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htismaqe 03-13-2012 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 8448404)
I believe htis' position is that he would rather just go with Cassel this year ... suck ... get everyone cut/fired ... get a high draft pick ... move forward.

Instead of getting moderate improvement from Orton and keep inching forward.
No, not at all.

1. I don't think Cassel is going to suck bad enough to get everyone fired.

2. I DO think Cassel will be mediocre enough that they'll finally move on from him, given what they've said so far this offseason.

3. I don't believe Orton provides moderate improvement. I don't believe signing Orton is inching forward. I believe Orton is "more of the same".

4. The reasons for canning Cassel after 2011/2012 simply won't exist for Orton. If Orton becomes the starter, the "excuse" counter gets reset to zero. He'll be here for at least 2 or 3 years.

htismaqe 03-13-2012 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8448411)
I'm a bit worried that Orton, if he indeed would be an upgrade, would do nothing but perpetuate the mediocrity.

Slight improvement...calls for Orton to get "more help" because he's "earned another year." Same shit we've always been dealing with.

Yeah, Orton would probably be better for this team in the immediate future, but I don't think there's any chance in hell that we can win a SB with him. None. So it's kind of one those things where it's easy to say, "What's the point?"

So, yeah. I guess I would rather have Orton than Cassel, but...
Kind of what I'm saying...

Bambi 03-13-2012 01:27 PM
lol, anyone listening to Keitzman?

He's still in on Manning!

Dave Lane 03-13-2012 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 8447968)
Kyle Orton isn't going to be that QB that puts the team on his back and takes them to the promise land. Orton is that QB that will allow your team to play to its strengths and not **** you when the game is on the line.

Cassel is neither.
No Orton is the guy that will play well and then **** you when the game is on the line. Ask any Broncos fans why Tim ****ing Tebow beat him out and why he was cut midseason. He sucks in the clutch. Throws a pick 6 at the wrong time.

It's so sad we are so beaten down as chiefs fans that we see Orton as anything more than a guy. He's not look at all the threads from when Orton was sent to the donks and how hard we laughed at them. Now the rest of the league is laughing at us for wanting to sign him.

htismaqe 03-13-2012 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 8448449)
lol, anyone listening to Keitzman?

He's still in on Manning!
Actually he's talking about some guy getting stabbed in the femoral artery with a putter...

And he just called the guy from Sporting KC Rob "Hymen".

ROFL

htismaqe 03-13-2012 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 8448452)
No Orton is the guy that will play well and then **** you when the game is on the line. Ask any Broncos fans why Tim ****ing Tebow beat him out and why he was cut midseason. He sucks in the clutch. Throws a pick 6 at the wrong time.

It's so sad we are so beaten down as chiefs fans that we see Orton as anything more than a guy. He's not look at all the threads from when Orton was sent to the donks and how hard we laughed at them. Now the rest of the league is laughing at us for wanting to sign him.
:clap:

dirk digler 03-13-2012 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 8448404)
I believe htis' position is that he would rather just go with Cassel this year ... suck ... get everyone cut/fired ... get a high draft pick ... move forward.

Instead of getting moderate improvement from Orton and keep inching forward.
Well if that is the case I am all for it.

htismaqe 03-13-2012 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 8448481)
Well if that is the case I am all for it.
We couldn't be that lucky.

the Talking Can 03-13-2012 01:38 PM
i'd like to thank Candy Wrapper Pioli for making us choose between Cassel and Orton...

4 years of Scott

Titty Meat 03-13-2012 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8448492)
i'd like to thank Candy Wrapper Pioli for making us choose between Cassel and Orton...

4 years of Scott
Heh this is what the highest paid GM gets us. Way to go Clark!

The Bad Guy 03-13-2012 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8448492)
i'd like to thank Candy Wrapper Pioli for making us choose between Cassel and Orton...

4 years of Scott
Hopefully someone turns over a rock and it crushes him.

Carlota69 03-13-2012 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 8448449)
lol, anyone listening to Keitzman?

He's still in on Manning!
Whats his schtick now?

The Bad Guy 03-13-2012 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8448488)
We couldn't be that lucky.
Yep. We aren't.

Pioli is honestly here for a long, long time.

Clark is going to purge everyone but him.

htismaqe 03-13-2012 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 8448511)
Yep. We aren't.

Pioli is honestly here for a long, long time.

Clark is going to purge everyone but him.
We had our 3 years of top 10 picks and we ****ed them up.

Now we're back in our 7-9/9-7 cycle.

It will be another 10 years before anything changes.

Mike in SW-MO 03-13-2012 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 8448381)
No argument there. But let's not forget they were missing their best RB and TE and the play calling was suspect at best.

I am not saying Orton is great or above average or maybe even average but he is better than Cassel by a country mile. I would rather have neither of them unless in a backup role but because the Chiefs are ****ing stupid it looks like they are the only option at this point.
Plus they were moving the ball fine and scored a TD before Bowed went down.

Lack of success not surprising with no running game, no #1 receiver, no pass-catching TE, being protected by BR.


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