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KCChiefsMan 01-27-2007 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Lzen
Then move to another country, dumbass.

oh really? you are really stupid, blind and naive. if that is your only argument....you don';t think I know it could be worse? this country is evil in a different way than others. You are probably some ignorant, uneducated **** that has 6 kids since you were 25 and are another good example of why I think abortion should be mandatory in this country. because too many dumb****s keep reproducing and having more and more worthless people around. Tell me to move to a different country, yes I am ashamed to be an American...and you are part of that reason dumbass....why should I be proud to live in a country surrounded by idiots like yourself

Mosbonian 01-27-2007 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by (Zach)
I guess I just don't get this sexually active = juvenile delinquent connection.

Then you aren't understanding what i was trying to impart.....it had nothing to do with your equation.....sexually active=juvenile delinquency

Are you telling me that there was nothing illegal going on there?

mmaddog
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Mosbonian 01-27-2007 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsMan
oh really? you are really stupid, blind and naive. if that is your only argument....you don';t think I know it could be worse? this country is evil in a different way than others. You are probably some ignorant, uneducated **** that has 6 kids since you were 25 and are another good example of why I think abortion should be mandatory in this country. because too many dumb****s keep reproducing and having more and more worthless people around. Tell me to move to a different country, yes I am ashamed to be an American...and you are part of that reason dumbass....why should I be proud to live in a country surrounded by idiots like yourself

Gotta love a guy who doesn't think before posting....and whose short fuse to anger makes hypocrisy of his posting thoughts.

mmaddog
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HonestChieffan 01-27-2007 07:52 AM

This could degrade further but Im not sure how.

memyselfI 01-27-2007 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Metrolike
Nowhere in the article does it say he was the one who got the drugs and alcohol. If you're referring to the consumption of those things, if every highschooler who had ever smoked weed or drank alchol was sent to prison, half the teenagers in this country would be rotting away in jails. I can't believe people are actually accepting this insanity. It boggles my mind.

It doesn't matter if he was the one who got the drugs and alcohol in regards to this conviction as he wasn't charged for that, was he? If they wanted to prosecute him on that then they should have done so. But for the purpose of this discussion, his providing the drugs and alcohol doesn't matter if they didn't make it part of his prosecution.

It's bull shit. To think if his johnson had just entered her vagina (God forbid sodomy) then he would have only done 2 years vs. 10. That is if he would have even been prosecuted in the first place.

It's an outrage that has gone past the prosecutors office. The GA Supreme Court is now an accomplice. And why the hell can't the Gov. pardon the kid.

I haven't heard, did the girls get any sort of punishment here? I mean it seems unfair for them to ruin these boys lives (all of them now deemed sex offenders) over consensual behavior.

RNR 01-27-2007 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by mmaddog
Gotta love a guy who doesn't think before posting....and whose short fuse to anger makes hypocrisy of his posting thoughts.

mmaddog
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The boy aint right! it is good to see he has moved on from the (you are white trash) reply he used whenever he debated someone.

jrowe 01-27-2007 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by memyselfI
It doesn't matter if he was the one who got the drugs and alcohol in regards to this conviction as he wasn't charged for that, was he? If they wanted to prosecute him on that then they should have done so. But for the purpose of this discussion, his providing the drugs and alcohol doesn't matter if they didn't make it part of his prosecution.

It's bull shit. To think if his johnson had just entered her vagina (God forbid sodomy) then he would have only done 2 years vs. 10. That is if he would have even been prosecuted in the first place.

It's an outrage that has gone past the prosecutors office. The GA Supreme Court is now an accomplice. And why the hell can't the Gov. pardon the kid.

I haven't heard, did the girls get any sort of punishment here? I mean it seems unfair for them to ruin these boys lives (all of them now deemed sex offenders) over consensual behavior.

A basic understanding of the appeals process and the rights granted to the GA supreme court and governor provide and easy answer to why they haven't stepped in. They can't under the law. It gives the governor the right to pardon in limited circumstances and the court can only review certain aspects of the case to see if legal standards were violated in reaching a conviction. They don't have a magic wand to do whatever they want.

Also, the prosecutor is bound by his oath of office to prosecute all crimes that fit the criminal code without injecting his own personal standards. He was simply keeping his word to the people. Yes, there is limited prosecutorial discretion. This was exercised by offering a plea AFTER conviction - something that is unheard of. If the plea would have been accepted, with parole, it would only have been two years time, the same amount of time as regular intercourse.

This kid sits in jail due to a series of bad choices he has made and continues to make. Yes, his punishment is excessive, but he is not a victim.

memyselfI 01-27-2007 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by jrowe
A basic understanding of the appeals process and the rights granted to the GA supreme court and governor provide and easy answer to why they haven't stepped in. They can't under the law. It gives the governor the right to pardon in limited circumstances and the court can only review certain aspects of the case to see if legal standards were violated in reaching a conviction. They don't have a magic wand to do whatever they want.

Also, the prosecutor is bound by his oath of office to prosecute all crimes that fit the criminal code without injecting his own personal standards. He was simply keeping his word to the people. Yes, there is limited prosecutorial discretion. This was exercised by offering a plea AFTER conviction - something that is unheard of. If the plea would have been accepted, with parole, it would only have been two years time, the same amount of time as regular intercourse.

This kid sits in jail due to a series of bad choices he has made and continues to make. Yes, his punishment is excessive, but he is not a victim.

Yeah, yeah, but there is more than just 'the law' going on here. The legislature made new law and then refused to make it retroactive. The SC voted 4-3 on the case down racial lines. Apparently, the prosecutor can ask for a reduction of the charges. He's offered 5 years. He's hunkered down and now, with all the publicity making him look like an embicil, he's probably not going to back down at all.

For some reason, everyone is sticking to the letter of the law. And yes, the young man made some bad choices that individuals his age make EVERYDAY. What makes this case unique and UNFAIR is that the individuals older and more experienced than he are making decisions they don't make every day (witness the lack of prosecution/conviction for similiar circumstances) and seem to be making an exception in this case to make a point.

When you have cowards hiding behind 'the law' to exercise other demons then it's quite difficult for an individual to learn a lesson about right and wrong.

Mosbonian 01-27-2007 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by memyselfI
Yeah, yeah, but there is more than just 'the law' going on here. The legislature made new law and then refused to make it retroactive. The SC voted 4-3 on the case down racial lines. Apparently, the prosecutor can ask for a reduction of the charges. He's offered 5 years. He's hunkered down and now, with all the publicity making him look like an embicil, he's probably not going to back down at all.

For some reason, everyone is sticking to the letter of the law. And yes, the young man made some bad choices that individuals his age make EVERYDAY. What makes this case unique and UNFAIR is that the individuals older and more experienced than he are making decisions they don't make every day (witness the lack of prosecution/conviction for similiar circumstances) and seem to be making an exception in this case to make a point.

When you have cowards hiding behind 'the law' to exercise other demons then it's quite difficult for an individual to learn a lesson about right and wrong.

So...should we pick and choose which laws we enforce and which ones we "let slide".....

I am all for leniency....but for everyone to act like this is common everday stuff and we should let is slide is outrageous. How would you feel about this if the girls were your daughters? Irregardless of whether they consented or not, this kid made his choice.

I'm not for having him in prison with all the worst criminal element of society. But this isn't as easy to gloss over as some has inferred in their posts. And he isn't the victim to the depth that this article is trying to portray.

Let me ask this....this kid, we believe, was drinking and maybe taking drugs. Just because "every teen does it these days" (and exaggeration if I have ever heard one) doesn't make it right.

Sorry...the more people post trying to exact sympathy, the less I am prone to exhibit it.

mmaddog
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Mr. Laz 01-27-2007 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by mmaddog
Let me ask this....this kid, we believe, was drinking and maybe taking drugs. Just because "every teen does it these days" (and exaggeration if I have ever heard one) doesn't make it right.

Sorry...the more people post trying to exact sympathy, the less I am prone to exhibit it.

mmaddog
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so charge him with underage possession ... i've got no problem with the police charging ALL OF THE KIDS present with an alcohol and/or drug related charges.

but they didn't that i've heard


they only charged him with a sex related charge ... one that is complete crap.


she was 15 ... but you gotta figure since she was in high school that she was almost 16 and he was 17.

estimate a difference of 17 months difference in their actual age.


no way should that be illegal



no way should his life be destroy because he is labeled a child molestor/statutory rapist/sexual predator and be on the sexual offender list.

he will never get a decent job ... be harrassed by every neighborhood he lives in.

any real quality of life he could have is done ... over.

Sully 01-27-2007 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by mmaddog
So...should we pick and choose which laws we enforce and which ones we "let slide".....

If they didn't charge him for the drugs and alcohol... that is EXACTLY what these people did.

memyselfI 01-27-2007 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mmaddog

Let me ask this....this kid, we believe, was drinking and maybe taking drugs. Just because "every teen does it these days" (and exaggeration if I have ever heard one) doesn't make it right.

Sorry...the more people post trying to exact sympathy, the less I am prone to exhibit it.

mmaddog
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Oh, I'm not on the 'everybody does it' side of the argument here. I'm on the side of trying to hold this young man accountable in the SAME WAY AS EVERY ONE ELSE in the same situation...which would mean not at all.

The prosecutor found an archiac law and applied it in a fashion that was meant for serial pedophiles and NOT first time offenders. Thus, this young man is NOT BEING TREATED LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.

My problem is that he's being singled out and not that he should get a pass because 'everyone else' does it. He should be so lucky to be treated like everyone else. MOF, if everyone else was a consideration here then this young man wouldn't have a concern because it wouldn't be an issue.

memyselfI 01-27-2007 01:48 PM

CNN is running a special about this topic tonight. Check your local listings for the time.

Hopefully with increased awareness will come increased results. And hopefully prison has not ruined this young man.

memyselfI 01-27-2007 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mmaddog
So...should we pick and choose which laws we enforce and which ones we "let slide".....

I am all for leniency....but for everyone to act like this is common everday stuff and we should let is slide is outrageous. How would you feel about this if the girls were your daughters? Irregardless of whether they consented or not, this kid made his choice.

mmaddog
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BTW, if the girls were my daughters I think I would believe they deserved to be punished as much if not more than the boys. None of them were forced to do a damn thing and if you are 15 and allowing one, two, or more different boys to have sex with you within minutes then something is VERY wrong with you. MOF, I think the parents of these girls should be held accountable as well.

NewChief 01-27-2007 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by memyselfI
Oh, I'm not on the 'everybody does it' side of the argument here. I'm on the side of trying to hold this young man accountable in the SAME WAY AS EVERY ONE ELSE in the same situation...which would mean not at all.

The prosecutor found an archiac law and applied it in a fashion that was meant for serial pedophiles and NOT first time offenders. Thus, this young man is NOT BEING TREATED LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.

My problem is that he's being singled out and not that he should get a pass because 'everyone else' does it. He should be so lucky to be treated like everyone else. MOF, if everyone else was a consideration here then this young man wouldn't have a concern because it wouldn't be an issue.

Actually, I believe the other people were charged. They just all plead out. He entered an innocent plea. Regardless, I think the case is a joke, but just want to be sure you understand what happened.


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