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Marcellus 06-30-2013 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9784511)
Yeah, cause Alex Smith began his ascension well before his 4th season.





Oh.......wait.



2011, the team that Alex Smith plays for just tradede up in the second round to draft a QB,.
What does that tell you about Alex Smith?

Valid point. You think anyone would trade a 2nd for Sanchez right now?

milkman 06-30-2013 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 9784512)
Valid point. You think anyone would trade a 2nd for Sanchez right now?

Was there a team that showed any real interest in Alex Smith when he was available for free?

Marcellus 06-30-2013 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9784517)
Was there a team that showed any real interest in Alex Smith when he was available for free?

To answer your question the team that drafted him resigned him. He had had a rather unimpressive career to that point, I understand that.

Look we can agree to disagree here on both QB's.

I never liked Sanchez coming out of college & I thought Smith was doing what he needed to do and winning games in SF before he had the concussion so I see no reason to change my mind now he is a Chief.

I know Smith isn't Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, or Andrew Luck. I think he is good enough to take a team to a SB, he proved that even though he came up a drive short. Some may disagree with that, I dont care, I believe it.

I would love to have an elite QB, I dont see where Dorsey and Reid had a chance to get one so we are where we are and we have a shot IMO. I think part of the issue this off season is this team whether its just perceived or real has a lot of talented players in their prime to the back end of their prime and they didn't want to just burn the next few years on a developmental QB project which is what this draft had.

The key is that they continue to work to develop a guy long term via the draft, and not just sit on their hands and expect Smith is it.

Coogs 06-30-2013 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9784468)
Next, to Coogs primarily, I believe the thing that separates Joe Montana from Alex Smith is confidence.
The confidence in one's self and the confidence the players around them had/have in them.
Montana believed in his reads, in his ability to put the ball exactly where he had to, and his teamates believed.
I din't believe that Smith was ever going to earn that confidence from his team in San Francisco.
Just too many years of mediocrity or complete suckage there.
He needed a change of venue.
He's got that.
Now it's up to Andy Reid and staff to instill that self confidence.
I keep reading that Smith is a smart QB whose pre snap reads and adjustments are on Peyton Manning's level.
So what happens after the snap.
I'll tell you.
He doesn"t believe in his ability to put the ball where it needs to be in tight windows.
If Andy Reid can get Smith to trust himself, he will back up his claim that he can turn Smith into a HoF QB.
The problem is that I don't believe that's going to happen at this stage of Smith's career.

I'll buy most of that.

Even though the Saints defense was not the best in the NFL, Smith made huge plays when he needed to, both throwing and running.

He opened 6-2 following the loss in the NFC Championship game. I'm not sure if I saw any of those 8 games, so I really can't comment on his performances early last season. Stats seem to indicate he was performing pretty well.

Since he seemed to be getting it... at about the same stage Brees did and where Sanchez is... I'm counting on the change of scenery... and all that goes with that... to put him over the top.

JMO

Coogs 06-30-2013 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9784511)
Yeah, cause Alex Smith began his ascension well before his 4th season.





Oh.......wait.



2011, the team that Alex Smith plays for just tradede up in the second round to draft a QB,.
What does that tell you about Alex Smith?



Maybe a small difference here, but Sanchez's original coaches just brought in a 2nd rounder. Smith's coaching staff was new to the team when Keap was brought in. Bit of a difference none the less.

milkman 06-30-2013 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 9784525)
To answer your question the team that drafted him resigned him. He had had a rather unimpressive career to that point, I understand that.

Look we can agree to disagree here on both QB's.

I never liked Sanchez coming out of college & I thought Smith was doing what he needed to do and winning games in SF before he had the concussion so I see no reason to change my mind now he is a Chief.

I know Smith isn't Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, or Andrew Luck. I think he is good enough to take a team to a SB, he proved that even though he came up a drive short. Some may disagree with that, I dont care, I believe it.

I would love to have an elite QB, I dont see where Dorsey and Reid had a chance to get one so we are where we are and we have a shot IMO. I think part of the issue this off season is this team whether its just perceived or real has a lot of talented players in their prime to the back end of their prime and they didn't want to just burn the next few years on a developmental QB project which is what this draft had.

The key is that they continue to work to develop a guy long term via the draft, and not just sit on their hands and expect Smith is it.

The team that drafted Sanchez gave him a generous contract extension well before he had the opportunity to test free agency.

At the end of the day, neither of these moves mean a damn thing.

Marcellus 06-30-2013 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9784537)
The team that drafted Sanchez gave him a generous contract extension well before he had the opportunity to test free agency.

At the end of the day, neither of these moves mean a damn thing.

True but I would bet $$ had they not gave Sanchez that ridiculous contract he would already be gone in NY. They really tied their own hands with that move.

TheUte 06-30-2013 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 9784535)
Maybe a small difference here, but Sanchez's original coaches just brought in a 2nd rounder. Smith's coaching staff was new to the team when Keap was brought in. Bit of a difference none the less.

Also, he is a 28 year old who has been starting for 8 years.

Kaep is a 25 year who has never started a full season.

Not saying is everything, but it is a factor for sure.

Sandy Vagina 06-30-2013 09:01 AM

Awesome! about 20 pages of tears to read through this a.m. How nice that many spend their offseasons yapping about Alex and keeping me entertained. Proceed! :popcorn:

beach tribe 06-30-2013 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9784511)
Yeah, cause Alex started his ascension well before his 4th season.





Oh.......wait.



2011, the team that Alex Smith plays for just tradede up in the second round to draft a QB,.
What does that tell you about Alex Smith?

It tells me that the 49ers are smart enough to do what all teams should be doing.
Your current starting QB Should never stop you from drafting a QB anywhere outside the first round.
Especially one with 1st round talent.
Im a huge advocate of drafting QBs. Every year.
No matter who your starter is.

beach tribe 06-30-2013 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs (Post 9784546)
Awesome! about 20 pages of tears to read through this a.m. How nice that many spend their offseasons yapping about Alex and keeping me entertained. Proceed! :popcorn:

Set your posts per page higher.
Fewer pages.

milkman 06-30-2013 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 9784535)
Maybe a small difference here, but Sanchez's original coaches just brought in a 2nd rounder. Smith's coaching staff was new to the team when Keap was brought in. Bit of a difference none difference the less.

The difference is irrelevant.
Either way, a statement was made by the moves made in the draft, and. One could argue the stronger statement was made by the 9ers.

Ace Gunner 06-30-2013 09:11 AM

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Alex Smith = 2001 Kerry Collins in many ways. Up & down QB's, both of them, we will see what Alex Smith is gonna do soon, but he played better during the past couple seasons than Collins did during his SB season, so ya, with the right team, Smith can make a SB appearance imo.

keg in kc 06-30-2013 09:14 AM

The real difference between the two is that one of them is here, so he's going to be defended by some until the end of time, regardless of what he's proven himself to be on the field. That's really all there is to it.

And as I've said before, probably dozens of times by now, just to clarify: I don't hate Alex Smith. I hate the trade for Alex Smith. Giving up two second round picks for the guy was ridiculous.

And this whole idea of making him more "aggressive" is also ridiculous. His only palpable quality on gameday was that he didn't turn the ball over. If you take that away - which will happen if he's forced to be more aggressive - then he's basically nothing. He can't, physically, be Aaron Rodger or Drew Brees or Tom Brady any other top quarterback you want to name, because he doesn't have the arm to attack defenses. Not on the sidelines, and not down the field.

And that's precisely the reason I hate the trade: we gave up two seconds for a guy who can't physically do what Andy Reid's offense is going to ask him to do. It doesn't have anything to do with who else was available. It doesn't have anything to do with who I liked in the draft. It only ever had anything to do with Alex Smith himself. He simply doesn't fit.

All along it's looked to me like a situation where a coach fell in love with a guy for whatever reason, despite all logic and reason, and because Dorsey is his buddy, instead of fighting him on it like you would hope a GM would, he not only gave Reid what he wanted, he paid too much for it.

That's, to me, a disappointing first step. It reads like a repeat of 2001 and Trent Green. It reads like a repeat of 2009 and Matt Cassel.

I just hope it ends up closer to Green...

And I really hope that in the end Alex Smith does elevate his game and do things he's never done before at any level, college or pro. Because I don't want to be "right". I just want the team to win. Which is why I'm not thrilled, because this move does not strike me as one conducive to that.

Rasputin 06-30-2013 09:16 AM

I believe only the Chiefs were willing to give up a second round draft pick for Alex Smith. Our top of the third round would have trump any other offer imo. We could have gave up much less to get Alex Smith. Now we risk giving up a second round pick in next years draft just by going 8-8. This hurts our chances to draft a QB prospect that we can build a team around.



Nope I don't see any thing different than what Carl Pioli would have done.


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