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Ocotillo 01-12-2024 12:03 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: Right-hander Jordan Hicks and the San Francisco Giants are in agreement on a four-year, $44 million contract, a source familiar with the deal tells ESPN. Hicks, 27, is expected to work as a starter after spending the majority of his career in the bullpen.</p>&mdash; Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) <a href="https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1745867065670439348?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 12, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

raybec 4 01-12-2024 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ocotillo (Post 17329688)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: Right-hander Jordan Hicks and the San Francisco Giants are in agreement on a four-year, $44 million contract, a source familiar with the deal tells ESPN. Hicks, 27, is expected to work as a starter after spending the majority of his career in the bullpen.</p>&mdash; Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) <a href="https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1745867065670439348?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 12, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Maybe Bryan Price can get more out of him tha we could. It doesn't much matter if you're throwing heat at 104 if it's straight down the middle or way out of the zone.

BigRedChief 01-12-2024 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 17329707)
Maybe Bryan Price can get more out of him tha we could. It doesn't much matter if you're throwing heat at 104 if it's straight down the middle or way out of the zone.

In the 2011 WS run we had a pitcher throwing 98 and that was considered so fast that most hitters can’t catch up with that speed. Now, they can catch up to a 104 mph pitch if it’s flat.

DJ's left nut 01-12-2024 12:25 PM

Hicks fastball isn't flat. Or anything resembling it.

He just has command problems. If he took 5 mph off his stuff and could place it, he'd be Spencer Strider. He just can't hit the glove. If he needs to throw a strike, he can and it's probably a cock-shot. And if he's trying to waste a pitch, it's probably to the backstop. If he's throwing it at the black, god knows where it will end up.

It's just a complete inability to command his pitches. The raw stuff is some of the best in baseball history.

Pasta Little Brioni 01-12-2024 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17329744)
Hicks fastball isn't flat. Or anything resembling it.

He just has command problems. If he took 5 mph off his stuff and could place it, he'd be Spencer Strider. He just can't hit the glove. If he needs to throw a strike, he can and it's probably a cock-shot. And if he's trying to waste a pitch, it's probably to the backstop. If he's throwing it at the black, god knows where it will end up.

It's just a complete inability to command his pitches. The raw stuff is some of the best in baseball history.

Watch...he will flourish outside of this organization

DJ's left nut 01-12-2024 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother (Post 17330034)
Watch...he will flourish outside of this organization

Was largely the same guy in Toronto.

Any changes are gonna be slow coming, IMO. He's just gotta get a different mindset and man, that's awfully tough to ask of a kid that throws shit that works like his does.

"Hey, I know you have arguably the most incredible fastball the world has ever seen but...what if you didn't?"

We can sit here from our chairs and know that he'd be better of trading velocity for command. But man, if I threw 104 mph with slider movement like he does, I'd be pretty hard to get through as well.

And hey, it got him $44 million guaranteed. That's generational wealth, Holmes. Hard to argue with the results...

BigRedChief 01-12-2024 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17330037)
Guaranteed. That's generational wealth, Holmes. Hard to argue with the results...

Yeah, if you can throw a 100 mph fastball for a strike. You will get generational wealth after your rookie deal. As they should. Baseball has plenty of money. Some teams, like ours just don't like to spend it.

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-12-2024 07:00 PM

Hicks is the definition of a thrower.

Ocotillo 01-13-2024 01:54 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Cardinals May Wait On Goldschmidt Extension Talks Until Season Begins <a href="https://t.co/drm1ab0SYd">https://t.co/drm1ab0SYd</a> <a href="https://t.co/7YcCnxUuGD">pic.twitter.com/7YcCnxUuGD</a></p>&mdash; MLB Trade Rumors (@mlbtraderumors) <a href="https://twitter.com/mlbtraderumors/status/1746256203955499108?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 13, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Ocotillo 01-14-2024 11:40 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">John Mozeliak <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cardinals?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cardinals</a> just told us he has 2-years left on his contract and he believes that will be it for him in this particular role.</p>&mdash; Jim Bowden⚾️�� (@JimBowdenGM) <a href="https://twitter.com/JimBowdenGM/status/1746581581433569344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 14, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Pasta Little Brioni 01-14-2024 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ocotillo (Post 17336248)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">John Mozeliak <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cardinals?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cardinals</a> just told us he has 2-years left on his contract and he believes that will be it for him in this particular role.</p>&mdash; Jim Bowden⚾️�� (@JimBowdenGM) <a href="https://twitter.com/JimBowdenGM/status/1746581581433569344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 14, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He should have been fired already.

seclark 01-14-2024 02:50 PM

Dropping piss cakes in the urinals around the stadium would be a good job for Mo. especially during the 7th inning stretch.
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George Liquor 01-14-2024 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by seclark (Post 17336586)
Dropping piss cakes in the urinals around the stadium would be a good job for Mo. especially during the 7th inning stretch.
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He can go change the piss cakes at Patty O's or Horseshoe. Get him out of Busch Stadium.

BigRedChief 01-14-2024 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother (Post 17336570)
He should have been fired already.

Yes, **** that guy. 2 more years? GTFO :mad:

Pasta Little Brioni 01-14-2024 05:16 PM

I wouldn't pay Mo to fill those disgusting helmet nachos


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