put so high expectations on him but he just needs to be average and he'll be a vast improvement over Kingsley and Wanya.