If they take Julian Love....I’m ****ed. I’ll never hear the end of the Russell comparisons.

Watkins
Hitchens
No Earl Thomas trade (rumor that we also sought other DB trades last year too)
Underwhelming trade comp for Ford
Underwhelming comp for Peters
No comp at all for houston
Huge trade comp for frank clark
Tons of credible rumors of us desperately shopping for trades at spring meetings.

Cmon, are you really going to say that all these deals paint a picture of shrewd negotiation? I know many will make excuses for each of these transactions individually. But how many individual excuses can you make without acknowledging a pattern?

This is going to be one of those threads where people repeat over and over their defense or distaste for the trade. Whats done is done move on this train ain't stopping till the parade.

One positive is that Clark plays hard as ****, all the time. He's also physical as shit. He's not a "play around a guy" type of player.

He's a dog.

We needed dogs.

Cmon... the market is what the market is. Ford was not a good all around player, Peters was a **** stain and teams new it, Houston is a shell of his former self.

So you wanted to pay Houston 21 million this year when, after being released, he got less than 15 mil? You can't force a player to take a pay cut, you pay him or you don't. No one else was willing to pay him that either so he was released.

If the alternative is letting the LBs stagnate to the point we're dumpster diving like what happened with the CBs last year, I'd rather force it now.

I wish Veech was more like Carl Peterson- he out-negotiated every team bringing in Mighty Mouse and Carlton Gray. He really played hardball with Dan Williams- who never played another snap for us. And thankfully he traded that "Young man at risk" Jared Allen to the Vikes to make sure we had no pass rush for 5 years.

Man I miss the Good ol' days.

I'd rather get better talent at Corner or TE or whatever, than take a LB that isn't very good.

these people whining probably work with people that have a history as bad or worse then him

And you're a complete homer if you look at the totality of veachs work and want to sell anyone that we consistently get good value out of our negotiations. Again, I like veachs work including the Clark deal. But he's not a great negotiator and you're putting some heavy spin on a lot of underwhelming deals to make it sound otherwise.

We've asked 20 times what better offers were on the table that Veach passed on.

All we have is a vague claim that somebody wanted to trade picks for a broken down Houston and Veach decided he didn't want more draft picks, or that someone thought Ford was worth more and Veach decided he didn't want more, and - etc

This.

We need some of THAT attitude on this defense. Clark and Honey Badger will certainly help with that.

This team's defense was 'soft' last year (Berry, Houston, etc.). That is why they lost to the Pats in Arrowhead. The defense, in addition to needing a scheme change, needed an attitude overhaul.

They are doing just that.

Ok Swami, Tell us how you would have did things differently, blanket criticism is old.

LMAO

Look at what the guy has done. He is aggressive as hell. Had to remake defense, did.

We’ll see what the results are, but what he’s doing is a lot better than sitting around bargain hunting for value.