Originally Posted by RippedmyFlesh (Post 6146022)

Agree the qb killing rrpp herm was familiar to anyone in ny getting jets games. He was fun to watch at press conferences when he WASN'T YOUR coach.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6145007)

It's NOT meaningless.

99% of the people here thought this franchise was going the wrong direction under Herm, even though he had drafted young players and was working to overhaul the roster.

In the past two years alone, he drafted a stud WR, two young defensive end/tackles (Turk & Tank), a franchise left tackle, a stud DB in Flowers (and a damn good prospect in Carr), a supposed run stuffing DT in Dorsey and more.

Half those guys were sent packing and the rest were converted to a defense in which they weren't drafted to play. What Pioli's done is completely erase the past two drafts - threw them out the window.

Bowe's taken a step backwards, as has Albert. Pollard's gone. Turk's gone. Tank's a part-time player. Dorsey's playing out of position.

So, now that we're on this path, you'd think we'd be improved, right? WRONG. We're worse across the board. In throwing players in the trash in order to convert to a completely different defense, Pioli set the Chiefs back at least one year if not two. And he did nothing to compliment this team in free-agency.

In my opinion, it's an absolutely valid way to evaluate and quantify progress.

And so far, there's been NONE.

It's been all for naught.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6145394)

If I'm Clark Hunt interviewing Scott Pioli and Pioli tells me "Hey, my philosophy on defense is the 3-4. So the first order of business is to dump all of your high draft picks from the past two years in order to implement my defense", I say "Thanks for you time" and I'm hiring someone else.

It was absolutely FOOLISH to spend THREE of the top draft picks in 2008 & 2009 on FIVE TECH PLAYERS. The Chiefs should have drafted Sanchez, Mauluga, offensive lineman and skill players in this past draft.

Instead, we're ****ED for at least two more years because the amount of holes on both defense and offense cannot be filled with even adequate players in the draft and free agency.

Tom Dimitroff got that part right.

Scott Pioli did not.



Bullshit. Bull-****ING-Shit.

The last three years DID NOT have to be meaning less. The Chiefs made the right decisions in the draft. A pass rushing defensive end opposite Jared Allen. A stud WR to help in the passing game. Two 4-3 DT/DE's. A franchise LT, a college super-stud DT, a stud CB, a very good CB (Carr), etc.

Pioli is the guy that said "**** this. We're going 3-4" and basically negated the past few years. Hali can't play OLB in a 3-4. Dorsey's not a 5 Tech. Brandon Albert has taken a HUGE step backwards. Dwayne Bowe looks like ****ing Derrick Alexander out there. Flowers and Carr are fine but BFD? Tyson Jackson should have NEVER been drafted with the #3 overall pick.

Pioli IGNORED this shit offensive line in free-agency and the draft and he continues to ignore it.

I'm not even TALKING about Herm or Peterson: This season's failures lie directly in the lap of one man: Scott Pioli.

PERIOD.

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6146080)

now we're pro-herm....anybody with a brain knew exactly what Herm was, and what he'd do in KC...he was Carl's cronie and he simply continued our mediocrity until it literally imploded...he was a failure anyone could see coming from a mile away, and most here did actually...

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 6146089)

Herm had the right idea to build the roster - his problem was his coaching.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6146056)

So who do you blame for Chad Pennington's current injury status?

You DO know that he's out for the year, right?

Is that Herm's fault?

:shake:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6146080)

now we're pro-herm....anybody with a brain knew exactly what Herm was, and what he'd do in KC...he was Carl's cronie and he simply continued our mediocrity until it literally imploded...he was a failure anyone could see coming from a mile away, and most here did actually...


this board is in a state of hysteria unlike anything I've ever seen....


like Glenn Beck eating acid and walking through a hall of mirrors while wearing an obama mask hysterics...

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 6146089)

Herm had the right idea to build the roster - his problem was his coaching.

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 6146130)

I agree TTC, some of the best posters on the board are in full meltdown mode? Just a bunch of crazy talk, They begged for change and when change happened? They paniced...

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6146098)

Exactly.

If Herm had been allowed to begin the rebuilding process in 2006 or 2007, do I think he'd be the head coach today?

No.

But, for the first time in nearly 40 years, someone inside this organization had it right.

Build your team through the draft.

Period.

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 6145356)

That happens all the time all over the NFL not just in KC.. Many times a new GM and HC come in and want their players, team, etc.....

Yes the last 3 years were all for naught. We knew as they were happening any respectable GM who comes in is going to clean house and start over...

Its sucks, its going to take some time, but if we can endure 3 years of Herm, then we can endure Pioli and Haley finally trying to build a championship team in KC, first time in a long time.

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 6146089)

Herm had the right idea to build the roster - his problem was his coaching.

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6146205)

IMO herms problem was THE PLAYERS he picked coupled with his coaching.

Originally Posted by chiefs1111 (Post 6141925)

if there isn't an uncapped year I hope Clark will spend some money on some good,young free agents.. It would be nice for a change

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6146209)

Like who?

Hali? Bowe? Flowers? Carr? Leggett? Dorsey? Albert? Page?

Who?