How does 8 of 25 "look great"?

Please advise.

So if Collins had led this team to a 8-5 record, you'd be happy about it?

Did you watch the game? 153 yards rushing and 156 yards passing, that looks pretty good to me right now.

I'd hazard an unscientific guess that in football, the coach can be responsible for up to a 10 percent swing in results: 10 percent more points scored under good coaching, 10 percent fewer under bad coaching. In a close game or a Super Bowl run, that 10 percent swing really matters.

It was always my opinion that a good HC can turn a team to a contender in 2 years, the 1st year is the remnants of the prior coach(usually a losing season). The 2nd year is that HC's team and if it regresses then that's the reflection on his coaching and scouting ability.

Ed, he was 8 for 25. Not even 50%. That's 32%!

You think that a 32% passer "looks pretty good"?

W.T.F.?

I think three years is more the standard, but it also depends on the state of the personnel.

Considering that every starter with the exception of LJ was over the age of thirty to begin the 2007 season, ANY head coach would have to be given more time to rebuild.

Oh hell yes, a lot happier than the pathetic display we have witnessed this year. See, I don't buy into the lack of talent BS. I think it is coaching. Herm has lowered my standards considerable.

So how many points was our collection of offensive talent capable of producing this year?

You are officially, an idiot.

Turley, Terry, Welbourn, McIntosh nor Weigmann would not be starting for ANY other NFL team. Period. There is absolutely NO WAY that all of them should have been playing at all, albeit, together!

But I'm sure they're all just Pro-Bowlers with a different coach, right?

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I have no idea, do you? You think they were performing at their capability? So miraculously, the Chiefs ended up with all the turds?

The one common denominator with this offensive decline, and recent defensive decline, is the coaching. The players don't buy it and it is nothing new.

So do you throw out all the players? Not usually.

Not all of the players are turds. We can clearly see LJ, Kolby, Bowe, Tony, at times Croyle, and even Webb at times, are not turds.

But 3/5 of that o-line?

Turds.

That's usually what happens when you ignore your offensive line for 9 YEARS.

The Chiefs haven't drafted a FIRST DAY offensive lineman since 1999.

How could you expect the results to be any different?

Ok, not trying to have it both ways. Who assembled that group coming out of camp?

To what do you attribute the Defensive decline? Did the talent go to shit all of a sudden?

The Chiefs are pretty untalented as a whole, at least compared to other teams.

We made LJ a turd by running him into the ground.