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duncan_idaho 03-14-2013 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 9497092)
And the conventional wisdom is that Elway didn't win a superbowl until he had a running back. What's your point and how is it relevant to the issue of whether or not a pick or a trade for a single player should be judged on the basis of team performance?
Then the conventional wisdom is dumb.

Elway didn't win a Super Bowl until he had a better team around him, including a RB, and an offensive system that took full advantage of his immense natural abilities.

kcxiv 03-14-2013 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 9497106)
Post after post what I gather from you is that QB is not the most important position on the field.

What I'm trying to say is that you can have the best player to ever live at certain positions, and it won't matter if your QB sucks the shit.

More often than not, an Elite QB goes to/wins the superbowl.
Every once in a great while, a mediocre one can do it when surrounded by a great team.

I'd think it's easier to find that 1 guy, than finding the "right 53".
Yup yet the chiefs try it the hardest possible way and have failed time and time again. Then the organization keeps trying to do it that way.

It's mind boggling that it keeps happening. The chiefs are the only franchise in the nfl keeps trying it this way. Shouldn't that tell the fans hey this is wrong.

DaKCMan AP 03-14-2013 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 9497106)
Post after post what I gather from you is that QB is not the most important position on the field.

What I'm trying to say is that you can have the best player to ever live at certain positions, and it won't matter if your QB sucks the shit.

More often than not, an Elite QB goes to/wins the superbowl.
Every once in a great while, a mediocre one can do it when surrounded by a great team.

I'd think it's easier to find that 1 guy, than finding the "right 53".
pat's stuck in the 80's-90's. He's repeatedly undervalued the QB position all over this board. I'd say he should just stick to the DC forum but he's just as lost over there. Sad story.

MahiMike 03-14-2013 10:30 AM
Why do you guys continue to torment yourselves?

BigCatDaddy 03-14-2013 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 9497133)
Why do you guys continue to torment yourselves?
It's the Chiefs way.

ptlyon 03-14-2013 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9497125)
Then the conventional wisdom is dumb.

Elway didn't win a Super Bowl until he had a better team around him, including a RB, and an offensive system that took full advantage of his immense natural abilities.
I'm not sure what eating corn on the cob thru a picket fence has anything to do with this, but ok.

kcxiv 03-14-2013 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 9497119)
... and lost them right? Should I be using Heath Shuler, Carson Palmer, Tim Couch, David Carr, Ryan Leaf, or any of a bajillion other highly-touted saviors instead?
But they tried they gave it a shot. The chiefs don't try. They just submit to striving for mediocre.

DaKCMan AP 03-14-2013 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 9497133)
Why do you guys continue to torment yourselves?
Masochists.

In58men 03-14-2013 10:32 AM
Geno Smith had a very good pro day. 60-64 passes, 2 passes were drops.

In58men 03-14-2013 10:33 AM
@tweetydimes: "@ByJimCorbett: Geno Smith finished sharp throwing showcase 60 of 64 with two drops both by Stedman Bailey great zip, accuracy on move

patteeu 03-14-2013 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 9497106)
Post after post what I gather from you is that QB is not the most important position on the field.

What I'm trying to say is that you can have the best player to ever live at certain positions, and it won't matter if your QB sucks the shit.

More often than not, an Elite QB goes to/wins the superbowl.
Every once in a great while, a mediocre one can do it when surrounded by a great team.

I'd think it's easier to find that 1 guy, than finding the "right 53".
You're not getting me then. QB is by far the most important position on the field. But a bad QB isn't better than a good player at another position. And drafting isn't a game of pure chance like roulette where the only way to win is to take a chance and it doesn't really matter which spin you bet on.

I'm in favor of making it *the* top priority to find an elite QB. I don't agree that the only way to pursue that goal is to use the first pick of *this* draft on a QB. I'm not saying that is a bad approach, I'm just saying that it's not a no-brainer good approach like many around here believe. That belief comes primarily from what I'll call a "roulette mindset" (based on an assumption of pure chance) no matter how many youtube videos these people watch to help them rationalize their position.

patteeu 03-14-2013 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9497125)
Then the conventional wisdom is dumb.

Elway didn't win a Super Bowl until he had a better team around him, including a RB, and an offensive system that took full advantage of his immense natural abilities.
So the elite QB can't do it alone and you essentially agree with the point I was making (that judging a player exclusively on the basis of team performance is foolish) even if you think you were undermining it.

saphojunkie 03-14-2013 10:39 AM
If the Chiefs drafted Geno Smith, I would buy season tickets, and I live 1600 miles away.

As it stands, Buffalo will be trading up. They absolutely need to make a huge splash at the QB position or they're fanbase is going to bail. Sounds really familiar, but at least THEIR owner is aware of it.

patteeu 03-14-2013 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 9497132)
pat's stuck in the 80's-90's. He's repeatedly undervalued the QB position all over this board. I'd say he should just stick to the DC forum but he's just as lost over there. Sad story.
I've never undervalued the QB position.

Mr. Laz 03-14-2013 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 9497133)
Why do you guys continue to torment yourselves?
yep, spent too much for Alex Smith to turn around and draft Geno Smith.



sorry :huh:


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