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htismaqe 03-29-2022 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16221535)
Yeah, it's called dealing with reality.

I didn't want to trade Tyreek. I'm sure Veach didn't either.

We now know Tyreek wanted to be the highest paid WR in football, and the money just wasn't going to work if we were going to improve the team.

So we can wring our hands and clutch our pearls, or we can embrace that fact that at least we got a big haul of picks, freed up some cap space, and we move on.

I was a hell no, don't trade Tyreek until it happened. It happened. I understand why it was necessary. Now it is what it is. Better to embrace it than cry and complain.

:bravo:

Chris Meck 03-29-2022 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16221413)
It is better value. Hill is a much better player than both of them combined. He gives you elite output for $23 million. MVS and Clark give you average production for $18. And most of that comes from MVS. Clark gives you nothing.

It's like buying a Pontiac Aztec for 800k because you don't want to pay a million for a supercar.

Man, you just really don't get it.

Hill wanted a new deal or wasn't going to play. He wanted the deal he got in Miami. We offered good, aggressive deals, and it wasn't enough. He wanted more than Adams.

so Hill would've been NO value whatsoever to us. If we gave him the deal he wanted, he would've crippled the team moving forward into the next few years.

Talking about Clark's deal just shows that you understand nothing. In 2022, it's like $1m more to keep him than cut him. MVS is not expensive either. You keep insisting that this is MVS and Clark vs. Hill and that's so far from being true it's ridiculous.

You're in full on reerun territory. In fact, you're so far into reerun territory that it's now renamed KING territory.

htismaqe 03-29-2022 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16221549)
Man, you just really don't get it.

Hill wanted a new deal or wasn't going to play. He wanted the deal he got in Miami. We offered good, aggressive deals, and it wasn't enough. He wanted more than Adams.

so Hill would've been NO value whatsoever to us. If we gave him the deal he wanted, he would've crippled the team moving forward into the next few years.

Talking about Clark's deal just shows that you understand nothing. In 2022, it's like $1m more to keep him than cut him. MVS is not expensive either. You keep insisting that this is MVS and Clark vs. Hill and that's so far from being true it's ridiculous.

You're in full on reerun territory. In fact, you're so far into reerun territory that it's now renamed KING territory.

:thumb:

Hill would have held out at a cap hit of $21M on his current deal.

MVS' cap hit for this year is less than $5M.

It's just a dumb argument.

-King- 03-29-2022 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16221466)
Are you truly so dense that you believe MVS and Clark have anything to do with their decision to trade Tyreek?

Like you can’t possibly be this ****ing stupid.

They didn’t trade Tyreek because they couldn’t afford him this year. They traded Tyreek because they can afford it long term.

God damn you are ****ing reeruned.

But they could.


And that's why all of us had us keeping him.

-King- 03-29-2022 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16221549)
Man, you just really don't get it.

Hill wanted a new deal or wasn't going to play. He wanted the deal he got in Miami. We offered good, aggressive deals, and it wasn't enough. He wanted more than Adams.

so Hill would've been NO value whatsoever to us. If we gave him the deal he wanted, he would've crippled the team moving forward into the next few years.

Talking about Clark's deal just shows that you understand nothing. In 2022, it's like $1m more to keep him than cut him. MVS is not expensive either. You keep insisting that this is MVS and Clark vs. Hill and that's so far from being true it's ridiculous.

You're in full on reerun territory. In fact, you're so far into reerun territory that it's now renamed KING territory.

I would have gave him that deal he got in Miami. It's $23mil a year. Yeah I would do that for the 2nd best WR in the league that literally alters how defenses line up.


I think you had the same stance until the trade happened. Even when you were presented with the financial aspect of re-signing him, you were still firmly on that side. But now...

What? Did you crunch the numbers again after the trade to see why it was "necessary"?

-King- 03-29-2022 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16221551)
:thumb:

Hill would have held out at a cap hit of $21M on his current deal.

MVS' cap hit for this year is less than $5M.

It's just a dumb argument.

Hills cap hit if resigned would have been lowered.


How come none of you were on the "we can't afford that contract" side until AFTER the trade? In fact, some of you had the right numbers (23mil a year) and were adamant that we need to re-sign him and now that same 23 a year would have been too much? Which is it and how come you guys didn't realize this until after the trade happened?

htismaqe 03-29-2022 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16221620)
Hills cap hit if resigned would have been lowered.


How come none of you were on the "we can't afford that contract" side until AFTER the trade? In fact, some of you had the right numbers (23mil a year) and were adamant that we need to re-sign him and now that same 23 a year would have been too much? Which is it and how come you guys didn't realize this until after the trade happened?

This year.

His cap hit next year is $31M.

Stop focusing on AAV. AAV is meaningless.

ThaVirus 03-29-2022 07:38 AM

Woof. Look at those skill positions outside of Kelce. That's bottom of the barrel type shit.

And edge rusher? Secondary is a big question mark, too.. I think I'm going to throw up.

We are definitely going to find out how truly great Reid and Mahomes are next season.

Chris Meck 03-29-2022 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16221620)
Hills cap hit if resigned would have been lowered.


How come none of you were on the "we can't afford that contract" side until AFTER the trade? In fact, some of you had the right numbers (23mil a year) and were adamant that we need to re-sign him and now that same 23 a year would have been too much? Which is it and how come you guys didn't realize this until after the trade happened?

Dude your understanding of the deal is severely lacking.

-King- 03-29-2022 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16221624)
This year.

His cap hit next year is $31M.

Stop focusing on AAV. AAV is meaningless.

Yes, they would have changed the structure. They wouldn't have taken only 6 this year and the full 31 next year. You even it out and make it fit your situation.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tyreek Hill’s <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Dolphins?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Dolphins</a> Extension<br>- 4 yrs, $120M<br>- $52.5M guaranteed at sign<br>- Another $19.6M in March ’23<br>- ’23 restructure likely<br>- 4 yrs, $95.4M practical<br><br>Cap Hits<br>2022: $6.4M<br>2023: $31.2M<br>2024: $24.8M<br>2025: $28M<br>2026: $50.1M<br><br>Full Breakdown: <a href="https://t.co/xE4LWx76aE">https://t.co/xE4LWx76aE</a></p>&mdash; Spotrac (@spotrac) <a href="https://twitter.com/spotrac/status/1506766966467538948?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 23, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

-King- 03-29-2022 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16221641)
Dude your understanding of the deal is severely lacking.

What part?

Here's the breakdown of it

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tyreek Hill’s <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Dolphins?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Dolphins</a> Extension<br>- 4 yrs, $120M<br>- $52.5M guaranteed at sign<br>- Another $19.6M in March ’23<br>- ’23 restructure likely<br>- 4 yrs, $95.4M practical<br><br>Cap Hits<br>2022: $6.4M<br>2023: $31.2M<br>2024: $24.8M<br>2025: $28M<br>2026: $50.1M<br><br>Full Breakdown: <a href="https://t.co/xE4LWx76aE">https://t.co/xE4LWx76aE</a></p>&mdash; Spotrac (@spotrac) <a href="https://twitter.com/spotrac/status/1506766966467538948?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 23, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>



How much money were you willing to go to to re-sign him? At what point did he get too expensive and would have ruined the chiefs cap?

Phoneix 03-29-2022 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16221628)
Woof. Look at those skill positions outside of Kelce. That's bottom of the barrel type shit.

And edge rusher? Secondary is a big question mark, too.. I think I'm going to throw up.

We are definitely going to find out how truly great Reid and Mahomes are next season.

But add Hill and minus JSS and poof it’s a super star roster?

https://media1.giphy.com/media/bU2nZ...giphy.gif&ct=g

ThaVirus 03-29-2022 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoneix (Post 16223325)
But add Hill and minus JSS and poof it’s a super star roster?

https://media1.giphy.com/media/bU2nZ...giphy.gif&ct=g


You’re forgetting Ward and Mathieu, but, yeah..

QB aside, we had a top 10 roster last year at the very least. This roster looks like it could be bottom 10.

Phoneix 03-29-2022 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16223332)
You’re forgetting Ward and Mathieu, but, yeah..

QB aside, we had a top 10 roster last year at the very least. This roster looks like it could be bottom 10.

Ward i would agree on but Matthieu…I think he is on the down side - kinda glad he isn’t coming back as a starter.

Chris Meck 03-29-2022 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16221655)
What part?

Here's the breakdown of it

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tyreek Hill’s <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Dolphins?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Dolphins</a> Extension<br>- 4 yrs, $120M<br>- $52.5M guaranteed at sign<br>- Another $19.6M in March ’23<br>- ’23 restructure likely<br>- 4 yrs, $95.4M practical<br><br>Cap Hits<br>2022: $6.4M<br>2023: $31.2M<br>2024: $24.8M<br>2025: $28M<br>2026: $50.1M<br><br>Full Breakdown: <a href="https://t.co/xE4LWx76aE">https://t.co/xE4LWx76aE</a></p>&mdash; Spotrac (@spotrac) <a href="https://twitter.com/spotrac/status/1506766966467538948?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 23, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>



How much money were you willing to go to to re-sign him? At what point did he get too expensive and would have ruined the chiefs cap?

man, you just don't pay whatever they demand. Tyreek was wanting to be the highest paid WR in football. Doing that directly means minus 5 draft picks (including a #1, #2, two #4's, and a #6) plus the $75m in cap space over the next 3 years that we won't be paying Hill. That's a huge difference. This team wasn't good enough to get it done the last two seasons. Keeping Hill would've meant treading water. Better to rip the bandaid off and restock the cupboard.

I'm sorry you are still pissed. I didn't want to trade him either. But he's gone, and selling high like that brought a hell of a haul, and the team will be better off. I totally get why Veach and Andy did it, and I'm impressed, actually; I was expecting Andy to be sentimental and hold on to these guys for too long.

This is how you compete for championships for the entirety of your generational QB's career. You sell high, you buy low, and you draft well.

Better get used to it. It'll be Jones next off-season, bank on it.

And that'll be okay, too.


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