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Sorter 12-14-2012 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by bricks (Post 9208575)
RGIII is a special player.

How do we know if Geno is that good?

Is there an elite QB prospect in this draft?
Well, if you haven ability at all in evaluating QBs, it would seem fairly easy to see that Geno is a better prospect and more complete of a passer than Ryan, Stafford, Bradford, Tannehill Weeden, Wilson, Newton, Flacco, etc.

How do "we" know if Geno is that good? Well, why don't you start by watching some ****ing games. Youtube is a wonderful free entity that might help you out there.

I don't know how you define "elite QB prospect" but he's the best prospect not named RG3 or Luck to come out in quite some time. So, for me, he's elite.

HemiEd 12-14-2012 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9207666)
Current franchise QBs who were not considered "elite" at the time they were drafted:
1) Tom Brady
2) Drew Brees
3) Matt Ryan
4) Ben Roethlisberger
5) Matt Schaub
6) Josh Freeman
7) Philip Rivers
Do you think all of those are elite now?

I might argue with you on a couple of them not being considered elite at draft time, but that is not the path I want to go down.

BigCatDaddy 12-14-2012 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 9208588)
Other than that whole winning the Heisman thing. let's not rewrite history.
Because everyone expects Heisman winning QB's to be special in the NFL. Go back and check mock drafts from this time last year. Hell there was a debate on if we should take him at 11 if he was there.

You heard all the usual crap. "He's a running QB." "He plays in the spread." "The offense and/or WR's are the reason for his numbers".

Let's not rewrite history that him and Luck were 1A and 1B all season long.

bricks 12-14-2012 03:56 PM
As much as I want the QB, I want a the head coach just as bad.

RGIII is great, and I have to attribute some of his successes to Shanny.

No way do I see him having that type if success here especially with this coaching staff and management, can't see it.

HemiEd 12-14-2012 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9207704)
Amongst many of the scouting services, Ryan and Rivers were absolutely considered elite prospects. They weren't consensus like Eli Manning but they were considered elite prospects. Freeman and Roethlisberger were in that "next" group ala Ryan Tannehill last year.
:banghead: I should have read one post further down.

Sweet Daddy Hate 12-14-2012 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by bricks (Post 9208596)
As much as I want the QB, I want a the head coach just as bad.

RGIII is great, and I have to attribute some of his successes to Shanny.

No way do I see him having that type if success here especially with this coaching staff and management, can't see it.
This I'll concede. Our coaching staff( along with management, ownership, hot dog vendors etc.)is absolute dogshit and twice as useless.

htismaqe 12-14-2012 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by bricks (Post 9208596)
As much as I want the QB, I want a the head coach just as bad.

RGIII is great, and I have to attribute some of his successes to Shanny.

No way do I see him having that type if success here especially with this coaching staff and management, can't see it.
Tony Dungy won a Super Bowl. Lovie Smith and Bill Callahan coached in Super Bowls.

Without the QB, coaching means nothing.

And with the RIGHT QB, even mediocre coaches can win it all.

HemiEd 12-14-2012 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9207942)
They did hit pay dirt, too.

Lucky for us they were too ****ing stupid to know what to do with it.

I know they had already drafted Rivers at that point, but when you have the season that Brees did in his last year in San Diego, how are you not tempted to take what you know is a good thing and cut your losses by trading the other?
Brees got hurt, and they were not sure he would recover from the injury.

HemiEd 12-14-2012 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by bricks (Post 9208538)
If the Chiefs have the #1 overall pick, and the Bills come along and want to trade up to the Chiefs slot, would you do it?

The Chiefs could possibly still get a QB with Bills pick. But just knowing that they could receive a ton from the Bills, hmmmm....something to think about.

I'm with the majority that they should draft a QB, but, I don't think that you have to go 1st overall to get one. I still think they should draft one in the 1st regardless though.

I just don't feel as if drafting a QB is going to be the answer overnight. This team needs more than just a QB, if they can still get a ton of picks and a QB then the chances of addressing the holes on this team improve far more significantly.

It's something to think about. Having the 1st overall pick is almost like a luxury in this case.
They need to take the one that they think is best, not the one the Bills didn't pick. Just once, just ****ing once, go all in on a QB.

Brock 12-14-2012 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 9208593)
Because everyone expects Heisman winning QB's to be special in the NFL. Go back and check mock drafts from this time last year. Hell there was a debate on if we should take him at 11 if he was there.

You heard all the usual crap. "He's a running QB." "He plays in the spread." "The offense and/or WR's are the reason for his numbers".

Let's not rewrite history that him and Luck were 1A and 1B all season long.
I'm just saying that "Nobody thought RGIII was anything special this time last year" is bullshit.

BigCatDaddy 12-14-2012 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 9208697)
I'm just saying that "Nobody thought RGIII was anything special this time last year" is bullshit.
I guess it depends on what you mean by special. Nobody was saying he would do in the NFL what he is doing right now for sure.

FlaChief58 12-14-2012 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by bricks (Post 9208538)
If the Chiefs have the #1 overall pick, and the Bills come along and want to trade up to the Chiefs slot, would you do it?

The Chiefs could possibly still get a QB with Bills pick. But just knowing that they could receive a ton from the Bills, hmmmm....something to think about.

I'm with the majority that they should draft a QB, but, I don't think that you have to go 1st overall to get one. I still think they should draft one in the 1st regardless though.

I just don't feel as if drafting a QB is going to be the answer overnight. This team needs more than just a QB, if they can still get a ton of picks and a QB then the chances of addressing the holes on this team improve far more significantly.

It's something to think about. Having the 1st overall pick is almost like a luxury in this case.

No. QB is the only choice for this team. They get the pick of the litter with the #1 overall so, trading out of that spot and hoping your guy will be there when you do finally pick is stupid IMO. Identify who you think "the man" is and take him.

QB may not fix everything thats wrong with this team but, it can fix a whole helluva lot

Sorter 12-14-2012 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 9208702)
I guess it depends on what you mean by special. Nobody was saying he would do in the NFL what he is doing right now for sure.
Speak for yourself.

BossChief 12-14-2012 04:47 PM
The guys who didn't know RG3 would be this good are McShay and Kiper.

He was at the bottom of the first on both guys big boards last year this time.

Molitoth 12-14-2012 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9208591)
Well, if you haven ability at all in evaluating QBs, it would seem fairly easy to see that Geno is a better prospect and more complete of a passer than Ryan, Stafford, Bradford, Tannehill Weeden, Wilson, Newton, Flacco, etc.

How do "we" know if Geno is that good? Well, why don't you start by watching some ****ing games. Youtube is a wonderful free entity that might help you out there.

I don't know how you define "elite QB prospect" but he's the best prospect not named RG3 or Luck to come out in quite some time. So, for me, he's elite.
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