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ChiefsFanatic 01-23-2018 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow (Post 13269655)
This is my argument for those wanting rid of Reid. I want to see what he can do with a real QB under center.
It doesn't matter what Andy Reid can "do" with Mahomes, because he isn't going to change the Defensive Coordinator.

We have seen the Chiefs have a dynamic offense. At one point we fielded one of the single greatest offensive lines in NFL history. We had a record setting RB use that O-line to perfection. On that same team we had the greatest TE to ever play. And a QB that, while not spectacular, played at a very high level, leading the most prolific offense in Chiefs history.

And we threw it all away with a joke of a DC running a historically bad defense. And the HC was too loyal to correct the situation.

So, even if Mahomes is out of this world, it will be for nothing.

If Reid won't replace Sutton, then Clark Hunt needs to do it for him, or can them both.

Dorsey didn't do the Chiefs any favors, and so Sutton never really had enough bullets to load his gun, but instead of picking up another weapon, Sutton just kept pulling the trigger on an empty gun. Dorsey failed to build depth in the secondary or linebacker positions, and Sutton didn't adjust to his personnel.

I want Mahomes to live up to his potential, but I am afraid that even if he does it won't matter.

Tge TL;DR version: Reid needs to Fire Sutton, or Hunt needs to fire Reid and Sutton. Veach needs to acquire faster, better linebackers and defensive backs.

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Rasputin 01-23-2018 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 13377772)
It doesn't matter what Andy Reid can "do" with Mahomes, because he isn't going to change the Defensive Coordinator.

We have seen the Chiefs have a dynamic offense. At one point we fielded one of the single greatest offensive lines in NFL history. We had a record setting RB use that O-line to perfection. On that same team we had the greatest TE to ever play. And a QB that, while not spectacular, played at a very high level, leading the most prolific offense in Chiefs history.

And we threw it all away with a joke of a DC running a historically bad defense. And the HC was too loyal to correct the situation.

So, even if Mahomes is out of this world, it will be for nothing.

If Reid won't replace Sutton, then Clark Hunt needs to do it for him, or can them both.

Dorsey didn't do the Chiefs any favors, and so Sutton never really had enough bullets to load his gun, but instead of picking up another weapon, Sutton just kept pulling the trigger on an empty gun. Dorsey failed to build depth in the secondary or linebacker positions, and Sutton didn't adjust to his personnel.

I want Mahomes to live up to his potential, but I am afraid that even if he does it won't matter.

Tge TL;DR version: Reid needs to Fire Sutton, or Hunt needs to fire Reid and Sutton. Veach needs to acquire faster, better linebackers and defensive backs.

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If they don't improve the defense and Patrick is who we think he is then I really don't see Sutton around much longer because I think Veach will do something about it and Clark Hunt won't tolerate not doing anything about it. With Patrick we have years to fix or tune up what needs to be fixed and tuned up that is the part of having a draft pick quarterback that for the long term can be beneficial the most.

If we can net a couple defensive starters out of this draft by trading Alex Smith that will help any DC look good. Getting Eric Berry back is also going be a huge boost but I don't trust Sutton either so I think this year is going be his last if we continue this tripe of Defense.

oldman 01-23-2018 07:07 AM
I'm not going to totally put the blame on Clark. Twice he's gone out and got the hottest GM prospect and once a highly thought of OC to be the HC. When the Pioli/Haley/Crennel mess blew up in his face, he made an effort to get the best available HC. It's not his fault the QB draft class was full of crap. Yet we climbed out of those dark years immediately. He had his top 2 guys wanting Smith, so he backed them. He's a businessman, not a guy that watches a lot of film.
I'm not going to place all the blame on Andy, either. He knows exactly what he has in Smith and will rectify that PDQ. I do think Andy has to do 2 things. First, fire Sutton. I don't know who he can get, but we can't allow that mess to go on. Second, he has to start being a SOB. Screw getting a 3 possession lead and then dialing the O back.
Clark needs to have a talk with Andy and take action if the situation isn't rectified. If our D continues to blow leads next year with Sutton and Andy won't change, goodbye Andy,

Eleazar 01-23-2018 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 13376844)
I think you spelled Tom Brady wrong...
Who was it that developed a 6th round pick into a GOAT?

ChiefFanForHire 01-23-2018 09:02 AM
I hate the fact we aren't one of the teams that eve gets chosen to go t the Super Bowl. Falcons owner Arthur Blank once said "I sure wish my team would get to be chosen to go the Super Bowl" and was rewarded with one, but only the condition that he choke and lose in the second half. But at least he got to go. We must still owe the mob for the overnight completion of arrowhead in the early 70s. Rumor has it that's why we've sucked for 45 years. After seeeing Triplette make up BS and lie about forward progress to screw us out of 10 points instead of just 7, it's probably safe to assume we took the longer payment plan, and we're still in the red.

OKchiefs 01-23-2018 09:13 AM
The fact that so many chicken shit fans of this franchise have no clue about what it takes to develop a quarterback, and they would rather continue on with mediocrity and chicken shit quarterbacks like Alex Smith. That's what bothers me the most.

oldman 01-23-2018 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 13377953)
The fact that so many chicken shit fans of this franchise have no clue about what it takes to develop a quarterback.
And you're the HC for what NFL team? We have our QBOTF and he'll be the starter next year, what more do you want?

OKchiefs 01-23-2018 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by oldman (Post 13378078)
And you're the HC for what NFL team? We have our QBOTF and he'll be the starter next year, what more do you want?
What the hell are you talking about? I clearly said my complaint was with the fans.

Rausch 01-23-2018 11:09 AM
For me it's being frustrated with every HC from Marty to DV to Andy.

All three just failed to admit to their own weaknesses and the weaknesses of their teams...

oldman 01-23-2018 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 13378098)
What the hell are you talking about? I clearly said my complaint was with the fans.
The hell I was talking about was your implication that you know how to develop a QB, or at least more than "chickenshit fans". I'll agree that there are those that are perfectly happy going 10-6, 1 and done, but the majority of the fanbase knows Mahomes is our future. The fans are not the owners/leaders of the franchise. That's the original question.

Baby Lee 01-23-2018 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 13377772)
So, even if Mahomes is out of this world, it will be for nothing.

...

I want Mahomes to live up to his potential, but I am afraid that even if he does it won't matter.
Watchit!! Dangerous talk hereabouts!!

OKchiefs 01-23-2018 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by oldman (Post 13378125)
The hell I was talking about was your implication that you know how to develop a QB, or at least more than "chickenshit fans". I'll agree that there are those that are perfectly happy going 10-6, 1 and done, but the majority of the fanbase knows Mahomes is our future. The fans are not the owners/leaders of the franchise. That's the original question.
Fans on this page are not the majority. Take a look at Facebook and social media. A high percentage of fans want to keep Smith, and some even want to extend his contract.

I don't care if you don't like it, my gripe with this franchise is the ignorant (overall) fanbase.

Chief Roundup 01-23-2018 12:10 PM
The fact that ownership and most fans are satisfied with regular season victories and post season failures. The fact that ownership loves soccer more than football.

GoChargers 01-23-2018 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefFanForHire (Post 13377938)
Falcons owner Arthur Blank once said "I sure wish my team would get to be chosen to go the Super Bowl"
I have yet to see any proof that Blank actually said this outside of copypastas spread around by conspiracy theorists. Where's the link to this supposed interview?

crayzkirk 01-23-2018 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13376644)
What bothers me most? Ownership.

Lamar Hunt founded the AFL and hired a brilliant mind in Hank Stram. The Chiefs appeared in the first Super Bowl and won the 4th Super Bowl. But it seems like winning that Super Bowl mellowed Hunt's passion for a winner.

He fired Hank Stram, allowed the roster to become old and hired two uninspired head coaches in Paul Wiggin and Tom Bettis. He finally decided to go back to his roots and hire Marv Levy, he fired him just as he was turning the team around (and admitted later that it was his biggest mistake). He allowed a young Bill Polian to leave the front office but at least hired another young, innovative coach in John Mackovic, drafted a QB, only to fire Mackovic after the Chiefs first playoff appearance in 15 years.

After the brief Frank Gansz debacle, in which Nick Lowery led a player revolt, Hunt began to "Play It Safe", first by hiring Carl Peterson, then Marty Schottenheimer. The next 15 years, the Chiefs "played it safe" by hiring Gunther Cunningham, Dick Vermiel, Herm Edwards, Romeo Crennel and Andy Reid. Todd Haley was the only "inspired" hire but anyone with a ****ing brain could see from his time in Arizona that he was a ticking time bomb and in no way, shape or form had the mental makeup to be a head coach.

So, as the Chiefs traded for yet another veteran QB, while watching former coaches reach the Super Bowl (Cowher was the first, now Pederson), the franchise is a mess, the roster, even after 5 full years of Reid and Dorsey, is chock full of holes, leaving overpaid and old veterans with more than $80 million in Dead Cap money accrued during Dorsey's tenure, the Chiefs are at a standstill, once again.

With a Playoff Franchise Record of 9-18, 4 losses of which have come during Andy Reid's tenure, this team is once again stuck in neutral and has nowhere near a championship level defense in order to make a serious Super Bowl Run.

I have zero hope and zero expectations that any of that changes in the next 5 years and based on the last 50, it'll likely never, ever change.
^^^ This completely ^^^

Now, I'm just depressed about the Chiefs...:cuss:


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