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htismaqe 12-11-2012 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 9200483)
See this is where we disagree. There is a top 2 and then a bunch of others. I just don't see how Barkley is considered a top QB.
As mentioned early and you agreed Barkley has a weaker arm than Chad Pennington and is not a cerebral as Pennington was. How is Barkley top anything? Oh yeah because he is available and you are desperate.

I did NOT agree that Barkley had a weaker arm than Pennington, NO I DID NOT.

Let me put it this way - name an option for QB that is BETTER than taking Barkley at #3.

Alex Smith? Trying to go after Matt Flynn?

Or would you prefer to do nothing and go into next season with a battle between Brady Quinn and Matt Cassel?

Oh let me guess, you're gonna trade down and play Russion Roulette with the most important position in professional sports.

keg in kc 12-11-2012 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9200504)
Oh let me guess, you're gonna trade down and play Russion Roulette with the most important position in professional sports.

We haven't drafted one in like 25 years. Why would we change that now? Especially when there's possibly a 49ers backup available.

DeezNutz 12-11-2012 05:05 PM

If someone wants to identify an alternative course of action other than the draft, I'm ready to read and be convinced of it. I'll champion the cause to go balls deep on this QB in an effort to "save the Chiefs."

But I need to know whom we're targeting and how we're acquiring this QB. Be very specific. If not, you really have no plan.

My plan is to draft Smith, Wilson, or Barkley. I'm doing this with the team's first selection in the first round. These are each very talented QBs whom I believe will instantly improve the roster.

Now give me your plan and explain how QB __ makes more sense.

keg in kc 12-11-2012 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9200506)
If someone wants to identify an alternative course of action other than the draft, I'm ready to read and be convinced of it. I'll champion the cause to go balls deep on this QB in an effort to "save the Chiefs."

But I need to know whom we're targeting and how we're acquiring this QB. Be very specific. If not, you really have no plan.

My plan is to draft Smith, Wilson, or Barkley. I'm doing this with the team's first selection in the first round. These are each very talented QBs whom I believe will instantly improve the roster.

Now give me your plan and explain how QB __ makes more sense.

Give up whatever it takes to get Cousins and platoon him and Stanzi? Clone a child of the two and name him Stanzins?

DeezNutz 12-11-2012 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9200506)
If someone wants to identify an alternative course of action other than the draft, I'm ready to read and be convinced of it. I'll champion the cause to go balls deep on this QB in an effort to "save the Chiefs."

But I need to know whom we're targeting and how we're acquiring this QB. Be very specific. If not, you really have no plan.

My plan is to draft Smith, Wilson, or Barkley. I'm doing this with the team's first selection in the first round. These are each very talented QBs whom I believe will instantly improve the roster.

Now give me your plan and explain how QB __ makes more sense.

Yep. Figured this type of post might kill the thread.

Chief Roundup 12-11-2012 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9200504)
I did NOT agree that Barkley had a weaker arm than Pennington, NO I DID NOT.

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Isn't Barkley basically Chad Pennington?


He did show some spunk under pressure late in the year which helped a lot in my eyes but still ...
Posted by Laz

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No. He's not Chad Pennington.

Barkley can't drive the ball down the field with his arm but he can make the intermediate throws.
Posted by htismage commenting back to Laz.

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No Pennington had a stronger arm coming out of college. His arm strength was never the greatest but he didn't have the arm issues until after the shoulder issues. Not to mention Pennington was a much more cerebral than Barkley.
My comment to Laz

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Yeah, Pennington had a bunch of shoulder problems.
Your comment back to me.


Your comments in http://http://www.chiefsplanet.com/B...d.php?t=263693 sure seem to say something different at least to me.

htismaqe 12-11-2012 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9200516)
Give up whatever it takes to get Cousins and platoon him and Stanzi? Clone a child of the two and name him Stanzins?

ROFL

:Lin:

ROFL

htismaqe 12-11-2012 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 9200543)
Posted by Laz

Posted by htismage commenting back to Laz.

My comment to Laz

Your comment back to me.


Your comments in http://http://www.chiefsplanet.com/B...d.php?t=263693 sure seem to say something different at least to me.

He asked if Barkley was Chad Pennington and I said "no" - it doesn't get any more clear than that. There's an implied statement about Pennington in my statement about Barkley.

"Barkley can't drive the ball down the field with his arm but he can make the intermediate throws" - the part in bold implies that Barkley can make the intermediate throws while Pennington struggled with them.

My reply to you was specifically about Pennington's shoulder issues, not your comments on his arm strength.

Brock 12-11-2012 05:26 PM

Good christ. :facepalm:

Chief Roundup 12-11-2012 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9200553)
He asked if Barkley was Chad Pennington and I said "no" - it doesn't get any more clear than that. There's an implied statement about Pennington in my statement about Barkley.

"Barkley can't drive the ball down the field with his arm but he can make the intermediate throws" - the part in bold implies that Barkley can make the intermediate throws while Pennington struggled with them.

My reply to you was specifically about Pennington's shoulder issues, not your comments on his arm strength.

Who can't make the intermediate throws. We need a QB that can drive the ball downfield.

DeezNutz 12-11-2012 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 9200566)
Who can't make the intermediate throws. We need a QB that can drive the ball downfield.

Not worried.

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htismaqe 12-11-2012 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 9200566)
Who can't make the intermediate throws. We need a QB that can drive the ball downfield.

Lots of QBs can't make the intermediate throws, Lord knows Cassel and Quinn can't.

You can win in this game using an offense that relies on accuracy/timing (something Barkley has) and YAC (something Bowe excels at).

Barkley isn't all that different than Drew Brees in this aspect.

htismaqe 12-11-2012 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9200574)
Not worried.

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He throws a nice fade. I worry that it hangs a little though - NFL CBs can close on that pretty fast.

keg in kc 12-11-2012 05:33 PM

That's actually one of the things I like the most about Smith. He's got the cannon, can deliver the 50-yard strike on target. But he can also make basically any other throw. And he has touch. You won't see him breaking guys fingers on slants or throwing screens with no arc on the delivery.

DeezNutz 12-11-2012 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9200584)
That's actually one of the things I like the most about Smith. He's got the cannon, can deliver the 50-yard strike on target. But he can also make basically any other throw. And he has touch. You won't see him breaking guys fingers on slants or throwing screens with no arc on the delivery.

True enough. I see it as:

Smith
Wilson


Barkley.


But the last option is substantially better than anything else available to us (still waiting on someone to offer another plan), and is a legitimate first-round talent whom we could build around and win with.


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