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Fansy the Famous Bard 11-06-2015 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 11866754)
Well, boo.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Padres plan to give Ian Kennedy a qualifying offer, I hear</p>&mdash; Jon Heyman (@JonHeymanCBS) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/status/662684257517748224">November 6, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
The same Ian Kennedy that put up a higher ERA than Duffy did this year (who everyone was extremely down on)... and he did that in the NL.

Is way overrated by this board, imo.

Pitt Gorilla 11-06-2015 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by tmw4h5 (Post 11866776)
I submitted a question to McCullough's Royals chat at noon today. Something along the lines of,
"Alex Gordon has been the perfect Kansas City Royal. He has been referred to as the captain of this team. He is, right or wrong, viewed as this generation's Geroge Brett. With the Royals most likely failing to sign Gordon to a contract, what message does it send to our current roster of "homegrown" players that we are not willing to pay market value or anything close to market value for our talent? Why would any current player have any confidence in GMDM in terms of being offered a contract that isn't insulting? How do Salvy's teammates view his joke of a contract?"


Again, with all of this money coming off of the books this off-season, in addition to the ~$50 million made during the postseason, how the **** are we supposed to believe that this team can't afford to pay players such as Gordon or Zobrist?

Gordon does not look to be a candidate for rapid regression. The guy is in fantastic shape and has showed no signs of slowing down, other than, arguably, coming back early from a (freak) groin injury. I would think that the Royals could potentially count on moving Gordon and Perez both to DH/1b duties, or even possibly move Gordon to RF in the future if need be. If the Royals wanted Gordon to exclusively DH and work solely on power, I imagine he could add more strength to his frame and could focus solely on hitting.
It sends the message that we'd rather try to sign them when the time comes, instead of tying up so much money with the baseball elderly.

Saul Good 11-06-2015 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by tmw4h5 (Post 11866776)
I submitted a question to McCullough's Royals chat at noon today. Something along the lines of,
"Alex Gordon has been the perfect Kansas City Royal. He has been referred to as the captain of this team. He is, right or wrong, viewed as this generation's Geroge Brett. With the Royals most likely failing to sign Gordon to a contract, what message does it send to our current roster of "homegrown" players that we are not willing to pay market value or anything close to market value for our talent? Why would any current player have any confidence in GMDM in terms of being offered a contract that isn't insulting? How do Salvy's teammates view his joke of a contract?"


Again, with all of this money coming off of the books this off-season, in addition to the ~$50 million made during the postseason, how the **** are we supposed to believe that this team can't afford to pay players such as Gordon or Zobrist?

Gordon does not look to be a candidate for rapid regression. The guy is in fantastic shape and has showed no signs of slowing down, other than, arguably, coming back early from a (freak) groin injury. I would think that the Royals could potentially count on moving Gordon and Perez both to DH/1b duties, or even possibly move Gordon to RF in the future if need be. If the Royals wanted Gordon to exclusively DH and work solely on power, I imagine he could add more strength to his frame and could focus solely on hitting.
How is he seen as this generation's George Brett? He's nothing close to that.

And how was a 31 year old tearing a groin while chatting down a ball in the outfield a freak injury? It's a perfectly typical injury.

tk13 11-06-2015 12:20 PM
Gordon isn't Brett but losing him is a big PR blow, no doubt. Good organizations will find ways to fill those gaps. Just like how we lost Butler and found Morales.

I don't think it has to set a bad example. Almost everyone else in our core group will be younger than Gordon when they hit FA. Paying a 28 year old Hosmer $20/M year makes more sense than eventually paying that to a 34-35 year old Gordon, if that is what comes to pass.
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duncan_idaho 11-06-2015 12:51 PM
Anyone interested in watching Starling with MLB Network can catch him at 1:30.

I think. Hopefully he's in the Surprise lineup today.

ReynardMuldrake 11-06-2015 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by tmw4h5 (Post 11866776)
I submitted a question to McCullough's Royals chat at noon today. Something along the lines of,
"Alex Gordon has been the perfect Kansas City Royal. He has been referred to as the captain of this team. He is, right or wrong, viewed as this generation's Geroge Brett. With the Royals most likely failing to sign Gordon to a contract, what message does it send to our current roster of "homegrown" players that we are not willing to pay market value or anything close to market value for our talent? Why would any current player have any confidence in GMDM in terms of being offered a contract that isn't insulting? How do Salvy's teammates view his joke of a contract?"
We paid him for 10 years, stuck with him when he looked like a bust, won him a ring, and turned him into a superstar. I think that sends a pretty good message to our players.

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Originally Posted by tmw4h5 (Post 11866776)
Again, with all of this money coming off of the books this off-season, in addition to the ~$50 million made during the postseason, how the **** are we supposed to believe that this team can't afford to pay players such as Gordon or Zobrist?

Gordon does not look to be a candidate for rapid regression. The guy is in fantastic shape and has showed no signs of slowing down, other than, arguably, coming back early from a (freak) groin injury. I would think that the Royals could potentially count on moving Gordon and Perez both to DH/1b duties, or even possibly move Gordon to RF in the future if need be. If the Royals wanted Gordon to exclusively DH and work solely on power, I imagine he could add more strength to his frame and could focus solely on hitting.
We're not in the business of winning by outspending everyone. Gordon is no longer a good value for the money. I'd much rather see Dayton find two or three Kendrys Morales/Chris Young type bargains for the same kind of money.

Coach 11-06-2015 01:19 PM
So the Royals' pen will lose Madson, Morales, Duffy (who most likely will be given another chance to start), and Chris Young (spot starter/long reliever) which is a good/bad thing depending on one's perspective. They will still have Hoch, Herrera, and Davis at the backend, which is good. I would suspect that GMDM will find some arms in the middle relievers to bridge to Hoch/Herrera/Davis back end or extra innings. We also have to consider the likelihood of injuries that happens every year, that the Royals still have plenty of depth to absorb the injuries.

So, what are the viable good internal or external candidates that had a down year/injured year that would be good for a 1 or 2 year with mutual options to fill in those spots?

nychief 11-06-2015 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 11866968)
So the Royals' pen will lose Madson, Morales, Duffy (who most likely will be given another chance to start), and Chris Young (spot starter/long reliever) which is a good/bad thing depending on one's perspective. They will still have Hoch, Herrera, and Davis at the backend, which is good. I would suspect that GMDM will find some arms in the middle relievers to bridge to Hoch/Herrera/Davis back end or extra innings. We also have to consider the likelihood of injuries that happens every year, that the Royals still have plenty of depth to absorb the injuries.

So, what are the viable good internal or external candidates that had a down year/injured year that would be good for a 1 or 2 year with mutual options to fill in those spots?
Scott Alexander
Almonte

duncan_idaho 11-06-2015 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 11866968)
So the Royals' pen will lose Madson, Morales, Duffy (who most likely will be given another chance to start), and Chris Young (spot starter/long reliever) which is a good/bad thing depending on one's perspective. They will still have Hoch, Herrera, and Davis at the backend, which is good. I would suspect that GMDM will find some arms in the middle relievers to bridge to Hoch/Herrera/Davis back end or extra innings. We also have to consider the likelihood of injuries that happens every year, that the Royals still have plenty of depth to absorb the injuries.

So, what are the viable good internal or external candidates that had a down year/injured year that would be good for a 1 or 2 year with mutual options to fill in those spots?

Brian Flynn, Louis Coleman, and Tim Collins will all be considered as internal options.

You also could see Zimmer piggybacked out of the pen to protect his arm but get him work vs. MLB hitters. Miguel Almonte also could be in play.

Coach 11-06-2015 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11867080)
Brian Flynn, Louis Coleman, and Tim Collins will all be considered as internal options.

You also could see Zimmer piggybacked out of the pen to protect his arm but get him work vs. MLB hitters. Miguel Almonte also could be in play.
I figure Coleman would get something, but I don't feel exactly "confident" with him for some reason. And Collins is still somewhat recovering from TJS, so he's an unknown at this point.

I could see Zimmer and Almonte getting some work in to get some MLB experience to protect their arms and get some work against MLB hitters with the goal of both of them being starters at the end of 2016 and/or start of 2017 season?

Halfcan 11-06-2015 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Dunit35 (Post 11864701)
I was listening to 580 AM topeka recently. They were talking future Royals hall of famers. They listed:

1. Perez
2. Gordon
3. Holland
4. Davis
5. Escobar
6. Cain

They had ten total but I can't remember. Who would you gays believe could make it?
At the pace Salvy is setting-could rank in the top 5 for games caught. Possibly retire with 300 plus homers, 2500 hits, 1500 Rbi and 10 Gold gloves.

A World Series MVP trophy helps as well.

duncan_idaho 11-06-2015 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 11867094)
I figure Coleman would get something, but I don't feel exactly "confident" with him for some reason. And Collins is still somewhat recovering from TJS, so he's an unknown at this point.

I could see Zimmer and Almonte getting some work in to get some MLB experience to protect their arms and get some work against MLB hitters with the goal of both of them being starters at the end of 2016 and/or start of 2017 season?
Coleman is really good vs. RHPs but his arm angle/mix lets lefties see him really well. Still, he's not a bad piece to have as the 4th or 5th best reliever out of your pen.

I don't know what they do with Collins/if they bring him back, but he's again not bad at the bottom end of a pen. Not sure he's worth the $1.5 million.

Flynn is an exiting guy to me, as a big lefty who could be very much like Will Smith was in being converted to the pen (dynamite vs. lefties and good enough vs. righties to pitch full innings).

As for guys "out there," Dillon Gee is someone who pops to mind as a potential bullpen conversion who could be really excellent. Chad Billingsley and Brandon Morrow are a few more guys who might work that way.

Coach 11-06-2015 03:23 PM
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Coach 11-06-2015 03:26 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Royals?src=hash">#Royals</a> select OF Jose Martinez from Omaha (AAA), adding him to the 40-man roster. He won the PCL batting title with a .384 avg in 2015.</p>&mdash; Royals (@Royals) <a href="https://twitter.com/Royals/status/662741472114929665">November 6, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Fansy the Famous Bard 11-06-2015 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 11867216)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Royals?src=hash">#Royals</a> select OF Jose Martinez from Omaha (AAA), adding him to the 40-man roster. He won the PCL batting title with a .384 avg in 2015.</p>&mdash; Royals (@Royals) <a href="https://twitter.com/Royals/status/662741472114929665">November 6, 2015</a></blockquote>
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I think we just signed our LF'er for next season.


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