this will be the third time I tell you this. I'm backing away from the conversation because you seem to only want to prove your opinions as some sort of fact.

You gave your opinion. I gave mine. you reiterated your opinion and I reiterated mine. after this second occasion we are really starting to waste our time. It is an agree to disagree scenerio. I don't like Ginn as a first round pick. My opinion, and you can't change it. Does it mean we won't pick him? NO, how could I know that.

I only wanted to share my opinion and not to try and prove mine is better than yours, (Harrell). I don't think I could change your opinion and I don't want to. I only wanted to have a discussion about football, not get hit over the head Mr. Mecca.

kindly drop the topic, with me anyway.

BTW, Simms did really good in College too, I don't know how Ginn's college career is the end all of the deciding factors.

I'll be the first one to say Ginn has issues as a WR but questioning his special teams ability is a bit much......he smokes everyone on our team as a returner even Dante Hall.

seeing how you have such great psychic abilities, do you mind sharing the lottery numbers? I could use the extra cash.

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Watch that...........

If someone teacbes him how to catch balls and not drop many then he has the talent to be a star......he bugs me of course because he drops balls but he is an extreme talent and that shows on his special teams plays.

Okay.. now I'm convinced.
Ginn is my gu. Let's bring on the Shot-Ginn offense!

After watching that video, I am also convinced that Troy Smith has Jay Schroeder syndrome... whether a pass is 10 yards or 60, he throws as hard as he can. And talk about a slow looking release.

When I was busting on Ginn I was busting on him as a top 15 pick.......I think he's good value at 23, all the physical talent in the world, a little bit of coaching and you got a star.

did you actually just say "if someone teaches him to catch" he'll be a star?

It's basically concentration, he can be coached on the finer points of catching the ball, but he does have all the physical skills.

:thumb:

But hey what do I know you wanna draft a guy who's torn a bicep and broken an ankle.......then elevated himself in workouts...

I don't expect to be happy on draft day. This team is just floundering without any direction at all.

I hear this all the time.

If it were that easy to teach a player to catch the ball, don't you think he would have learned it at Ohio State?

Couple things that caught my eye about Ginn- I like how he runs full speed to the endzone-no showboating. I also like his vision-seems he sees the whole field and is making moves 10 to 15 yards before he gets pinned into a corner.

I already explained that. You can't judge a draft based on just their rookie years.


Here was my explanation that you omitted from your quote:

"I'm not sure how you think this works, but players drafted in the later rounds don't usually start their rookie year. Those are players that you hope you can eventually develop into starters. Or in some cases the most you can expect is a quality backup."


You also can't judge a draft just by how many starts players get. This is affected by who the team already has playing the position. Bad teams might make it look like they had good drafts because they HAVE to play rookies.


*edit: When I say you can't judge a draft based on 1 year, I realize that's all we have to go by at the moment. But when it's obvious players will be starting next year don't ignore it.

Brodie Croyle+Hannon/Webb+Washed-up Kennison+Herm/Slowlari's ultra ultra ultra ultra ultra conservative playcalling= the Chiefs have the worst passing offense in modern NFL history next season.

And I left Tony Gonzalez out because without legit WRs on the outside teams will just shackle him inside like always.