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milkman 02-23-2013 07:26 AM

First, what no one even begins note, is that last season was only Albert's 4th season in his playing career at the. LT position.

He had to learn on the job essentially, and has just started to touch his potential.
He still has more upside, and hasn't even come close to reaching his cceiling, and he is already a top LT.

If you want to argue that Joekel. Has more potential, I would disagree with argument.

Second, to patteau's idea, it simply is not a sound financial decision.

Forget the fact that you'd be paying LT money to guard.

With your plan, with the rookie slotting, you would be committing 15 to 16 mil a year to just 2 line positions.


Not a sound allotent of.

milkman 02-23-2013 07:30 AM

That is not a sound allotment of money, even with a lot of cap space.

Agent V 02-23-2013 07:37 AM

What fresh ****ing Hell is this?

ILChief 02-23-2013 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus (Post 9427698)
Who the **** is Alberts?

Why is our fan base comprised of 2/3 reeruns?

I don't know but if you like the Chiefs on Facebook, go read the comments on their post with the Geno press conf. Yesterday

griZZly64 02-23-2013 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 9427173)
What the **** is this.

lmao im cracking up

BigMeatballDave 02-23-2013 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 9427716)
I don't know but if you like the Chiefs on Facebook, go read the comments on their post with the Geno press conf. Yesterday

Loads of reeruns in there.

Agent V 02-23-2013 07:55 AM

Can't wait for my Alberts jersey to get here. Complements my Dwayne Powe jersey quite well.

Ace Gunner 02-23-2013 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9427700)
First, what no one even begins note, is that last season was only Albert's 4th season in his playing career at the. LT position.

He had to learn on the job essentially, and has just started to touch his potential.
He still has more upside, and hasn't even come close to reaching his cceiling, and he is already a top LT.

If you want to argue that Joekel. Has more potential, I would disagree with argument.

Second, to patteau's idea, it simply is not a sound financial decision.

Forget the fact that you'd be paying LT money to guard.

With your plan, with the rookie slotting, you would be committing 15 to 16 mil a year to just 2 line positions.

Not a sound Llotment of.

I would like to see them re -- up Albert at LT and let this existing OL come in and play a season. This would free up that #1 pick which should be used on the QB regardless what a reach it will be, this franchise needs to get in the QB sweepstakes for once in its damn life and stay in it because that is key in today's goodell happy NFL.

But, Joeckel is a better pass blocker than Albert and will always be better at this than Albert. He is quick/agressive in adjusting and keeping pass rushers in front of him, which requires quick feet and strong upper body -- Brandon Albert just does not have this, he's more or less a guy that will buy you a few moments pass protection and then he loses his guy to a move of some sort, but I think he's good enough for a quick passing scheme like Reid's WCO.

BlackHelicopters 02-23-2013 07:58 AM

Wait. What?

Rasputin 02-23-2013 07:58 AM

We got franchise LT in Albert no reason in hell to give up on him now.


This rookie scale is kind of back fireing it seems for some vets if teams don't want to pony up and pay big contracts to players who have earned the right to get payed. They can just dump on a guy and get a replacement at a discount in the draft. If that's what they do to Albert then the rookie pay scale system is flawed & defeats the purpose of it all.

BigMeatballDave 02-23-2013 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls (Post 9427733)

But, Joeckel is a better pass blocker than Albert and will always be better at this than Albert. He is quick/agressive in adjusting and keeping pass rushers in front of him, which requires quick feet and strong upper body -- Brandon Albert just does not have this, he's more or less a guy that will buy you a few moments pass protection and then he loses his guy to a move of some sort, but I think he's good enough for a quick passing scheme like Reid's WCO.

ROFL Are you really comparing a collegiate level LT that has not seen a second of action in the NFL to a NFL vet entering his 6th season at LT?

Ace Gunner 02-23-2013 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9427746)
ROFL Are you really comparing a collegiate level LT that has not seen a second of action in the NFL to a NFL vet entering his 6th season at LT?

oh he'll get his rookie lumps, but he's better at pass protection than Albert will ever be. that dude is a technician at the LT position. i know it hurts your lil vag to read somebody else is better than your lil chiefee, but this lesson will help you grow up.

oh. wait.

Rasputin 02-23-2013 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls (Post 9427766)
oh he'll get his rookie lumps, but he's better at pass protection than Albert will ever be. that dude is a technician at the LT position. i know it hurts your lil vag to read somebody else is better than your lil chiefee, but this lesson will help you grow up.

oh. wait.

Joeckeloff can be the next Willie Roaf I don't give a **** won't matter with out a franchise QB that we will miss out on. **** Joeckel defeats any purpose of having the number 1 pick in the draft.

milkman 02-23-2013 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls (Post 9427733)
I would like to see them re -- up Albert at LT and let this existing OL come in and play a season. This would free up that #1 pick which should be used on the QB regardless what a reach it will be, this franchise needs to get in the QB sweepstakes for once in its damn life and stay in it because that is key in today's goodell happy NFL.

But, Joeckel is a better pass blocker than Albert and will always be better at this than Albert. He is quick/agressive in adjusting and keeping pass rushers in front of him, which requires quick feet and strong upper body -- Brandon Albert just does not have this, he's more or less a guy that will buy you a few moments pass protection and then he loses his guy to a move of some sort, but I think he's good enough for a quick passing scheme like Reid's WCO.

Further proof that you have no idea what you are talking about.

In drills at the combines, Abert displayed quickness that rivaled Ryan Clady.

His issues have always been technique.

He just started to use his hands and his hips properly last season.
He had been just trying to win his battles previously simply by leaning on people.

He still has some work to do to clean up his technique, but. You don't give up only one sack

duncan_idaho 02-23-2013 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls (Post 9427733)
I would like to see them re -- up Albert at LT and let this existing OL come in and play a season. This would free up that #1 pick which should be used on the QB regardless what a reach it will be, this franchise needs to get in the QB sweepstakes for once in its damn life and stay in it because that is key in today's goodell happy NFL.

But, Joeckel is a better pass blocker than Albert and will always be better at this than Albert. He is quick/agressive in adjusting and keeping pass rushers in front of him, which requires quick feet and strong upper body -- Brandon Albert just does not have this, he's more or less a guy that will buy you a few moments pass protection and then he loses his guy to a move of some sort, but I think he's good enough for a quick passing scheme like Reid's WCO.

Brandon Albert gave up one sack in pass pro last year. He is an excellent pass protector and grades out as such. The CHiefs' average rush when running left also speaks well for Albert's abilities as a run blocker. Joeckel is PROJECTED to be an excellent NFL pass pro guy, but he also had problems with the bull rush at times in college and was exposed a few times just this season by guys with legit NFL strength/speed combos.

Joeckel is NOT a flawless prospect. Just like everyone else in this draft.


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