This is what happened Sunday night. Anyone who sees it differently is a fucking a**hole.

This is a pretty good sum up

The one thing that Alex did poorly was he held on to the ball to long and took some horrible sacks. Outside of that which did really hurt Alex was good against Denver for the most part.

Not everyone gets it yet. Some think he is a winner still.

I was tired of arguing against him when it was a rumor.

At this point I'm an old man playing chess in the park...

I love how the Alice slurpers have now hopped on the PFF bandwagon because they wrote something nice about their messiah - yet when Clay uses their stats to back up his anti-Smiff arguments, then it's a crackpot site that doesn't know shit about football.

You've got this wrong. We think Clay is the crackpot not the site. Can't seem to read the data correctly much less interpret it.

And why are you here? Go troll your own message boards and bask in the glory of having the type of QB Clay masturbates. Or has that gotten old for you after a near-decade of underachievement.

B/c Manning did what he had to do to win. He didn't care about his stat line. He knew he had to get rid of the back early, before routes had developed at all, so he did. It wasn't going to be pretty, but it basically had to be done.

Unlike Alex, who couldn't bare the thought of a hailmary tainting his stat line, so he took what was statistically the worst choice for the team instead, and ran. Add in that he is currently a white man, and you can see why it's so bothersome.

I'm confused. How exactly is Clay misreading PFF's data?

You sure that's the horse you want to hitch your cart to?

Yup. Exactly. What you see without blind anti-homerism.

If it weren't for all the critical drops I think we win that game, or are right in it at the end.

well, there were lots of chances to win that game : 1st and goal inside the 5 but only coming away with 3 pts was a killer...and when you're down 2 scores with 10 min in the game, you can't punt to peyton manning from the 40 and expect to win.

and yeah, WRs are supposed to hang on to the ball. it's their main job description.

Not necessarily true though. I liken it to the momentum of a train. 2011. New coaches, new system... train gets to churning the wheels. Takes all year to get a decent speed up, but it can go faster. 2012. The train is still not full speed, but it is clearly faster than the year before. Train then gets derailed before it can reach top speed.

2013. New coaches, new system... train gets to churning the wheels. And here we go again.

All of these environmental and coaching changes... all of these years. Starting over really puts the breaks on. So by 90 starts.. at least in this case.. still no one truly knows. This is why the Alex Smith career is so fascinating. There are QBs that quickly excel thanks to good surroundings... there are QBs that quickly flame out due to poor surroundings or mental flame-outs. There are QBs that get determined to be backup-quality-only after a few years. The reason Alex has stuck around and survived it all is due to the circumstances around him being at fault.. and the coaches see this.

It could easily be that, given the chance, Smith turns his 2013 80 QBR into 2014 90+ QBR. He may even get it up there or close by the end of this December.

No one can really say... but what is clear is, you don't "know exactly what you have." The jump from SF's 2011 to 2012 offensive efficiency was just too large to ignore. People said that 2011 was the best Alex could ever be... yet wrong again. The KC offense should be excited and encouraged to get that in 2014. A full offseason and some upgrade at WR and OL, and this team can compete for the playoffs for years.

You are ****ing dumb ass go away. This is a Chiefs board not the the ****ing cry'ners.

And Your home boy is ****ing 26, not a rookie.

lol, only you think that. Guy is average at best

JFC

So what is the current excuse we are debating for Alex?

Is it the OLine excuse? WR?

It has been the OL in the weeks before we played Denver. The vibe I have been getting from the Denver game is it was the WR. So count on this week against SD either the playcalling or the OL. Our offensive struggles can't be due to Alex Smith, it never is.

The number of dropped passes has grown everyday since Sunday night. Listening to Petro and Teicher yesterday, you'd think balls were careening off receivers shoulder pads and clanking off facemasks the whole game.

There was some encouraging play by Alex Smith in the 1st half, definitely. He made some throws early that he had not been making for most of this season, and it seemed to open up the field in the second quarter. Funny how when teams respect you throwing the ball down the field a bit, the short passing game and running game open up.

Second half - really the third quarter - it seemed like the offense regressed. And it didn't get going again until the Broncos had a 17-point lead with 7 1/2 minutes left (garbage time).

The drops hurt, obviously, but I think it's a stretch to say the Chiefs win without the drops.

Alex Smith played better, but he still needs to improve a lot. And the biggest issue remains the throws he chooses NOT to make because of his extreme risk aversion (even when they are throws he CAN safely make/has the arm strength and accuracy to make).

I can completely respect criticism when done with some fairness.

He played far from a perfect game, that said the loss can't be put solely on AS.

The dropped pass by Avery was big, I think that one play changes the game.

That one play let a little doubt creep in and they can't let that happen.

And on the flip side of that when WRS are dropping balls or the Line is allowing guys to come unblocked those things never hurt the offense it's always Alex.

LMAO

"Bowe dropped that one pass 7 times. What an idiot!!"

OP wins. Close thread.

The Chiefs are #6 in the NFL in dropped passes. Guess who is #5.
http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/t...iving&rank=232

What player leads the Chiefs in drop passes? Jamaal Charles with 7. A 1/3 of the drops are coming from the running back position.

Denver's amazing WR core - Decker has 7, Welker has 6.

McCluster, Avery, Fasano have 3 drops.
Bowe has 2 drops.

Bowe's drop percentage is tied with Jason Whitten and Pierrce Garcon.
http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2013/

Didn't you just get finish saying that Alex is average? Isn't that a bit different than "did, does and will always suck"?

Peyton Manning would be a good QB if only those Denver receivers could hold on to the ball. I guess Denver needs all new WRs as well, since they have more drops than the Chiefs.

# of passes dropped is a useless stat unless you include the number of passes thrown.

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/st...rcentage/2013/

KC is #4 in terms of team drops % Denver i

To you, maybe. To those of us who don't have a mancrush on Captain Checkdown, he's about as boring and vanilla as it gets.

I said mediocre I think. But shits old. He isn't throwing for 350 yards and 3 TD's and he isn't throwing for 120 with 3 picks either. Same shit different week.

There's also a sharp distinction over clear drops VS what most perceive as "pretty much dropped."

For a guy so highly paid as Bowe is, he sure let's a lot of passes get into his body.. which coupled with poor separation leads to quite a few "knockaway" passes. Cutting his routes flat + not attacking the ball when defenders are on his back.. yeah, expect better from a "star" WR.

All of this is not to say that the QB is without fault at times... but he's not getting the help I expected from his "star" receiver. Jamaal Charles loses focus and drops some short passes that really make one scratch their head over. Some are insignificant dump-offs likely to gain few yards... some, more critical.

If the clear or otherwise close drops were less... if the OL rankings were higher... if the O-penalties were less... then you have to look at the QB to assume more blame for lack of efficiency. This just isn't the case. If these aspects improve, as they did for SF in 2012? well then you have a top 5-10 offense in efficiency... and then you would reasonably look at the QB in a different light. ( at least most would... some will hate regardless )

A better word would have been POLARIZING.

me·di·o·cre


/ˌmēdēˈōkər/


adjective

adjective: mediocre



1.



of only moderate quality; not very good.

"a mediocre actor"




synonyms:

ordinary, average, middling, middle-of-the-road, uninspired, undistinguished, indifferent, unexceptional, unexciting, unremarkable, run-of-the-mill, pedestrian, prosaic, lackluster, forgettable, amateur, amateurish; More


informalOK, so-so, ‘comme ci, comme ça’, plain-vanilla, fair-to-middling, no great shakes, not up to much, bush-league

"a mediocre performance

The drops did kill us against Denver. However Smith was still pretty mediocre on his own. He needs to do a better job of moving within the pocket to give himself time to throw. Seems like he only moves when he is going to scramble.

We'd likely be having a VERY different conversation if two of those drops were made.

The Vikings passing game really is the model for what you can do when receivers don't drop passes.

And Denver goes from a spot ahead of the Chiefs to 5 spots below... oh noes.

Thanks. I should have said amateur.

Among all 32 starting NFL quarterbacks, Alex Smith is exactly average or mediocre. Other good synonyms you posted that aptly describe Alex are unexceptional, unremarkable and lackluster.

He is a good, middle-tier, 15th-20th ranked NFL starting QB. There is no shame in that. He is better than roughly half of all NFL QB's. That is a hell of an achievement for any athlete pursuing his lifelong dream. He just is unexceptional when compared to all 31 other starting professional NFL athletes at his position.

In other words, mediocre. Chiefs fans knew this going in -- well, the ones who didn't write him off completely.

It's certainly a better cart than Smiffy.

You should actually be going off of his drop percentage. 3.5%......less than A.J. Green and Calvin Johnson.

His percentage of targets caught is 57.9%....higher than Green and Johnson.

The bigger problem with last weeks game was what happened to the offense in the 3rd quarter.

LMAO.

if everything else is perfect THEN and ONLY THEN could it maybe be alex smith's fault


GTFO

So exactly when does it become not a Alexuse or us homers making shit up.

When does dropped passes actually affect the outcome of the game and O-line actually matter to you?

Apparently no one the 53 man roster count for anything.

You GTFO, it all counts you can't hang shit on one player its just stupidity to try.

Only a true potato could translate "needs perfection" out of that post. Yeah, you can GTFO dumbass. :thumb:

really?

why should everything else have to get fixed to evaluate the most important position on the field?

you are another dumbass.

and niners fans on a chiefs board telling a life long chiefs fan to gtfo is classic.


****ing idiots.

Just thought i would check in and see how the "alex will always suck" thread is going.

Carry on.

This.

OL - Alex Smith takes a bunch of sacks. Did in San Fran and does in KC as well. He is taking more than Cassel did. Clearly its the OL fault.

WR - Drops. Apparently not dropping the ball that much when Charles is the main cause.

Guess where the blame should be directed at for the offensive struggles. #11.

funniest post of the year was maverick's about kaepernick.

"Its not the oline, its not the wrs, its not the oc or the playcalling, its all on kaepernick"


but swap positions and its everything BUT alex smith.


**** all these guys.

"It's a team game" is a classic excuse for Alex.

Nevermind that many of the same people who use that excuse claim that Denver would suck without Manning.

Can't have it both ways.

Denver would be just as good with Alex Smith as they are with Peyton Manning. Both QBs are just managing the game.

like I said these guys are ****ing idiot hypocrites

But the reverse is true?

Who's "he"? We were talking about a team stat.

4th vs 10th?

you don't think that's quite a bit different? Especially when you consider that one is a future hall of fame QB and the other is a good QB at best?

I wouldn't say Peyton Manning is a "good QB at best."

Bowe. Everyone wants to complain that he drops everything. Look at the stats....he ****ing doesn't.

A difference of 0.7%.

Broncos -- 410 * .056 = 22.96 drops

Do the same for the Chiefs.... 410 * .063 = 25.83

So, no, I don't think those 3 drops over 10 games is quite a difference. Considering one is a HoF QB and the other is Alex Smith AND considering the Smith fans' argument that it's the receivers' fault, I'd expect the Broncos' percentage to be much lower.

You can't argue the offense is being held down by drops more than Smith's play AND argue the Broncos' stat is better because of Peyton Manning.

Nice. LMAO

look at the pats.

o line isn't too good, wrs are all young and drop tons of balls, TE? one hurt one in jail...


7-3 STILL.

Advancednflstats.com has Bowe at 52.1% catch rate. That's lower than everyone on the team except Brock, Kenkins and Hall. He ranks 67th among WRs in the NFL. As does Sporting charts...where are you getting your data?

http://wp.advancednflstats.com/playerstats.php?pos=WR


http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2013/

Yeah...maybe mediocre would be more accurate.

Again with the comparison to a HOF qb. I'm not sure about the line comparison..I think the KC line is worse...but Pats do have more drops. Probably a better comparison of what a HOF QB would look like vs what Smith is doing.

I am in no way a Cryniners fan, I can't stand them.

All I'm saying is that shit is very rarely as simple as "AS sucks and that's why the Chiefs lost". There where are a lot of factors in the lose and if that is too complicated then I'm sorry.

So are you arguing that all drops effect the game the same.

Cause all drops are not created equal.

Of course not, I was responding to what was posted. If there's some stat on clutch catches/drops, whether it's 20+ yard passes, 3rd down passes, in the endzone, etc; it certainly has a chance to help his point more than the percentage of drops... :shrug:

It will never end. You know that it will never end. For a middling sports professional player, he really has a polarizing effect on groups of people.


http://b.vimeocdn.com/ps/135/999/1359994_300.jpg

And also the catchable balls that don't quite fit into the "drop" category but still should have been. But we didn't go there.


BTW, does anyone have access to a "bad passes" stat...couldn't find one. I'd be curious to see how Alex looks on that. Seems like there are a number of over thrown passes and passes that were wide....almost looks like Alex was expecting the reciever to be somewhere else..which might be true part of the time, but I'm sure a number were simply off.

so are you really going to keep that signature? Because it is looking like he is going to be correct on that score...

I would like to see that stat.

The Avery drop hurt, Receivers just have to make those catches.

The drop seemed like points lost.

Look, you know he isn't good. There are arguably 20+ quarterbacks in the NFL that are better than him. He has always taken a massive amount of sacks, that pretty much cancels out any blame that goes on the OL and Charles is the one dropping the passes. Why? Because Alex Smith throws to the flats every ****ing time.

No Alex Smith cock sucker can answer the simple question as to why Dwayne Bowe was looked at coming into the season as one of the better WR in the league, and now with Alex Smith everyone thinks Bowe is a chump. Has the guy had one game with more than 70 yards receiving yet? This is no coincidence. Alex Smith sucks.

Please leave, for me.

I was wondering the same thing about NinerDoug

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...2&postcount=22

You could probably come up with something for 3rd down reception % but It's going to be pretty hard to find stats on dropped passes based upon air yards and I don't see how you're going to find stats on drops that would have resulted in a TD unless you sit and watch every single drop that happened and make your own opinion...which will likely be flawed unless you can identify all the dropped ball plays...because there will be likely a few incompletes that you'd call drops that weren't designated as such.

Just more slowly than he anticipated? :shrug: :D

It's true Bowe hasn't looked very good (but I think that will get better)...Fasano and McGrath on the other hand has been looking like a studs compared to what everyone would have expected.

Perhaps the answer is somewhere in the middle?

obviously you are a smith fan and delusional

the comparision is to a good QB.

you know just like you are here telling us smith is...

Oh..so he's only good...he wont' go to the HOF? Puhlease.

did I say he wont go to the HOF?

trying to find a qb in a comparable situation this season to compare their play.

this season it would be brady.