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Reerun_KC 10-12-2015 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11797924)
Reid certainly has his flaws, I'm not arguing that.

But hes generally had a good offense, and gets the most out of his qbs. Smith has gone the opposite.

Because he isn't this QB guru that he is portrayed to be... plus his talent evaluation at the QB position is seriously lacking in his judgment of Smith. he shouldn't get a free pass just because people are so desperate to make Smith the fall guy..

Hoover 10-12-2015 08:37 PM

Let's be realistic. It's time for Reid to give up the play calling.

He has a HUGE coaching staff here, it's one of the things that I really appreciate about him. I don't think people realize what getting a new coaching staff actually means. Whether you like it or not, it means starting over again, and I don't think we should throw in the towel.

O.city 10-12-2015 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 11797939)
Because he isn't this QB guru that he is portrayed to be... plus his talent evaluation at the QB position is seriously lacking in his judgment of Smith. he shouldn't get a free pass just because people are so desperate to make Smith the fall guy..

He's always extracted value from his qbs and gotten them to play at the highest level they can, nothing more nothing less.

Save for Alex smith.

The vast majority of throws in the nfl are around the line of scrimmage. This isn't some crazy and Reid phenomenon, it just doesn't work because the defense doesn't have to respect the deep or intermediate areas of the field.

When watching other teams offenses, it's normal to see 7 defensive players on the normal tv sideline feed. When it's an Alex smith offense, you see 9.

Hoover 10-12-2015 08:38 PM

As for QB, Its time for Smith to get "injured" so we can see what we have behind him.

O.city 10-12-2015 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 11797939)
Because he isn't this QB guru that he is portrayed to be... plus his talent evaluation at the QB position is seriously lacking in his judgment of Smith. he shouldn't get a free pass just because people are so desperate to make Smith the fall guy..

And again, he has flaws. He's terrible in game time situation.

But rebuilding the coaching staff from the ground up isn't always the answer.

I like what the Bengals have done. Just keep adding talent and developing it.

chiefzilla1501 10-12-2015 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11797870)
**** McDermott.

Really? REALLY?

I don't see the issue. Crow is right. Very good defense in Carolina. Good coaching pedigree. Young but experienced. I don't have an opinion either way. Not understanding the strong reaction.

Reerun_KC 10-12-2015 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11797959)
He's always extracted value from his qbs and gotten them to play at the highest level they can, nothing more nothing less.

Save for Alex smith.

The vast majority of throws in the nfl are around the line of scrimmage. This isn't some crazy and Reid phenomenon, it just doesn't work because the defense doesn't have to respect the deep or intermediate areas of the field.

When watching other teams offenses, it's normal to see 7 defensive players on the normal tv sideline feed. When it's an Alex smith offense, you see 9.

Agree, smith is regressing under Reid and Reid is failing to extract value out of his highly paid handpicked, two draft picks QB.

Reid is failing with smith. He won't make a change and will sink with his qb...
He's not a qb guru. Never has been. Never will be. he doesn't put his team in position to achieve success without a borderline HOF QB and a historically awesome DC.

Reerun_KC 10-12-2015 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 11797962)
As for QB, Its time for Smith to get "injured" so we can see what we have behind him.

Last time CP start wishing a their wb would get hurt. Charles ended his season in Detroit.

Reerun_KC 10-12-2015 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11797980)
And again, he has flaws. He's terrible in game time situation.

But rebuilding the coaching staff from the ground up isn't always the answer.

I like what the Bengals have done. Just keep adding talent and developing it.

It starts with Reid. He either changes or we continue with this stupid BS on game days.

O.city 10-12-2015 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 11797991)
Agree, smith is regressing under Reid and Reid is failing to extract value out of his highly paid handpicked, two draft picks QB.

Reid is failing with smith. He won't make a change and will sink with his qb...
He's not a qb guru. Never has been. Never will be. he doesn't put his team in position to achieve success without a borderline HOF QB and a historically awesome DC.

Ok, what's a qb guru then? He's always gotten this most out of his qbs, save for Alex smith.

McNabb is borderline hall material?

Couch-Potato 10-12-2015 09:01 PM

Can we please add a poll to this thread?!?

Reerun_KC 10-12-2015 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11798016)
Ok, what's a qb guru then? He's always gotten this most out of his qbs, save for Alex smith.

McNabb is borderline hall material?

We will just have to disagree on this.

What Andy did to this franchise in the Denver game will last long after this season without major changes. That ended Andy for me. He can't be fixed and he won't win here in KC... proof is in the results.

chiefzilla1501 10-12-2015 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 11794491)
I want a HC that values drafting and developing a QB... A coach that understands the value and importance of the most important position on your football team.

Its the only way to build and win in the modern day NFL... NOTHING else matters.

Ready for a nerdy post? Here goes....
In the past 3 years, there have been 29 head coaching hires. Both offensive and defensive "new hire" head coaches have made 27 total 1st round picks:
  • 12 QBs have been taken in the first 2 rounds. 10 of them were taken by a defensive head coach "new hire".
  • 6 WRs drafted by defensive new hires vs. 4 for offensive coaches
  • 1 out of 27 defensive HC new hire first rounders were OL. 7 out of 27 for offensive HCs. 7 out of 13 offensive HCs took an OL in their first draft

Don't fall into the trap that offensive HCs care more about QBs. Based on recent history, they love OL. It's the defensive HCs that are drafting the offensive skill players.

a pp roach 10-12-2015 09:14 PM

Joe Montana.

RealSNR 10-12-2015 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 11797860)
Yeah, because a different QB would make so much more out of throwing bubble screens 6 yards behind the LOS...

Could you please consider finding a way to decrease your signature's size? I'm about ready to turn the damn things off entirely.


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