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Hammock Parties 03-29-2007 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj
My point is that it is silly to compare Allen with DT when DT played next to Smith, Saleamua and Maas his first few years in the league. I'm sure DT's production wouldn't have been the same playing next to the caliber of players that Allen has had to line up with.
Yeah, I realized that shortly after going off half-cocked.

Allen would easily get 15 sacks on a D-line like the one in Carolina, IMO.

Rooster 03-29-2007 09:48 AM
FYP

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Originally Posted by keg in kc
Personally I think he's a cult figure in KC because he is white, more than his production. But that's just my opinion.

keg in kc 03-29-2007 09:50 AM
I don't know that I'd disagree with that, either, Rooster, although that wasn't what I was referring to. KC fans always seem to get a woody for white players, although Allen's clearly better than guys like Boerigter or Chris Horn.

Bowser 03-29-2007 09:59 AM
So, what's the deal? Do we want him traded because he's holding out, or because he's had off the field issues? If it's because he's holding out, well, that's just stupid. Every franchise tagged player who has held out would then be target for trades. Neil Smith pulled that shit in '93, and he went on to have a pretty good year that year.

If it's because he's gotten in trouble, I think HemiEd hit it - what if we trade him and he ends up a pro bowler while we draft the next Junior Siavii and Snoop Minnis? Yeah, Herm did good with the '06 draft - much better than Vermeil ever did - but I will wait a year or two more before I annoint him a draft day genius.

Allen is a solid, ascending player. Worthy of having a defense built around him along with Hali and DJ. I don't want to see him get traded.

All that being said, I personally believe that nearly any player on a football team is not safe from trade, if the price is right.

Rooster 03-29-2007 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by keg in kc
I don't know that I'd disagree with that, either, Rooster, although that wasn't what I was referring to. KC fans always seem to get a woody for white players, although Allen's clearly better than guys like Boerigter or Chris Horn.
Very true. It was an attempt for a little humor with a dusting of truth on top. :)

booger 03-29-2007 07:36 PM
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610 Radio this afternoon. Rhonda Moss reported that she spoke to Jared Allen's agent for 54 mins this afternoon. According to her, Harris, the agent says that Allen refuses to talk long term contracts with the Chiefs anymore. He will not report or sign his contract for the $2.35 M tender until right before camp. He will not report for the off season programs. He claims that 2007 will be Allen's last year in KC. Unless they Franchise tag him. (Fat chance at $9M or so) When the subject of the effect of Allen's 4 game suspension was brought up, the guy allegedly said that it wasn't a big deal because it wouldn't cost the Chiefs any money since they would not have to pay him.

Seems he forgot that it costs the team because he won't be on the Field to play!

If these reports are correct, Allen's agent is poisoning the well. If so, I say trade him if they can get a couple of 2s or better.

Hammock Parties 03-29-2007 07:42 PM
I think this is going to ruin our season. I can't believe what a colossal dick Jared Allen is being. After the ****ing stupid shit he pulled, he doesn't deserve a long-term contract. He should be going out of his way to be humble right now. Sign your tender and EARN A LONG TERM CONTRACT. Douchebag.

booger 03-29-2007 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Dances with Goats
I think this is going to ruin our season. I can't believe what a colossal dick Jared Allen is being. After the ****ing stupid shit he pulled, he doesn't deserve a long-term contract. He should be going out of his way to be humble right now. Sign your tender and EARN A LONG TERM CONTRACT. Douchebag.

He deserves $$$ for his on field performance. But with the suspension and recent talk of harsh punishment for off field issues he is being rediculas.

His agent sure seems to have him brainwashed as well.

htismaqe 03-29-2007 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj
I disagree. You don't trade young ascending players. Those are the guys you build around. Those are the guys you are hoping to draft. You try to trade guys like Tony G, Law, Surtain, Green, etc.

In 2002 (Urlacher's third year) the Bears went 4-12. They didn't trade Urlacher for more picks because they were building for the future - they built around him because he was young and ascending.

The Colts were 6-10 in 2001 and Manning had a TD/INT ratio of about 1:1, they didn't trade him for more picks - they built around him.

In 1998/1999 when Marchibroda was struggling with the Ravens and Billick was taking overthey didn't trade Lewis (3rd year) for more picks. You keep your young good players because the draft is a complete crapshoot.
Comparing Allen to Urlacher and Manning is laughable. For one thing, neither was 1 strike away from being out for an entire season.

Spin it any way you want, Allen doesn't view the DUI convictions as a big deal and they absolutely ARE.

htismaqe 03-29-2007 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by HemiEd
I would be even more pissed if he is on another team, and doesn't get suspended for a year. I believe him when he said he has learned his lesson, these kind don't come along every day.
His latest comments sure seem to be FILLED with the humility a recovering alchoholic inevitably learns...

JohnnyV13 03-29-2007 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by keg in kc
We talk about the guy like he's Shawne Merriman.

He's not. He's had 9, 11 and 7.5 sacks. Hate to break it to both Jared and the folks in KC, but that's really nothing special. His average production amounts to what would be an off year for a good pass rusher. His production dictates that he's, so far, nothing more than a mediocre player who happens to be a fan favorite on a defense that's been historically bad for years. And now he's having repeat legal troubles and playing the vocal and disgruntled stuff in the media.

If I'm the gm, I shop him. He doesn't deserve a big contract at this point. If Allen homers want to say he's earned it on the field (which I don't believe - he's earned a mid-level contract), I'd counter by saying he lost that right by his behavior off of it. He's got to prove he can stay clean and be a team player, as well as perform like a guy who moves mountains, before I make that kind of investment. It just wouldn't be a smart move in my book. Let some other team take that risk and deal with his bullshit.

Keg, he's a little better than you're making him out. Allen had 7 forced fumbles in 05 and 3 in 06. He was also 2nd in the NFL in tackles behind the line of scrimmage.

You're right, he isn't shawnee merriman. But he's better than mediocre. He's definately a good NFL starter.

Chiefnj2 03-29-2007 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Spin it any way you want, Allen doesn't view the DUI convictions as a big deal and they absolutely ARE.
You are completely 100% full of it. Carlota interviewed him and he said he hasn't had a drink in 5-6 months. Do you have proof to the contrary? Any photos of him this offseason boozing it up?

crazycoffey 03-29-2007 08:27 PM
I agree with almost all of you, Allen is pretty good on the field and his motor is always high, turnovers, all good, yes.

But character has to be big, he wants too much (according to media from CP) and no one knows what is going to happen with the suspension or if he really learned his lesson.

It will be interesting to see how things end up, I'm watching with anticipation.

CoMoChief 03-29-2007 08:35 PM
Keep Allen, pay him what he deserves based on what he's done on the field. Put some contract incentives in there regarding any future DUI's he gets will affect his pay, etc.

We need to build this defense around Allen, Hali, DJ, Harris, Pollard, and Page. We've plugged some vets in there as well but we need to get younger.

JohnnyV13 03-29-2007 08:39 PM
I do think Jared Allen is getting bad advice from his agent.

What he needs to do is to get in this year, work his ass off like a good team player, and have his best year in the NFL. He would then be in a great position to score a huge contract, far better than this year with his DUI's hanging over his head.


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