I noticed this very phenom in the Sanchez' vs Ravens thread. When Sanchez threw that wrongway pick/td the excuse I heard was: "Well... the Ravens will do that to a lot of teams this season".

The excuses for the franchise QB in NY from CP have started too.

And what's wrong with that comment?

I don't care who it is, I expect a rookie to struggle a bit in his 2nd preseason game against the best defense in the league, on the road.

All we heard about the Cassel deal is how he had more experience, and would be better suited to play with limited weapons and behind a bad OL. How we'd ruin a draft pick at QB. Cassel's a veteran, has experience, so on, and so forth.

Sorry, but people did it to themselves claiming that Cassel is a franchise QB without the risk of a draft pick.

Can't have it both ways.

Someone actually made that claim? lol

n0ob, you picked a bad example. It is obvious you were not here the day Lilja was cut.

Glad to hear there were those questioning the cut. Figures that the K-State kid would have some fans watching... even if some were scouts from the Colts...

I don't get the segway.

You're comparing Cassel to a hall-of-fame QB and arguably the best QB of his generation. And you're implying that he's backup material because he won a "measley" 11 games and didn't win all 16 games?

Pretty harsh stuff for a guy making his first ever starts in the NFL.

I've seen nothing that leads me to believe Cassel throws a lousy deep ball. He has to work on his accuracy, but the arm strength is fine. The deep ball is by far the most overrated element of a player's game. Can Cassel zip a 50 yarder? No. Can he zip a 20-yarder? Yes.

Even Peyton and Brees throw good not great deep balls.

to me it's also funny when people bash him for sitting behind 2 heisman winners in college.

I love that "he won" 11 games. Nobody else on the Pats mattered at all. Those 11 wins were 100% Cassel.


Brees' arm has gotten stronger since his first few years in SD, but he doesn't have a good deep ball. Brees has about 30-35 yards of range on zipped balls. Brees is super smart, accurate, and throws 50 times a game. He isn't a HOF caliber QB and never will be, and he is overrated because he puts up "big numbers" by throwing 50 times a game and stat parrots and fantasy people love him because of that. Truth be told, good defenses that press Brees really handle the Saints no matter how many yards and scores the Saints get in the meaningless Q4 against prevent. Cassel's "ceiling" is lower, and Brees is about 10 years ahead in net starting experience spotting four at Purdue. Peyton throws excellent deep balls. Peyton is a HOF QB. Brees is a wannabe who only impresses with stats other than wins.

The deep ball is not the most overrated part of the game. Fear of the deep ball causes the D to keep the safeties back, away from the LOS. If the opposing D loses that fear, watch it. For a great example, look at the Titan loss to SD in the playoffs two years ago. SD had nobody on D more than 5 yards off the LOS, because they had no fear of the Titan downfield passing attack, because there was no reason to fear it... and down went the Titans.

To have a ground game in the NFL, the defense must first fear the pass and defend the pass by not stacking the LOS...

WTF. Comparing the 2007 Patriots to the 2008 Patriots is apple to oranges. Did you watch any of the Patriots games? Cassel wasn't the reason they lost most of those games so shut your cum dump.

We'll be able to tell pretty quickly on this one.

Cassel or Sanchez?

Brady is clearly better and everyone knows that, but you are right it is a HORRIBLE comparison. That team wasn't going 16-0 again.

Ah yes, the "you can't say anything bad about our team" deal. Got it. Still waiting for a clip of a deep throw by Cassel that isn't a floater...


The opportunity cost of Cassel and converting to the 3-4 given the personnel on the roster and hence spending 1st and 3rd on 3-4 DLs is a pretty sorry score so far. Scott Pioli has had his first offseaon, and the Chiefs still have a sorry OL and a lame pass rush. The season may prove me wrong, but I'd give Pioli a flat "F" so far. Oh, but you have Matt Cassel to enjoy the fruits of that OL. Sanchez has better pass protection and a better set of skill players, but don't let that stop the "QB and only the QB wins the game crowd" from comparing the two. Craig Krenzel started off 3-0 for da Bears... a lock for the HOF for sure...

the thigpen and cassel bashers are the ones who act like "the qb and only the qb wins the game"

Your and idiot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHFEdh8jjiU

Dumbass