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My final Geno thread before the draft (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=271845)

Joeckel doesn't fit Reid's "LT" players, based on history.

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Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 9565756)

Pick who you want, we will have that pick next year and you will have the second pick LMAO

I'll bet you anything we dont have the 2nd overall pick next year.

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Originally Posted by penbook (Post 9565619)

Reid did when he was drating Mcnabb. I couldnt remember who but somebody offered Reid there whole draft for the #2 spot and Reid said no.

How does that count? He was already up top. I said, "sell the house to move UP and secure a QB".
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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 9565618)

If only we had Daniel Snyder calling the shots here, it would be paradise!

Say what the **** you will, they did what had to be done. And if you can't get behind that kind of move, then you obviously don't want a legit QB.
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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9566589)

Answer the question

I did. Geno is not a franchise QB like you are claiming. Hell he's not that great of a QB prospect at that.

If we take a QB, I want a guy who we believe can be a franchise QB one day. It's obvious that we aren't the only one's who believe Geno isn't that guy.

The LT's are the best prospects in this draft and that's our plan.

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9566596)

Joeckel doesn't fit Reid's "LT" players, based on history.

We are drafting BPA and Joeckel is the BPA. Him or Fisher. One of the LT's, unless we can't trade Albert.

We don't trade Albert and it's Dion Jordan time.

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9566350)

But they are just better football players than Geno.

And Luke Joeckel looks to be better than Branden Albert for multiple reasons.

Name them. I'll wait.
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9566811)

We are drafting BPA and Joeckel is the BPA. Him or Fisher. One of the LT's, unless we can't trade Albert.

We don't trade Albert and it's Dion Jordan time.

So bpa doesn't account for need and or positional value?

If joeckel and fisher are bpa, an that's what we are drafting why does itatter in terms of what they do with Albert?

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Originally Posted by Sweet Dick Willie (Post 9566819)

Name them. I'll wait.
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Joeckel gonna be better than Albert ROFL

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9566804)

No, you're not answering his question.

His question is at what point does positional value overtake individual player value.

I hesitate to paraphrase, but his thinking is that no LT will ever have 1:1 value. So he will always choose a "lesser" player at another position over the top LT.

Meaning to him, if he agrees for the sake of argument that Geno is not a franchise QB, he would still take him over any of the tackle prospects, despite their (again, theoretical for the sake of argument) higher grades.

So basically a QB with a 91 rating is more valuable than a LT with a 98.

(This happens to be my thinking as well)

His point was at what point to you agree with that, if ever? And then further, with which positions would that be true?

Is that a fair characterization SNR?

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9566822)

So bpa doesn't account for need and or positional value?

If joeckel and fisher are bpa, an that's what we are drafting why does itatter in terms of what they do with Albert?

BPA will determine what Dorsey values more a LT or a QB.

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 9566605)

I'll bet you anything we dont have the 2nd overall pick next year.

Yeah, who do you think we are? The Raiders?

Again if we use the same reasons we do for why geno doesn't fit, based on Reid's history, how does joeckel fit? He's not a big physical lt. Doesn't have elite measurables either.

If they take a lt, i don't see it being him

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9566822)

So bpa doesn't account for need and or positional value?

If joeckel and fisher are bpa, an that's what we are drafting why does itatter in terms of what they do with Albert?

I wouldn't be surprised if we draft a LT and keep Albert regardless.

QB is not a need now. We have our guy. And he's going to be here awhile. Let it go.