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Marcellus 06-30-2013 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9784709)
I'm not sure why the 25 pass number is being brought up. Andy Reid isn't going to ask him to throw it more than 25 times a game. He's going to ask him to throw it more than 35 times a game.

How does anyone know what Andy is going to ask Alex to do?

SAUTO 06-30-2013 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 9784719)
How does anyone know what Andy is going to ask Alex to do?

Past tendencies
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keg in kc 06-30-2013 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 9784719)
How does anyone know what Andy is going to ask Alex to do?

Deductive reasoning?

Donovan McNabb

1999 18 attempts/game
2000 36 attempts/game
2001 31 attempts/game
2002 36 attempts/game
2003 30 attempts/game
2004 31 attempts/game
2005 40 attempts/game
2006 32 attempts/game
2007 34 attempts/game
2008 36 attempts/game
2009 32 attempts/game

Michael Vick

2010 31 attempts/game
2011 32 attempts/game
2012 35 attempts/game

milkman 06-30-2013 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9784734)
Deductive reasoning?

Donovan McNabb

1999 18 attempts/game
2000 36 attempts/game
2001 31 attempts/game
2002 36 attempts/game
2003 30 attempts/game
2004 31 attempts/game
2005 40 attempts/game
2006 32 attempts/game
2007 34 attempts/game
2008 36 attempts/game
2009 32 attempts/game

Michael Vick

2010 31 attempts/game
2011 32 attempts/game
2012 35 attempts/game

What about AJ Feely and Jeff Garcia?

BossChief 06-30-2013 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9783008)
And for the record, SNR had the decency to apologize for all of the rhetoric, make a "truce" and act like a normal guy again.

I know that it's far too much to ask that of SweetDaddyDUMB****, because well, he's a dumb**** and there isn't a soul on Chiefsplanet (or probably planet earth) that thinks otherwise.

But for ****'s sake, I really thought that BossChief and GoChiefs would at least say "Oops, I was wrong. He wasn't a first rounder".

You're both real character guys.

Kinda like that apology for what you said...oops.

Character...yeah, sure Dane.

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 9784526)
I'll buy most of that.

Even though the Saints defense was not the best in the NFL, Smith made huge plays when he needed to, both throwing and running.

He opened 6-2 following the loss in the NFC Championship game. I'm not sure if I saw any of those 8 games, so I really can't comment on his performances early last season. Stats seem to indicate he was performing pretty well.

Since he seemed to be getting it... at about the same stage Brees did and where Sanchez is... I'm counting on the change of scenery... and all that goes with that... to put him over the top.

JMO

Sure would be nice.

It's been years since I've been excited about this team and wTching Chiefs football.

BossChief 06-30-2013 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9784709)
I'm not sure why the 25 pass number is being brought up. Andy Reid isn't going to ask him to throw it more than 25 times a game. He's going to ask him to throw it more than 35 times a game.

I doubt that...but it's very possible.

Vick and Foles combined for 616 pass attempts last year.

That breaks down to 38.5 per game

milkman 06-30-2013 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9784744)
What about AJ Feely and Jeff Garcia?

Then you'd have to find how far the ball traveled through air on average to really get a true idea.

I don't believe that Reid is going to ask the same of Smith that he asked of McNabb or Vick, or Kolb, or Garcia.

I'm fairly certain he'll ask for 30 or 35 attempts.

They just won't be the same passes.

SAUTO 06-30-2013 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9784744)
What about AJ Feely and Jeff Garcia?

23.5 for Garcia, who was only there one season and started only eight games.

Couldn't find the stats for feely
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BossChief 06-30-2013 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9784465)
I'm not going back to qoute all of the posts I'll be adressing here.
I'm going to try to touch on the things I've read and want to respond to.

First, let's talk about Mark Sanchez.
As many, if not most, may know, I really liked him coming out.
I said at the time, however, that he was a guy that needed to sit for a year, at the least, and ideally should sit for two.
Unlike some (keg then, Dane now), I believe you still invest high first round picks on the guys that you believe have the potential to be outstanding QBs even if you don't believe they can be first year starters.
Passing on them is short sighted, IMO.
Sanchez is at a cross roads now.
He is either going to continue down the path to complete bust, or he will begin to live up to his potential.
Most are giving up on him.
But it was at this same point in his career that Drew Brees began to emerge.

It's all going to ride on maturity and work ethic for him now.
He has the physical tools.

:clap:

BossChief 06-30-2013 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9784754)
Then you'd have to find how far the ball traveled through air on average to really get a true idea.

I don't believe that Reid is going to ask the same of Smith that he asked of McNabb or Vick, or Kolb, or Garcia.

I'm fairly certain he'll ask for 30 or 35 attempts.

They just won't be the same passes.

ESPN splits breaks down a quarterbacks passes into distance traveled in the air.

Not sure how far back they started doing that, though.

mcaj22 06-30-2013 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 9784719)
How does anyone know what Andy is going to ask Alex to do?

are you going to ask a 30 year old injury prone QB to do something he's never done in his 8 seasons in the NFL?

DaneMcCloud 06-30-2013 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9784465)
Unlike some (keg then, Dane now), I believe you still invest high first round picks on the guys that you believe have the potential to be outstanding QBs even if you don't believe they can be first year starters.
.

I agree that a potential Franchise QB is available in the first round, you take him. But sitting him for a year is absurd in this day and age.

And just to set the record straight, I lobbied for Brees in 2001. I lobbied taken Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford and Mark Sanchez while guys like Cam Newton, RGIII and Luck would have been no-brainers. I would have been very happy with Ryan Tannehill. So let's not turn this into "Well, Dane doesn't believe in first round QB", because that's nonsense.

In 2013, none of the QB prospects where rated nearly as high as those I mentioned and the NFL draft reflected that notion. NFL teams cannot simply waste a draft choice on a QB, just because it's a QB and a position of need.

keg in kc 06-30-2013 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9784751)
I doubt that...but it's very possible.

Vick and Foles combined for 616 pass attempts last year.

That breaks down to 38.5 per game

Make it 30. Either way, it won't be 25. So we're talking an additional 80-100 passes over a full season. Minimum.

Unless the theory is that they traded two 2nd round picks for a guy they don't believe can throw the ball the way that Reid teams traditionally do.

(As the argument goes, Reid must see something in Alex Smith on one hand, but on the other, Reid won't ask him to throw as much as he has in nearly every other year he's been a coach?

Can't have it both ways....)

DaneMcCloud 06-30-2013 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9784572)
QBr is about as useful as a $50 monopoly bill in a cat housed.

With all due respect, you're entering GoChiefs territory in terms of creating a False Narrative.

1. Quarterback Rating is irrelevant.
2. Chiefs send six players to the Pro Bowl, you say "Worthless".
3. Alex Smith beat the Saints for a playoff win "Saints defense sucks".
4. Alex Smith led his team to the NFC Championship Game. "Why didn't he win it?".
5. Alex Smith was a fumble away from the Super Bowl: "He was terrible on 3rd downs".
6. Alex Smith was 18 of 19 in his last game: "QBR is worthless".
7. Alex Smith led his team to 18 victories in the past 18 months of play "Smith was along for the ride".

So, if QBR is worthless, Pro Bowls are worthless and wins are worthless, do you mind explaining how anyone can quantify a player's worthiness?

milkman 06-30-2013 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9784782)
I agree that a potential Franchise QB is available in the first round, you take him. But sitting him for a year is absurd in this day and age.

And just to set the record straight, I lobbied for Brees in 2001. I lobbied taken Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford and Mark Sanchez while guys like Cam Newton, RGIII and Luck would have been no-brainers. I would have been very happy with Ryan Tannehill. So let's not turn this into "Well, Dane doesn't believe in first round QB", because that's nonsense.

In 2013, none of the QB prospects where rated nearly as high as those I mentioned and the NFL draft reflected that notion. NFL teams cannot simply waste a draft choice on a QB, just because it's a QB and a position of need.

I really don't get into this debate about Geno, or Sanchez for that matter.

But I just can not let this go without comment.

I agee with Clayton (I believe he was the one that mentioned it) that QBs were looked at in a different light in this draft than they were before last year's draft.

There is no way in hell Sam Bradford goes #1 overall in this draft, after last year.

As to the question of sitting, we'll never agree.

As to the


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