Don't know where Petro found it, but his downfield completion percentage over his career is better than Orton.

I guess I should just change my argument. Because it isn't really who is better, it is that Orton still isn't good enough.

But, if you asked me to pick a QB out of those two for the NFL, it has to be Cassel.

Why? Orton doesn't put in the work, and football isn't his first priority.

See, that is why McDaniels loves Cassel. That is why I would choose Cassel over Orton.

This is what I saw a LOT of. He WOULD get players to move to the left or the right if they were REALLY in the wrong spot, and usually have to call timeout and be pissed off (as he should be). But there were WAY too many procedural penalties called under Cassel for my tastes. This is an indictment on both he and his offensive coaches.

He's the same guy he was in Denver. He's a decent QB. Gratz on the win.

I have been preaching that orton is underrated since he was with the bears :/

Hey, I at least respect you. The ones that suddenly preached how good he was after he was acquired by the Chiefs got under my skin.

The same guys that were sure that Cassel was better last offseason.

One game, chill out...

Not me. I said he was as good as Carson Palmer and WAY cheaper. I'll go ahead and say we no longer need to think QB in the draft.

As opposed to all those OC's who customize game plans to maximize mistakes and make risky passes.

Hey, don't talk about Haley like that.

Over his career. Thats what happens when you have the best jump ball receiver of all time in Randy moss. Daunte Culpepper was nails when he had moss too.

Your comment on or ton's work ethic are ridiculous and unfounded. from what I've heard, he has a very good work ethic and his teammates like him. Mcdaniels loved cassel because he knew he could run his system. You have no idea who he would choose today. Remember, he chose cassel over orton in Denver because he had never worked with orton before.

Also, the fact that cassel puts in a ton of work and doesn't improve is a huge concern.

No, cassel does not make good pre snap adjustments. Too many plays where you see more blitzers than blockers. That's a qb issue.

Nobody here wants orton as a long term option. You are the only one who for whatever bizarre reason thinks cassel is any good. Again, the chiefs didn't have problems with play calling or communication last year. And cassel still struggled, despite his stats. Quite simply, he is a one read guy. You send in the play and he throws to his primary target or else check down. That works when you have moss. It does not work when you have even very good receivers like bowe.

The packers game plan around Aaron Rodgers. And they are not afraid to dial up higher risk pass plays.

The chiefs game plan to keep the ball out of cassels hands. Because when they put it squarely in his hands, he struggles.

Thats the huge distinction.

That's not the opposite of what I said. The opposite is taking chances for bigger gains and executing passes into challenging windows. Things proficient QBs can take advantage of

Orton did just what i thought he would do, show us all how Shitty Cassel and Haley both are.

and it feels nice beating a contender.

Please don't make me have respect for Muir. That's all I ask.

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