This thread got stupid.

It's nice to see Mizzou get a huge road win in the new conference even with a few questionable calls going against them.

Good game.

Nice conference you've got.

So, I assume OU is no longer the best in the big 12.

Baylor is right?

Always been stupid

I read somewhere that they are 1 game away from breaking K-State's record of 24 conference games without a win.

And yes, the Big XII is terrible this year.

They should totally go for it. with Oklahoma and Baylor on deck I think they might be a lock for this

Oklahoma is going to be looking to blow off some steam after getting surprise buttsecksed on the red river

Strange... I heard they were going to get tougher by adding WVU and TCU.

The trolls from your fanbase made that happen a long time ago.

Their defense needs to show something but they get Texas, OU and Tech at home.

Texas got crushed by an SEC bottom feeder, but they're shitting all over the Big 12?

Better call Sagarin

They score an avalanche of points typically from what I have seen

KU lost by only 10 at TCU.

That's gotta be a moral victory.

And they're gonna need em.

Does it really matter what the Big 12 does? Seriously... What a disaster...

TCU beats Kansas 27-17, the Jayhawks’ 21st straight road loss
BY RUSTIN DODD - The Kansas City Star

FORT WORTH, Texas — If it’s true that football is a religion in Texas … well, consider TCU’s 27-17 victory over Kansas on Saturday a 60-minute illustration of gridiron blasphemy.

TCU beats Kansas 27-17, the Jayhawks’ 21st straight road loss

The Jayhawks lost their 21st straight game on the road, and their 23rd straight against Big 12 opponents. But even those ugly streaks couldn’t compete with the sloppy brand of football being bandied about in Fort Worth on Saturday.

You might say TCU won — but it was nothing to be proud of.

There was even a stretch, midway through the third quarter, when it would have felt perfectly normal if the P.A. system at Amon G. Carter Stadium just started blaring the theme from “The Benny Hill Show.” There were muffed punts, and fumbles, and bad offense.

And there was also TCU pulling off this pretty incredible feat. After committing three first-half turnovers, the Horned Frogs coughed up the ball twice more in the third quarter — once on a fumble and once on a misplayed punt return by Brandon Carter — and they still managed to turn a 10-10 game into a 24-17 lead.

Part of that achievement, of course, should be credited to the Kansas offense, which only managed to score 17 points despite those five turnovers. The Jayhawks, which entered averaging 331.8 yards per game, managed just 198 yards of total offense. Freshman kicker Matthew Wyman doinked a 51-yard field goal attempt off the cross bar late in the third quarter. And KU was forced to punt three times during the fourth quarter.

The Jayhawks’ defense played the second half without leading tackler Ben Heeney, who was shaken up and spent part of the second half on the stationary bike. Still, the overworked defensive unit provided opportunities all day — especially in the first half.

Junior cornerback JaCorey Shepherd had a pick-six interception and a forced fumble as Kansas played TCU to a 10-10 tie at halftime. Sophomore safety Isaiah Johnson added a first-quarter interception in TCU territory, setting up a Wyman field goal.

Of course, there was also a KU offense that hop-scotched between ineffective and incompetent for most of the day. KU managed just 100 total yards on 30 plays in the opening 30 minutes. And that total included a 50-yard bomb to receiver Andrew Turzilli, who was shaken up on the play and didn’t return.

Turzilli was making his first start of the season, part of another depth-chart shakeup from KU coach Charlie Weis. The changes also included new faces at center (Gavin Howard) and left tackle (Pat Lewandowski). Howard appeared to be fine at snapping the ball to quarterback Jake Heaps, but the offensive line as a whole was a legitimate mess.

Heaps was under heavy duress most of the day and finished just 13 of 26 for 152 passing yards with a touchdown and an interception. And remember: 50 of those yards came on the throw to Turzilli.

After the Jayhawks, 2-3, took an early 3-0 lead, TCU quickly answered on a quick-strike touchdown drive, taking a 7-3 lead on a 10-yard touchdown run from quarterback Trevone Boykin with 6:50 left in the first quarter. The Horned Frogs added to the lead on a field goal early in the second quarter.

But the Kansas defense picked up the Jayhawks’ struggling offense, and when Shepherd stepped in front of a Boykin pass at the TCU 32, taking the interception back for a touchdown, the Jayhawks had new life.

At least for a half.

It took TCU just 13 seconds into the second half to break the 10-10 stalemate. Boykin found receiver David Porter on a short route that turned into a 75-yard catch-and-run touchdown. Cornerback Dexter McDonald each had an angle to stop Porter, but each whiffed, nearly crashing into each other in the process.

The Horned Frogs threatened to take control after a 2-yard touchdown run by B.J. Catalon with 9:31 left in the third quarter. The scoring drive gave TCU a 24-10 lead, its biggest lead of the game, and the Jayhawks offense still looked incapable of moving the ball.

But the Jayhawks were gifted a terrific scoring opportunity when TCU’s Brandon Carter muffed a punt in Kansas territory midway through the third quarter. Two plays later, Heaps connected with Jimmay Mundine for a 27-yard touchdown.

The Jayhawks were back in it — somehow.

As both teams continued their sloppy assault on football fundamentals, the Jayhawks had multiple opportunities to pull even in the fourth quarter. But the offense remained its staid self. It didn’t help that Kansas played without leading receiver Tony Pierson, or that Turzilli

Now the Jayhawks must move on. And to peer ahead at Kansas’ upcoming October schedule is to see a ghoulish stretch that might as well be accompanied with the sort of creepy music that used to be saved for experimental shock-therapy sessions.

The Jayhawks will play host to Oklahoma and Baylor in consecutive weeks before heading on the road to face a resurgent Texas squad.

They’ll surely hope their next trip to Texas is more enjoyable than this one.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/10/12...#storylink=cpy

The Big 12 got tougher when WVU and TCU replaced Mizzou, aTm, Nebraska, and Colorado.

TCU is not a good team, they turned the ball over 5 times, were 2-11 on third down, and still won by double digits.

rock chalk!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWZP3KxCcAAXJpC.jpg:large

Hi

Nice new stadium.

The fans stormed the field.























Then, they started playing instruments and marching in formation.

According to Sagarin, it's about as good. ATM wasn't all that great in the Big 12 and of course Nebraska ended their last 23 vs the South (not Baylor) at an impressive 5-18. Colorado sucks as bad as KU (they were our last win) and Mizzou never did much outside of a few years at the end.


So those teams really haven't moved the actual data much. In fact MU is 18 in Sagarin and TCU is 23 so that's a wash. WVU is really down obviously.

Big win for Mizzou. Good job.

LMAO

It's a damned shame you weren't around to spin Watergate. Not only would you have nailed Nixon's ass out but you would have had Americans convinced that it was in the Democratic party's interests to have their conversations recorded by the GOP.

You must like getting your shit pushed in, you keep coming back here with dumber and dumber posts.

That's funny, because in the world where the rest of us live all three of these "addition by subtraction" teams will be ranked later today.

KU's last conference win was against Colorado?!

....LMAO........ROFL


I'm sorry, that's just, WOW.

I'm going to say it again: this the best thread going on CP. And it has been for two years. I log in and if this thread has been bumped, it's the first thread I read.

Pretty good win by MU yesterday. Bittersweet losing Franklin though.

Though I admit that I don't care, adding TCU to the Big XII was an absolute disaster. Louisville would have been a much stronger choice.

They could still get Louisville can't they?

That would be a good get

Mindblowing! They belong in the Missouri Valley.

Texas...doesn't even belong on the same field as BYU and Ole Miss...running over the Big 12

Yeah, no. Mizzou is #7 in Sagarin. TCU is #30. That is NOT a wash.

Pretty equal sagarin to Mizzou since they left. (32 vs 40 overall last year). So TCU for Mizzou is a wash so far. I'd have to average out CU + NU + ATM to see if combined is better than WV. I'd imagine its pretty close.

It was 18 to 23 yesterday. You finished behind them last year, we will see how it turns out this (and future) seasons. I'd bet on them.

Nobody kicked you out when you had 15 straight losing seasons 1983-1998. Kansas isn't even 1/3 of the way there yet.

You are 100% correct.


Texas is better then when they played BYU and Miss, but they are still a pile of shit.

They are a pile of shit...on top of nine other piles of shit.

LMAO you are the troll of trolls.

Anytime you want to dispute facts, feel free.

Their last win against a current member of the Big 12 was October 10, 2009.

I'll dispute that it ever happened.

Ya but now that record vs. Pac 12 juggernaut Colorado man.

Eh, they'll win one soon, it has to happen eventually. Gotta have some fun with it while it lasts.

It's lasted longer than the Kennedy administration.

Facts have been disputed and time and time again your shit gets pushed in on this thread. Be gone troll, not even your own fanbase takes you seriously.

Baby Steps. First they need to beat Rice instead of Weis just eating rice.

It's a fact that what he claims happened...didn't happen. It's like he thinks google doesn't exist to disprove his stupid shit.

Kansas talk still dominating the thread.

Good to see. Carry on.

Well, all Kansas has is talk...Mizzou was too busy dominating Georgia.

Maybe yall will win a Big 12 game someday.....

Maybe.

I already said before I think this is Mizzou's year. Good luck

Wait - the other Mizzou fans say Colorado was a huge loss. You're calling them idiots here. Personally I take your side, that they suck. But you won't have luck convincing the others.

Colorado was a big loss...not in terms of athletic success, but losing the flagship school in Colorado is a huge loss. It was a bigger loss than any other major conference took. Too bad it was only the third or even fourth biggest loss the Big 12 has taken, though.

Losing Mizzou, Texas A&M, Nebraska & Colorado has really hurt the Big 12. Is it even in the top 5 conferences anymore?

Yes. It's fifth.

SEC
PAC
ACC
B1G
Big 12

The Independents are better than the Big 12, but you can't really count them.

Well, this is basically the MU/KU smack thread.

I take back everything I said about TCU.

http://coedmagazine.files.wordpress....5255751368.jpg

All depends on whether you believe computer rankings or not. If you do, it hasn't made much difference in the data. Last year the Big 12 was actually made better in Sagarin as the two newcomer averaged a 40 ranking while the four departures were 55.25 (thanks to CU)

Probably worth mentioning that the SEC just broke its own record by having eight team's ranked in the top 25. Congratulations to Alabama, LSU, aTm, Mizzou, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, and Auburn.

SEC gets record 8 in AP's Top 25

The Southeastern Conference set a record Sunday for most schools in The Associated Press college football poll with eight ranked teams.

The Top 25 was shaken Sunday after seven ranked teams lost, including five to teams that were unranked or lower ranked. Stanford dropped eight spots and Michigan fell from the poll.

The top four was unchanged, with No. 1 Alabama receiving 55 of 60 first-place votes. No. 2 is Oregon, followed by Clemson and Ohio State. Florida State moved up to No. 5 to set up a top-five matchup at Clemson next week.

Stanford, which had been top-five all season, lost 27-20 at Utah and dropped eight spots to No. 13. The Cardinal's Pac-12 and national title hopes took a serious hit, though they'll be able to get right back in the conversation next week by beating No. 9 UCLA at home.

No. 24 Auburn moved into the rankings for the first time this season to join No. 6 LSU, No. 7 Texas A&M, No. 11 South Carolina, No. 14 Missouri, No. 15 Georgia and No. 22 Florida from the SEC.

Missouri (6-0) jumped 11 spots with its first statement victory since joining the SEC, a 41-26 win against banged-up Georgia. But the Tigers lost quarterback James Franklin to a separated throwing shoulder. The senior will miss the rest of the regular season, a source told ESPN's Brett McMurphy on Saturday. Franklin's replacement is Maty Mauk, a redshirt freshman and big-time recruit.

The record for most teams from one conference in a regular-season poll had been seven, done many times, including this season by the SEC. The ACC and Big Ten have also reached seven ranked teams in season.

The SEC also had eight teams ranked in the 2011 preseason poll.

No. 12 Baylor is the highest ranked team in the Big 12 for the first time since the league started in 1996, taking advantage of Oklahoma's surprising loss to Texas. The Sooners fell six spots to No. 18.

SEC has three teams ranked with Tigers as a mascot.

The 6 SEC schools that are not ranked: 1-16 in league play.


I'm guessing the writer of that article could've pulled that up in Google just as easily as I did. That league is the ultimate feast or famine group

Yet one of those teams feasted on Texas with a 21 point win IN AUSTIN.

The Big 12 is just one big famine...and KU is the Donner party.

Big 12...2-9 against ranked teams

LMAO

In many years the strength of the teams in the top half skews the bottom feeders to some extent. For ex Mizzou last year could have beat WVA, a bowl team from the Big 12. Not promising they would have, but that would have been a very competitive game in spite of our injuries. There was more depth in the SEC last year than people think. Mizzou played one of the toughest schedules in the country as did a few other schools from our league.

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2012/Intern...games_cumm.pdf

As for this year there is much to play out but it appears the SEC is very good, PAC 12 up, Big 12 down, Big Ten it's usual pile of steaming rotten garbage, ACC up.

I will predict that the SEC's streak of championships ends this year. It has to end eventually, right.

LMAO

The league's perception is hurt right now big time w/ OU & Texas not both being among the elite. In fact it looks as though there are no elite teams in the Big 12 at the moment although Baylor has yet to play anybody of consequence so they are still somewhat of an unknown. Struggling at Kst doesn't necessarily alarm me unless we see them do it again in conference play.

I don't think there's any question that the league was hurt by expansion. Smaller footprint, Fewer "name" programs. Those things speak to perception, which is important and will drive TV $ long term. The #'s they are throwing around right now for the SEC are mind boggling.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...eases/1836389/

Also, recruiting is down across the board

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/footbal...k/2014/all/all

although that is likely due to multiple reasons.

I am w/ the others that think TCU was a terrible add. They don't bring anything to the table the league didn't already possess. I would have taken Louisville. Spinning #'s notwithstanding. WVA OTOH was an excellent choice given available options. They will be fine long term they are just adjusting to not getting to play South Florida and UCONN every other week.

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All that said, the other thing that's important to remember is that the reality is that we've just hit the pause button on expansion. IDK about the where or when but I don't believe for a second that it's over.

It's not really "expansion" when you're talking about the Big 12. That's like calling a gang-rape an orgy.

Alabama looks beatable relatively speaking. The other powers are either dealing w/ injuries or have noticeable flaws. The gap is not near as wide (if at all) between the SEC's elite and Oregon/Clemson/Fla St.

LMAO Kill shot.

9. Bob Stoops helped prove the Big 12 was "bottom heavy" by getting whipped by Mack Brown and Texas.

Is it worth mentioning that the tenth best team in the SEC, Ole Miss, beat the same Texas team that Oklahoma just lost to by 16 at a neutral site, by 21 in Austin? Or is that just rubbing it in?

I'd love for a reporter to mention the SEC's eight top 25 teams, Ole Miss's 21 point road win over Texas, and then ask, "So do you still think the SEC is top heavy?"

LMAO

http://outkickthecoverage.com/starti...ve-in-2013.php

This 100 years of frustration finally being relieved is good for my MU friends. Should be interesting to see where things take them. I feel good for them.