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Easy 6 02-09-2021 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 15540232)
I think the Bucs also did a far better job at adjusting and slowing down the pass rush with their dump-offs to Gronk and committing to the run... Simms reviewed that and said they were still getting into that offense in week 12, but it's what has protected Brady the past several weeks. After the 2nd or 3rd one of those screens, I figured things would open up for them.

And it's exactly the kind of stuff the Chiefs desperately needed in their game plan, and we all thought they were holding back for a game like this... shovel passes to Kelce, committing to CEH, etc; and I think Simms touched on it, too, that maybe Reid was just too afraid of the offensive line to even do those things. :shrug:

As far as officiating, I think the Bills/Chiefs shenanigans would be a good excuse for the NFL to crackdown on some of that stuff, but that obviously wouldn't include completely phantom defensive holds and DPIs.

Yep, the total and complete lack of razzle dazzle had me perplexed at first... then I remembered that we had 5 Louie Andersons along the O line

Pants 02-09-2021 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 15540471)
Yep, the total and complete lack of razzle dazzle had me perplexed at first... then I remembered that we had 5 Louie Andersons along the O line

Holy shit. 5 Louie Andersons. LMAO

Chiefnj2 02-09-2021 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 15540440)
I mean they gifted Brady 14 points in the 1st half on phantom DPIs/holding calls and prevented us from playing the same physical defense that got us to the game in the 2nd half in a 22 point loss. If that isn't costing us the game, I'm not sure what would qualify.

If Andy doesn’t call the timeouts, two of those penalties aren’t called. If the clock is run KC gets the ball to start the second half Down 14-6.

Plus, KC only got 3 to start the 3rd while Tampa got 7.

3s don’t beat 7s

Bearcat 02-09-2021 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 15540440)
I mean they gifted Brady 14 points in the 1st half on phantom DPIs/holding calls and prevented us from playing the same physical defense that got us to the game in the 2nd half in a 22 point loss. If that isn't costing us the game, I'm not sure what would qualify.

Yeah, it's not just the same crying about the refs that's happened here for the past 20 years.

I was going back and slowing down some of that shit after it happened, partly due to the cognitive dissonance of suddenly being that guy who cries about the refs when his team is losing, and partly because I simply couldn't believe/process how blatantly horrid the calls were at the time.

And if it's 7-6 or 10-6 at halftime, the Chiefs still kick the FG and say the Bucs still score their TD, it's 14-9 or 17-9, and that's where the rest of the game changes, because the Chiefs aren't down 19 and in a no huddle offense and so forth.

arrwheader 02-09-2021 10:41 AM

NFL could make their officiating more consistent and simplify rules and processes to make it better. They don't, and I don't think it is because they don't know how. I am not naïve enough to think they don't have a purpose behind that. I don't think rigged but I can see "influenced" Teams have to overcome it to win like it is a part of the game.

I Also think Brady has his team dedicate a whole section or whatever at practice on drawing flags. Where they study film find tendencies and try to exploit it and design a play to draw a flag. I really do. I also think they do it as well with personalities, anything to piss a guy off to draw a flag. I think they practice it and try their best to make it not look like a flop and it works. Guy was cheesing big time on that penalty on Jones, like the plan is working.

We lost the game we didn't score a touchdown. The biggest question we all need to ask is why we looked so un creative and un prepared. The Chiefs get this far on a "run it back" campaign and then just don't prepare for zone defense, offensive line issues (when their whole oline is out) etc. ? That is the part I can't understand the most. It was like they just didn't care.

KC_Connection 02-09-2021 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 15540485)
If Andy doesn’t call the timeouts, two of those penalties aren’t called. If the clock is run KC gets the ball to start the second half Down 14-6.

Plus, KC only got 3 to start the 3rd while Tampa got 7.

3s don’t beat 7s

Andy probably wasn't expecting the refs to completely gift Tampa 7 points in that situation based on absolutely joke calls.

Maybe he should have, though, I mean we've all seen Brady benefit from this shit for years and years.

Shields68 02-09-2021 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 15540485)
If Andy doesn’t call the timeouts, two of those penalties aren’t called. If the clock is run KC gets the ball to start the second half Down 14-6.

Plus, KC only got 3 to start the 3rd while Tampa got 7.

3s don’t beat 7s

The timeouts were really stupid. Let Tampa either run hurry up or let the clock expire. Of course the PI was the wrong call as well so there is that.

KC_Connection 02-09-2021 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 15540489)
Yeah, it's not just the same crying about the refs that's happened here for the past 20 years.

I was going back and slowing down some of that shit after it happened, partly due to the cognitive dissonance of suddenly being that guy who cries about the refs when his team is losing, and partly because I simply couldn't believe/process how blatantly horrid the calls were at the time.

And if it's 7-6 or 10-6 at halftime, the Chiefs still kick the FG and say the Bucs still score their TD, it's 14-9 or 17-9, and that's where the rest of the game changes, because the Chiefs aren't down 19 and in a no huddle offense and so forth.

When guys like Chris Simms are saying they had an issue with "all" of the calls in the 1st half, you know it's not just the same crying about the refs. When the CBS panel spends their entire half time show going out to 100M people criticizing the refereeing on a network that tries its best to kowtow to the league's every whim, you know it's not just the same crying about the refs either.

That was some really ****ed up shit that happened on Sunday night. I suppose it makes it easier to reconcile if we simply say we would have lost anyway, but I'm just not entirely sure that is the case.

KC_Connection 02-09-2021 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Shields68 (Post 15540498)
The timeouts were really stupid. Let Tampa either run hurry up or let the clock expire. Of course the PI was the wrong call as well so there is that.

The 1st timeout was fine. The 2nd one I thought was bad in that context (was 3rd and short, odds are they will pick that up).

The Franchise 02-09-2021 10:50 AM

We lost because of a combination....

1. Horrible gameplan
2. Horrible offensive line play
3. Horrible WR/TE play
4. No adjustments
5. Getting ****ed in the first half by the refs

IowaHawkeyeChief 02-09-2021 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Shields68 (Post 15540498)
The timeouts were really stupid. Let Tampa either run hurry up or let the clock expire. Of course Both PIs was the wrong call as well so there is that.

FYP

IowaHawkeyeChief 02-09-2021 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15540515)
We lost because of a combination....

1. Horrible gameplan
2. Horrible offensive line play
3. Horrible WR/TE play
4. No adjustments
5. Getting ****ed in the first half by the refs

and if we would have gotten close would it have continued in the 2nd?

KC_Connection 02-09-2021 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by arrwheader (Post 15540491)
NFL could make their officiating more consistent and simplify rules and processes to make it better. They don't, and I don't think it is because they don't know how. I am not naïve enough to think they don't have a purpose behind that. I don't think rigged but I can see "influenced" Teams have to overcome it to win like it is a part of the game.

I Also think Brady has his team dedicate a whole section or whatever at practice on drawing flags. Where they study film find tendencies and try to exploit it and design a play to draw a flag. I really do. I also think they do it as well with personalities, anything to piss a guy off to draw a flag. I think they practice it and try their best to make it not look like a flop and it works. Guy was cheesing big time on that penalty on Jones, like the plan is working.

We lost the game we didn't score a touchdown. The biggest question we all need to ask is why we looked so un creative and un prepared. The Chiefs get this far on a "run it back" campaign and then just don't prepare for zone defense, offensive line issues (when their whole oline is out) etc. ? That is the part I can't understand the most. It was like they just didn't care.

I don't believe the proper term is "rigged" either (although I do think the NFL is up there with soccer as one of the sports that would be easiest to rig if a ref really wanted to). I think it's just blatant bias/favoritism toward certain players and in particular Tom Brady.

It happens in the NBA to a certain extent too. I'm as big a LeBron fan as there is, but it's obvious he gets more calls than anybody in the NBA at this stage of his career. It isn't because the league is rigged (there's no way they're ever letting the Toronto Raptors win a title if that shit is rigged), it's because of who he is and the reputation he has built. The same thing happened to MJ before him.

Brady is going to get the benefit of the calls until he leaves the league due to the reputation/mythology that has been built up around him. You'd just hope it wouldn't be so blatant as Sunday.

Bearcat 02-09-2021 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 15540471)
Yep, the total and complete lack of razzle dazzle had me perplexed at first... then I remembered that we had 5 Louie Andersons along the O line

Sure, and as pointed out, they had a couple of screens blown up, too... and I get that it simply may not have mattered.

There were no great options and also several drops that of course can't be blamed on play calling. Convert a few of those and there's less room for the what-ifs.

The options are to continue to try shoving that square peg into the round hole with downfield passing.... and if there's one person who can do it, of course it's Mahomes..... or change it up and the worst that happens is you still end up with 9 points at the end of the game.

And we're very used to this offense scoring ~30 points/game no matter what and making relatively low percentage plays look easy... so, the one time in a year and a half that doesn't happen in a meaningful game, the knee-jerk is to say they should have done it completely differently. ;)

KC_Connection 02-09-2021 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 15540519)
and if we would have gotten close would it have continued in the 2nd?

I believe it would have, yes. Those calls weren't getting made in the 2nd half primarily because of the score and because we had stopped playing as physical.


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