yeah dane i said he's awful:rolleyes: what i actually said was that when he's PRESSURED he folds, and has his whole career. thats pretty well documented. look it up

You are out of your mind.

Seriously.

You're going to tell me that Peyton Manning folds under pressure and THAT'S an established FACT?

Are you joking?

ROFL dane how many teams have gone undefeated? he also pretty much beat US last year no? brady went out pretty early in that game.

again i never said that cassel is tom brady.never.


and whats the excuse that the pats are on track to have about the same record this year WITH brady.

Look what he did last year. All the talent in the world and he couldn't even make the playoffs.

dane maybe you should pay more attention. peyton gets happy feet and is no where the same guy when pressured. sorry it's the truth

First off, if you've watched the Patriots, it wasn't until two weeks ago that Brady looked like "vintage" Tom Brady. They struggled initially with him behind center. It's a miracle the guy is performing as well as he is considering it generally takes most people two years to recover completely from ACL surgery.

Do you really expect the Patriots to lose three more games this year and NOT make the playoffs?

I don't. I'll be surprised if they lose one more game all year.

so that makes his performance "remarkable"?

We dont have the worst recieving corps in the NFL

they arent hofers, but we have a average, maybe somewhat below average, recieving corps.

Vicks receiving corps were known as horrible until Ryan got there, same thing...you have to find the open receiver and he hasnt done that.

Get some free tickets to the next game on craigslist (there will be plenty) and see how many open receivers he misses all game long. Thats all my friends that went to the game could talk about, said all the people sitting around them were saying the same thing and numerous shouts of WTF were yelled repeatedly.

dane how many teams in nfl HISTORY have gone 11-5 and not made the playoffs? thats just bad luck.

Really?

Then how do you explain the fact that since his first year in the league, his completion percentage has never been below 62% and generally averages around 67%?

Or the fact other than two years when he had 3,700 yards passing, he's had over 4,000 yards each season for 9 out of 10 years?

How do you explain 348 TD's versus only 169 INT's, virtually 2-1 ratio?

If all that was needed was pressure to take Peyton Manning out of his game, I don't think his numbers would be what they are today.

That's a lame argument, Jason.

You're right.

It was bad luck that Brady had his ACL shredded by Bernard Pollard.

Waters took over half way and wasnt quite the all pro waters quite yet, he was a dlinemen a few short weeks back iirc.

In 2002, we added Roaf and Waters really started to show up and "the line of fame" was built.

it's an established fact among idiots that Manning can't win the big one, and he folds under pressure.

dane the guy consistently has one of the best lines in the nfl sorry. he is a great QB but he has problems when pressured

ROFL thats not what i meant and you know it, but keep skirting it man.


Again how many teams have gone 11-5 and NOT made the playoffs?

how where his stats in that super bowl run?