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DeezNutz 02-15-2010 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6534916)
I don't think it's a secret that Clark Hunt would have liked to have kept Herm and felt guilty about pushing him out when Herm was promised time to gut the team. And one of those big decisions Herm made was to hire Chan Gailey, who would have been fired after one season. I doubt that he has the same kind of emotional attachment to Cassel. And I doubt he meddles much outside of the initial coaching decision.

When you're getting paid millions of dollars, I have no sympathy for people losing their jobs.

Don't get me wrong, I don't begrudge the money they make; it's fair and part of the league. But you can't feel "bad" for anyone who has lifetime security. Thus it's easier to make calculated business decisions.

There shouldn't be any emotional attachments, at least in theory.

Iowanian 02-15-2010 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6534848)
Wow, that's some list of excuses you just made.

What he really meant was "KEEP F-ING DOUBTING MATT CASSEL!!! F'in F'ER!"



Personally, I think most of the above listed possible situations are likely discussed and would be considered. It's due diligence for the team to evaluate the worth of some of their players, as well as inquire into possibilities to fill holes or improve the team.

I have no doubt they'd consider shopping DBowe or replacing Cassel.

Mecca 02-15-2010 08:48 PM

You don't think Clark felt more bad that he had to pay guys that weren't working for the team anymore?

Ralphy Boy 02-15-2010 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6534902)
If we follow Pioli's history, he likes to take QBs around the 2nd or 3rd. And frankly, I think there are a lot of teams that will be afraid to rate Clausen as a legit top 10 pick. Question that decision all you want. But that's a very different reason.

When has Pioli taken a QB in the 2nd?

Kevin O'Connell 3rd round, 2008
Matt Cassel 7th round 2005
Kliff Kingsbury 6th round 2003
Rohan Davey 4th round 2002
Tom Brady 6th round 2000

One QB in the 3rd round. Wow, what a history. I'd say his history is taking QB's on the 2nd day of the draft, like he did 4 out of the 5 times he drafted one.

TRR 02-15-2010 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6534934)
LOL, did that offend you? Or were you just trying to discredit my post because you don't agree with it? Stay classy.

I think the word idiotic sums it up best.
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DeezNutz 02-15-2010 08:51 PM

The one thing that I liked best about the Pioli hire at the time was that he seemed to understand the importance of the QB position. Even with established starters, he kept drafting QBs, so that there was the hope of developing the next starter in the pipeline. This is a fantastic approach, and one that we need to emulate.

And then he went vintage Carl...

chiefzilla1501 02-15-2010 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6534942)
When you're getting paid millions of dollars, I have no sympathy for people losing their jobs.

Don't get me wrong, I don't begrudge the money they make; it's fair and part of the league. But you can't feel "bad" for anyone who has lifetime security. Thus it's easier to make calculated business decisions.

There shouldn't be any emotional attachments, at least in theory.

You don't have to feel sorry for Herm. But from Clark Hunt's perspective, given that Herm completely gutted the team, I can't imagine he would have done so unless he received some kind of assurance that his job would be safe in 2009 regardless of how many wins the team had.

It's not as much about Herm as much as it is about Hunt. With Herm/Gailey, I imagine he feels like he broke a promise. That's why I think he was a lot more involved with the coaching decision than with players. I don't see any players on this roster who Clark Hunt refused to let Pioli cut because of emotionality.

TRR 02-15-2010 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian (Post 6534947)
What he really meant was "KEEP F-ING DOUBTING MATT CASSEL!!! F'in F'ER!"
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And boy was I right on.
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chiefzilla1501 02-15-2010 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ralphy Boy (Post 6534960)
When has Pioli taken a QB in the 2nd?

Kevin O'Connell 3rd round, 2008
Matt Cassel 7th round 2005
Kliff Kingsbury 6th round 2003
Rohan Davey 4th round 2002
Tom Brady 6th round 2000

One QB in the 3rd round. Wow, what a history. I'd say his history is taking QB's on the 2nd day of the draft, like he did 4 out of the 5 times he drafted one.

Wow, I was completely wrong on that.

Served.

Mecca 02-15-2010 08:54 PM

I personally think if the Chiefs dressed up a giant turd sandwich as QB, TRR would tell us how it's going to be a pro bowler one day.

DeezNutz 02-15-2010 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6534968)
You don't have to feel sorry for Herm. But from Clark Hunt's perspective, given that Herm completely gutted the team, I can't imagine he would have done so unless he received some kind of assurance that his job would be safe in 2009 regardless of how many wins the team had.

It's not as much about Herm as much as it is about Hunt. With Herm/Gailey, I imagine he feels like he broke a promise. That's why I think he was a lot more involved with the coaching decision than with players. I don't see any players on this roster who Clark Hunt refused to let Pioli cut because of emotionality.

Yeah, I could understand that perspective. If he promised something, it would be very difficult, to say the least, to break his word.

TRR 02-15-2010 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6534978)
I personally think if the Chiefs dressed up a giant turd sandwich as QB, TRR would tell us how it's going to be a pro bowler one day.

What's your credentials for judging an NFL QB? Same as mine I would imagine.

My opinion of Cassel (and any NFL QB) is that you have to have consistent pieces around him to be successful. Until Cassel has that, you can't judge him.

Am I saying he's a future Hall of Famer or Pro Bowler? Not at all. I'm saying let's be a bit patient, and see what he can do when he is afforded a bit more time and consistency in offensive philosophies and personel.
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Mecca 02-15-2010 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR (Post 6535008)
What's your credentials for judging an NFL QB? Same as mine I would imagine.

My opinion of Cassel (and any NFL QB) is that you have to have consistent pieces around him to be successful. Until Cassel has that, you can't judge him.

Am I saying he's a future Hall of Famer or Pro Bowler? Not at all. I'm saying let's be a bit patient, and see what he can do when he is afforded a bit more time and consistency in offensive philosophies and personel.
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I think it's because you once said....this...

And who would that QB be? There isn't a Peyton Manning or Carson Palmer in the 2008 draft. Matt Ryan, Brian Brohm, and Andre Woodson would all be very late 1st, if not 2nd round selections in almost any other years draft.

Unfortanely IMO, Ryan and the bunch don't bring much more to the table than Croyle, especially if the O Line is not rebuilt.

ChiefsCountry 02-15-2010 09:02 PM

If I was Clark Hunt I would have fired Pioli the second after he made that trade, or just slapped the shit out of him the moment he propsed it.

Mecca 02-15-2010 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 6535012)
If I was Clark Hunt I would have fired Pioli the second after he made that trade, or just slapped the shit out of him the moment he propsed it.

WTF, do you think you're Carl Peterson? I just fired that dipshit and now you make a move he would make!


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