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Science is so racist (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=187110)

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Originally Posted by markk (Post 4841387)

do you really think 95% of people who make hiring decisions are racist?

i think talk like that is part of what sets this discussion back.

Notice the "possible" and then the (Racist) in parenthesis.
Although, we tend to assume (possible racist) until proven otherwise.

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Originally Posted by wutamess (Post 4841375)

See that's why we have to "impress". We're no different than a white guy. Why would you interview any different?

Actually I have a small story...
I was interviewing for a Tech Support position for a school in Noblesville Indiana... One of the first things out of the hiring guys mouth was, "You do know that we have no black students... How do you feel about that?" Probably no blacks in the county.

I didn't get the job and I'm sure it was because of that. Did I have a suit? Probably so. But I really don't care so to hell with it.

Just to show you that AA is needed.

Civil suit waiting to happen. That is really wrong.

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 4841383)

I'm not following you.

You seem to be saying that a black guy interviewing with a white guy needs to act more "white" in order to get the job because of the stereotypes of blacks that white people have.

Is that correct?

After I posted I reread your post and then I realized you were talking about if you'd have to interview with a black hiring mgr. My post was invalid.

However, my error brings up a great point, how would you feel about your chances interviewing with a black hiring mgr and you and the other (black) candidate were equally qualified?

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Originally Posted by wutamess (Post 4841400)

After I posted I reread your posted and then I realized you were talking about if you'd have to interview with a black hiring mgr. My post was invalid.

However, my error brings up a great point, how would you feel about your chances interviewing with a black hiring mgr and you and the other (black) candidate were equally qualified?

I'd feel like I was at a disadvantage, honestly.

But qualification is only one part of it. There could always be something in the interview that won it for him and lost it for you. He could have mentioned a certain skill he had, or displayed a better sense of humor or personable qualities... no two people are really ever "equally qualified".

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Originally Posted by wutamess (Post 4841400)

I would be confident that I would emerge victorious.

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Originally Posted by markk (Post 4841405)

I'd feel like I was at a disadvantage, honestly.

I truly admire your honesty.
Now that's how we feel all the time. But it's not 1 (black) to 1 (white) it's usually 1 (black) to many (whites).
That's why AA is still needed.

~ Now we're getting some where.

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 4841412)

I would be confident that I would emerge victorious.

Why so confident?

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Originally Posted by wutamess (Post 4841227)

You're being facetious but it'd go a long way to breaking that stereotype.

~I'm being dead serious.

But there are some places that whites aren't safe in at 2 or 3 in the morning. Is it racists to think that, or is it because they hear on the news of people getting shot because they took a wrong turn in the wrong part of town?

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Originally Posted by markk (Post 4841230)

I intentionally try to be nice to people when I'm there. I'm not sure it does anything though.

I would like to think that I am nice to everyone, but I know sometimes that when I hold open a door for a woman to pass through, she looks at me as if I was thinking that she wasn't capable of doing it herself. Sometimes people are nice just to be nice and there isn't any other motive behind and I think that really ticks some people off.

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Originally Posted by wutamess (Post 4841250)

His comedy actually is true.
He touches & nails a few great topics in his comedy.

Everyone needs to take more responsiblity for their own actions and be subject to the punishment as a result of their actions.

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 4841288)

But, the kid in this example didn't KNOW that he had to do that, right? He assumed that the white guy interviewing him expected him to doubly impressive because he's black?

But I am sure that in the kids house, it wasn't taught that the man was only there to keep him down. For the problem to be stopped it takes work on both sides of the issue.

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Originally Posted by Iowanian (Post 4841301)

I don't really want in the middle of this discussion, however....

2 years ago, I interviewed for a good job, and was told by the director that I was hands down the best applicant and had several years of better experience than any other applicant. He called back a week later and said that he was told by HR that he was to "hire an affirmative action qualifier" and wasn't going to be able to offer me the position.

I know my dad is routinely told by HR to diversify his staff in an ag related business. He said he's hired every black and latino that have ever applied for one of his positions. Zero. In the midwest, in an ag related industry, and corporate from a coast growls about the diversity. Women and a couple of token gheys will have to do.

In any job, the best candidate should win. period.

That said....if the statements in the thread starter are true, its a sad reality of how hypersensitive our society is becoming.

I heard that next year the 4th of July and Cinco de Mayo were being outlawed as discriminatory holidays....they discriminate against people who can only count to 3.

I am sure there are a lot more instances of this then people would like to admit, just like the opposite though. :banghead:

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Originally Posted by wutamess (Post 4841418)

Why so confident?

I'm a very confident person.

wutamess,

How do you feel individuality comes into play, how one dresses, how one presents themselves in both verbal and non-verbal ways.

Should one be able to not hire someone because of what is perceived as improper dress and/or communication skills?

It is generally understood that there is some form of conformity in the business environment, does the hate for "uncle tom's" prevent that from happening?

I can understand how you may feel like a lot of people have jumped on you in this thread, but it has been very enlightening, so please don't take offense to my previous questions.

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Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 4841167)

Just curious. What is the percentage?

As of 2003, the Gallup polls have 59% of the American public in favor of AA.

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Originally Posted by wutamess (Post 4841282)

Hence...

"We have to work double hard."
"Whites (in general) are born with silver spoons".

Again........LMAO

I work for one of largest corporations on planet Earth. Our executive ranks are full of folks from all ethnic backgrounds. My boss is a minority. The baloney about the majority of executives being a particular race is just that - baloney. Not in my company.

Years ago I worked for a company that had a very good promotion opportunity that I was in line for. I had the experience and skills. I was told I could not have the job due to affirmative actions (regardless of the fact that I am a minority). And this was told to my face. I would not get a promotion because of my (perceived) race.

Hiring or not hiring based on race is wrong and 2 wrongs don't make a right. Ever.

It's difficult to read about the extra steps some people say they must take to get employment when my experiences over the past 30 years is so opposite of what's being reported here.

Everyone is a culmination of their own life's experiences. Mine tell me that AA is pure and simple racism that some will try to create a justification for. For us living in the real world, that simply aint gonna fly.

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Originally Posted by wutamess (Post 4841372)

Well Dane... AA isn't intended for you... It's the other 95% of possible (racist) employers.

Do you honestly feel in your heart of hearts that 95% of white employers are possibly racist?

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Originally Posted by bkkcoh (Post 4841437)

I'm (an old) 31... I'm already set in my ways so I never take anything on here to heart. I'm responding in order to educate or enlighten. Not to take any of this to heart.

As far as individuality. The people that aren't conforming are usually foreigners. They can be prejudged too and DO fall under the AA umbrella. If that's what you're asking.