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Chiefnj2 11-07-2011 07:35 PM

It's amazing that the NCAA has rules and built in sanctions if a collegiate player receives a free bag of potato chips, but something like this they are powerless to impose penalties.

OnTheWarpath15 11-07-2011 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8090386)
Zilla, you are a coward of epic proportions. You think it took a lot of courage to walk away from a child being molested to tell your dad, but not attempt to stop the act?

His career will likely suffer a lot more now than if he had reported it and stopped it.

I'm sure he would have had trouble at job interviews "I'm the guy that was fired because I reported the coordinator was molesting children in the team shower. I'm sure you don't want someone like me on your team and that you'd prefer Joe Po and the rest of the staff that turned a blind eye to such a thing."

QFMFT.

Rep.

Marcellus 11-07-2011 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8090383)
I'm not sure which is more ridiculous.

You trying to defend McQueary, or thinking the guy would be blackballed from college football or any other job because he turned in a child molester.

No shit. He may be done NOW that this is out. In the end it will be worse for him now. (No pun intended)

stonedstooge 11-07-2011 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8090378)
Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
Scary shit. Being afraid to turn on authority is human nature. I'd like to believe I'd act differently, but it's easy to say that from the sidelines. Let me ask you this. If you studied to be a lawyer. You spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on tuition, education, etc... Spent endless nights cramming for the bar. You land a great job. You work your ass off and finally earn some respect. You catch one of the partners doing something wildly inappropriate. This partner's a powerful guy. If you say a word about it, you not only lose your job, he can find a way to get you dis-barred, and he'll make sure to let everyone he knows to make sure you never get a decent job ever again. You've got a family and kids. You've got 30 years ahead of you. Now we're no longer talking about losing $100,000 a year, we're talking about losing $3 Million (over 30 years).

I'm a pretty ethical guy. But I believe if I saw a guy murdering someone on the street, my first reaction would be absolute fear. For my own life. I hate that that's the case, but I'm trying to be realistic. I think grilling a young, impressionable kid for not turning in probably the 2nd most powerful guy not just on the team, but even on campus... that's not as easy as we make it out to be from the sidelines.

First thing is you have to be able to live with yourself. You think you could with something like this hanging over your head?

KCUnited 11-07-2011 07:39 PM

I don't care if the kid in the shower was Andy Reid developed, something more needed to be done.

Brock 11-07-2011 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8090378)
I'm a pretty ethical guy. But I believe if I saw a guy murdering someone on the street, my first reaction would be absolute fear. For my own life. I hate that that's the case, but I'm trying to be realistic. I think grilling a young, impressionable kid for not turning in probably the 2nd most powerful guy not just on the team, but even on campus... that's not as easy as we make it out to be from the sidelines.

Seeing someone being murdered isn't in the same universe as this.

chiefzilla1501 11-07-2011 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8090383)
I'm not sure which is more ridiculous.

You trying to defend McQueary, or thinking the guy would be blackballed from college football or any other job because he turned in a child molester.

Hi, I'm an NCAA head coach looking to hire an Assistant. My school commits all kinds of borderline shady recruiting violations and I'm looking for a defensive coach. So let me "do the right thing" and please do me a huge, huge favor, and don't turn in anything you see on the recruiting front to the NCAA. I can trust you, right? Pretty please?

But I'm going to hire you, because you did the right thing.

FringeNC 11-07-2011 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8090389)
It's amazing that the NCAA has rules and built in sanctions if a collegiate player receives a free bag of potato chips, but something like this they are powerless to impose penalties.

Why surprised? NCAA sanctions are a cartel enforcement device, and have nothing to do with what is right or wrong.

chiefzilla1501 11-07-2011 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by stonedstooge (Post 8090394)
First thing is you have to be able to live with yourself. You think you could with something like this hanging over your head?

I can't imagine it doesn't beat the living shit out of him every day thinking about it.

mcaj22 11-07-2011 07:46 PM

this will be interesting because if people start cutting deals to provide more information/sell people out that were involved, I have a feeling its going to go right to the top and I read that's the prosecutions plan, they have an idea of how much the higher ups knew to cover this up and now its all about actually getting something that sticks.

and that is having one of these other bozos crack, and admit all the big wigs at Penn State knew about this for 10+ years.

which is very likely.

OnTheWarpath15 11-07-2011 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8090415)
Hi, I'm an NCAA head coach looking to hire an Assistant. My school commits all kinds of borderline shady recruiting violations and I'm looking for a defensive coach. So let me "do the right thing" and please do me a huge, huge favor, and don't turn in anything you see on the recruiting front to the NCAA. I can trust you, right? Pretty please?

But I'm going to hire you, because you did the right thing.

Holy shit, just when I think your posts in this thread couldn't possibly get any more ignorant, you post this.

*speechless*

BryanBusby 11-07-2011 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8090415)
Hi, I'm an NCAA head coach looking to hire an Assistant. My school commits all kinds of borderline shady recruiting violations and I'm looking for a defensive coach. So let me "do the right thing" and please do me a huge, huge favor, and don't turn in anything you see on the recruiting front to the NCAA. I can trust you, right? Pretty please?

But I'm going to hire you, because you did the right thing.

Hi, I'm an NCAA head coach looking to hire a recruiting coordinator. I would prefer one will make parents feel like they are making a good safe decision by sending their kid to our institution. Nothing assures parents more than sending someone that kept quiet about child rape.

eazyb81 11-07-2011 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8090386)
Zilla, you are a coward of epic proportions. You think it took a lot of courage to walk away from a child being molested to tell your dad, but not attempt to stop the act?

His career will likely suffer a lot more now than if he had reported it and stopped it.

I'm sure he would have had trouble at job interviews "I'm the guy that was fired because I reported the coordinator was molesting children in the team shower. I'm sure you don't want someone like me on your team and that you'd prefer Joe Po and the rest of the staff that turned a blind eye to such a thing."

No shit. It is laughable that anyone can argue 1) McQeary was brave for walking away and letting a 10 year continue to get raped, and 2) His career would have been over in football if he blew the whistle on a serial child molester.

The pussification of this country continues.

Frazod 11-07-2011 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8090386)
Zilla, you are a coward of epic proportions. You think it took a lot of courage to walk away from a child being molested to tell your dad, but not attempt to stop the act?

His career will likely suffer a lot more now than if he had reported it and stopped it.

I'm sure he would have had trouble at job interviews "I'm the guy that was fired because I reported the coordinator was molesting children in the team shower. I'm sure you don't want someone like me on your team and that you'd prefer Joe Po and the rest of the staff that turned a blind eye to such a thing."

It's nice that some of you live in a perfect world where powerful people are always brought to justice. And not a world where powerful people protect their own against scandal to ridiculous degrees, own the local police, control the local media, etc. Suppose the kid won't admit the truth? He's under the guy's spell enough that he's willing to suck his dick in the shower - do you really think Sandusky couldn't get him to lie? Or threaten his parents? Or have some goons do it? No other witness, victim says your full of shit, no proof, cops don't want to pursue it, press won't touch it, and BOOM you're out of a job, nobody believes you, and maybe you wake up with a horse head at the foot of your bed one morning.

I like to think I'd do the right thing as well, but I've never been in that position and hope to Christ I never am. And I think child molestation is worse than murder.

chiefzilla1501 11-07-2011 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8090386)
Zilla, you are a coward of epic proportions. You think it took a lot of courage to walk away from a child being molested to tell your dad, but not attempt to stop the act?

His career will likely suffer a lot more now than if he had reported it and stopped it.

I'm sure he would have had trouble at job interviews "I'm the guy that was fired because I reported the coordinator was molesting children in the team shower. I'm sure you don't want someone like me on your team and that you'd prefer Joe Po and the rest of the staff that turned a blind eye to such a thing."

The scariest shit about human psychology is that we all know what's right, but throw yourself in that kind of a situation, and we all panic and act in ways we shouldn't. It's been psychologically tested over and over again that many of us would have acted the same way.

Unfortunately, it's easy to talk a big game on the sidelines. Of course he didn't do the right thing. But when you see shit like that, your mind isn't right. We panic. And a million thoughts swirl through your brain. I'd like to believe I'd do the right thing in that situation. I'm just pointing to the reality that it's not as simple as that.


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