I don't really see the serious upside with West. He doesn't seem to have any great qualities but is when healthy a good solid back?

I dunno maybe I'm missing something there

Agreed, they seem a CB light still. I'm just not terribly comfortable with that White/Akers duo at the back of the secondary. Not when Gaines is always injured (and ****ing terrible last week) and Nelson has had his share of dings. He's not injury prone, but being smaller he seems to take shots that slow him up for a drive/quarter/game on occasion. Mitchell could turn into a pumpkin as well.

I also wonder where McQuay fits in. He's played pretty well and I don't see room for him and Murray.

I still can't believe we haven't figured out a way to displace Frank Zombo yet. Dude is Freddie !@#$ing Krueger.

See I like white a lot. It's all gonna be about Mitchell and his hammy. If he's what he was the last half of last year and stays healthy, they're golden:

A big part of that equation is that I'm betting on the pass rush coming back this year. Houston appears healthy and ford looks much better and more comfy on the left side now. With the dl healthier hopefully, it improves.

Good points about Travis. If you only watched game tape and didn't know about all his athleticism, you probably wouldn't be too impressed. He might be making the transition from a player that hasn't been given a chance to a player that isn't making his chance.

We saw his explosiveness last Friday night when he ripped off a 50 yard run and finished with 7 carries and 113 yards, a 16 yard average.

He's was hampered by a high ankle sprain in January 2016 and all throughout last season. He appears to be healthy now. He's fast (4.37), has some wiggle and plays well in space. He literally saved the Chiefs 2015 season.

He has the ability to contribute plenty this season, especially since Ware will inevitability break down while Hunt is a rookie.

There's no way I trust Spiller with 20+ touches per game.

If they get down to spiller or west having to get 20 touches per game, they're in trouble anyway.

West doesn't seem to play to his 40 speed to me. Last week he got caught from behind a few times.

He's a good back, I'm just not sure what his ultimate upside is. Again, I'm probably completely wrong about it per usual

The return of Bailey, DJ and Houston will help out the secondary tremendously, as will improvements made by Ford, Wilson and Jones. RNR seems primed for a big year, Jenkins has been serviceable and Tanoh shows serious upside.

At this point in time, all you're going to get in return is a guy like Acker, who's been next to worthless, so I think they should go with who they currently have on the roster. Tramon Willams was available recently and they passed, so they must feel okay with their depth.

He's a practice squad guy. They tried him at corner and he was bad. They've since moved him back to safety but that's a crowded room with Berry, Parker, Sorensen and Murray.

West is one of those 'geared for a quarter mile' kind of players. He runs out of RPMs in a hurry but he screams up the power band. That run that he bounced to the left was impressive as hell for 12 yards as he accelerated through a gap and really pulled away, then just hit a wall as a damn inside linebacker ran him down.

I simply don't buy that 4.37. I've seen him play too many games now and he doesn't show genuine breakaway speed in pads. He never has, even in 2015. Perhaps his split times are demonstrative and he gets to the first 10 quick as a hiccup then just glides the last 30, but it seems more likely that he's just a guy that times faster than he plays (or a guy that lost some speed as he aged/had to put on weight to make it at this level).

Now I'd take quick over fast for virtually every player on the field, don't get me wrong. But quick AND fast is obviously better. And West just isn't fast. So I think that limits him to a 3rd down role. In that regard, if it turns out that we can get something for him and just plug in Spiller (who's going to be similarly capable in that role), I'd go ahead and do it.

I wouldn't want either one of them getting 15-20 touches/gm.

Is Murray a given, though?

I'd say it's more likely than not that he makes the squad, but an int off a deflected floater isn't going to earn him a job. And otherwise I don't feel like he's played that well.

If they liked him enough to just come into camp with him locked into a roster spot, I'm not sure they throw that kind of money at Sorenson. I could be wrong there, but Murray being cut (thus ending the saga of the Aguayo for Russell and Murray draft picks trade) wouldn't actually shock me.

That's what people thought when Charles tore his ACL in 2015.

All the Chiefs did was win 11 straight games.

When healthy, he's played really well behind the #1 offensive line (which at times, really wasn't even the #1 O-line due to injuries to LDT, concussions to Morse, etc.).

Even if his upside is 640 yards and 4 TD's with a 4.0 YPA (his 2015 rushing numbers), that beats the shit out of Knile Davis.

DJ, I think you're overreacting to a couple bad plays in the first preseason game.

Murray, by all reports, had a really good camp and is a lock.

They did win 11 straight but also had ware and west come out of no where. Dunno that I'd count in that again necessarily.

As DJ more eloquently put it a few posts up, west or spiller seems to be the third guy this season and I'm not sure either get that many touches

Hunt is more talented than West and Ware.

We'll be fine.

Murray is a great special team we as well so I'd imagine he'll stick

Ok?