Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 13597783)

Again, I hope Moore has the balls to trade someone like Merrifield. As some have mentioned, we may be even worse off than when Moore took over. We don't have any Butlers, Gordons, Greinkes, etc. in our system. Teams like Detroit and Chicago have been able to trade off valuable pieces like Verlander, Eaton, Sale, etc. for good hauls in recent years. We simply don't have much of value to trade, and I doubt Moore has the cajones to deal with the fan backlash from trading a Perez or Merrifield.

Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 13597785)

2 WS Appearances and WS Title is hardly screwing the pooch.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13597787)

He drafted like total shit and has barely anyone left with value due to them either sucking or costing to much...

They also seem concerned about pissing people off so I don't really see them moving Perez even though there is an argument that a catcher his age with that many knee surgeries isn't for long at that position and if he becomes 1B his value declines quite a bit.

Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 13597785)

2 WS Appearances and WS Title is hardly screwing the pooch.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13597789)

I said with the farm system, which frankly he did, this farm system has produced jack squat in years. Even the dudes he traded aren't good.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13597780)

Merrifield has years of control but unless he goes to a team that values his versatility is his value really that high?

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 13597792)

I hope the suck ass trade everybody for draft pick and prospect crowd is happy. Because you really don't need to do that in baseball unlike football and basketball, where you need the top pick.

Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 13597765)

They were, but Greinke was 2 years of a starting pitcher compared to three months of a reliever with Herrera.

The thing with Zack was that people expected "more". We didn't get a "can't miss" ace or a power-hitter, but pieces that all had concerns that prevented them from being top prospects.

Esky, while considered a defensive maestro (a welcome plus after a Yuni world), had concerns that his bat would never develop.

Cain was relatively old for a prospect, and while he was highly regarded by scouts for his tools, those tools hadn't translated to the field and many were concerned that he was too fragile for a full season.

Jeffress was a reliever that was one suspension from being banned from the MLB for life.

And Odo was very young, many issues could have happened in his development, and at the time he didn't have an out pitch.

These prospects were definitely more valuable than what we got back today, but many (analysts included) thought the Royals could have got back "more" for an ace like Greinke. We now know that the scouts found players who were pitch perfect for Kauffman (Fantastic speed, incredible defense, and contact hitters whose hits would more often fall with the K's spacious dimensions). This trade seems in line with what Moore looks for - and considering Soler's recent emergence (injury notwithstanding), I'll be at least hopeful that they can emerge in our system.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13597799)

Houston would like to disagree with you, the Cubs also...or the way the White Sox are rebuilding, tanking is the new way of baseball rebuilds.

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 13597792)

I hope the suck ass trade everybody for draft pick and prospect crowd is happy. Because you really don't need to do that in baseball unlike football and basketball, where you need the top pick.

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 13597800)

They haven't done a great job with the draft, but part of that is the league neutered them by forcing everyone to go into the slotting system. Probably hurt the Royals as much as anyone else. Not that they've drafted as well as they could anyway... but going over slot helped them build an all-time farm system.

Of course, we also could be sitting here today with a rotation of Ventura, Duffy, Manaea and Junis and people would probably feel a lot better about the future of this team. It didn't work out that way.

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 13597802)

Nationals, Yankees, and Cardinals say hi as well. They never tanked.

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 13597802)

Nationals, Yankees, and Cardinals say hi as well. They never tanked.