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Hammock Parties 04-18-2010 02:00 PM

I honestly shudder to think what the offseason will be like if we win 7 games.

We'll be right back where we were 10 years ago - going into every offseason thinking we're only a player or two away.

Rain Man 04-18-2010 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6684102)
I don't think that's happening at all, Kevin.

However, there are expectations from having a Top 5 pick.

One would expect to acquire an elite talent or franchise QB with that pick.

There are three elite talents in this draft, and two QB's that fit that description.

Two of those 5 players would be wasted in our scheme, don't fit a need, and hold no value at our pick - especially considering we've spent our last two Top 5 picks on that position.

One of the QB's will likely be off the board.

That leaves one of the elite talents (Berry) and one of the Franchise QB's. (Clausen)

To have a Top 5 pick and come away with neither would be a mistake of epic proportions.

You just can't pass on those types of prospects for lessor talent.


Don't get me wrong. I want Clausen first and if not him, I guess Berry.

My worry, though, is that if Berry comes in and doesn't capture bin Laden by Week 4, people will be on him like they've been on Dorsey. Expectations are way too high right now, in my opinion. And if they draft Clausen, some people will pounce on him every mistake he makes because we didn't draft Berry. And if god forbid they don't draft one of those two guys, he will never get a chance, kind of like Jackson has been treated. It's becoming a no-win situation for anyone that we draft, which is not good.

I may disagree with who we draft, but I will certainly have no ill will against them and will want them to succeed. If we draft Dez Bryant, I'll wince, but I'll root for Dez Bryant to do well. Same with Earl Thomas or Bulaga or Dan Williams or McClain or anybody.

Pioli's not going to do everything exactly the way we would. That may not necessarily mean it's wrong or that he won't be successful.

And I'm not preaching at you, OTW58. I'm preaching at the world.

Reaper16 04-18-2010 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 6684105)
I think it's from the 10,000 posts stating that Berry is a first-ballot hall of famer and the 12,000 posts stating the Bulaga sucks, Williams sucks, McClain sucks, Clausen sucks, Haden doesn't suck but would be a reach, other Williams sucks, Bryant sucks, and so on.

Well, at #5, the options are limited unless you want to A.) reach or B.) take a player that we don't need. Many of those guys don't suck, they just don't deserve to be drafted in the top 5. Thankfully, there are options at #5 that are perfect for the Chiefs. Options so perfect that it isn't worth trading down to acquire more players of lesser caliber.

Mr. Laz 04-18-2010 02:06 PM

Let me interject here to all the seppuku applicants ... nothing has actually happened yet. This is all prediction and guesswork.

the Chiefs may not be trying to trade down and even if we do maybe the Chiefs are just trying to trade down because they know that Clausen is falling. :shrug:

who the hell knows

no need to get too mad about Mock-like predictions

Rain Man 04-18-2010 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6684114)
Well, at #5, the options are limited unless you want to A.) reach or B.) take a player that we don't need. Many of those guys don't suck, they just don't deserve to be drafted in the top 5. Thankfully, there are options at #5 that are perfect for the Chiefs. Options so perfect that it isn't worth trading down to acquire more players of lesser caliber.

It's the interesting thing about picking high. You naturally get bracketed into an extremely small pool of players. Not that that's always a bad thing, or that it's a bad thing in 2010 for the Chiefs, but it seems like it happens, whereas in the #10 spot you have a wider array as the talent distribution starts spreading.

I'm absolutely not advocating trading down, though. If you can take an elite player, you take the elite player.

Mecca 04-18-2010 02:08 PM

Why am I not surprised, truth be told I doubt teams will be willing to give up that much to move this year, when a class has depth no one wants to part with their 2nd round pick.

DeezNutz 04-18-2010 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 6684111)
And I'm not preaching at you, OTW58. I'm preaching at the world.

Oh, so this post was directed at me? Well, I heard you.

And you're wrong.

Rain Man 04-18-2010 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6684129)
Oh, so this post was directed at me? Well, I heard you.

And you're wrong.


At least 40 percent of it was directed at China and India.

Tribal Warfare 04-18-2010 02:16 PM

Tis the time of misinformation, also Lombardi reported that KC signed Cassel to a 30 million dollar guaranteed contract on draft day when he didn't sign shit yet.

Rain Man 04-18-2010 02:21 PM

I realize that this is crazy talk, but I have to say, the more I read about C.J. Spiller, the more intrigued I become. Would we draft a guy who could line up with Charles for a "lightning and even more lightning" backfield, and then also solve our kick return problems?


(Ducking and running for cover.)

Mr. Laz 04-18-2010 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 6684136)
At least 40 percent of it was directed at China and India.

you know they couldn't understand what you said though

Pushead2 04-18-2010 02:27 PM

I want the draft to come and then it'll be months of bitching of who we didn't take. Yessssssssssssssssss........ :spock:

beer bacon 04-18-2010 02:27 PM

It would be nice if people could wait to lose their shit until after we screw up our draft.

What sort of a pick in the first half round would we need to get to Graham?

beer bacon 04-18-2010 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6684123)
Why am I not surprised, truth be told I doubt teams will be willing to give up that much to move this year, when a class has depth no one wants to part with their 2nd round pick.

The only way we could get a decent trade is if some team is terribly desperate for whoever is left at #5. Otherwise everyone is going to be looking to add more 2nd and 3rd rounders in this draft just like we are.

Reaper16 04-18-2010 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 6684148)
I realize that this is crazy talk, but I have to say, the more I read about C.J. Spiller, the more intrigued I become. Would we draft a guy who could line up with Charles for a "lightning and even more lightning" backfield, and then also solve our kick return problems?


(Ducking and running for cover.)

He's worth the pick. Dude is pretty legit. There are worse options at #5.


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