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ThyKingdomCome15 01-11-2023 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16728115)
I'm torn on JJSS. Seems like a really good value piece but overpaying seems to cap your ceiling a bit.

I dunno. Would really depend on $.

Dolphins think Juju seems very nice.

The Franchise 01-11-2023 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16728954)
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Detox and I have been called Skyy haters at the same time we were calling for him to start opposite of JuJu to provide a weak-side man-beater as early as Week 3.

These are interesting folks...

Now now…Detox was driving that CEH train for the draft. Let’s pump the breaks on his opinions. :D

RunKC 01-11-2023 04:36 PM

Watson had about 500 snaps this year. Hardman had 303. Skyy had 313 this year.

That’s 800 snaps between Hardman and Watson open with Juju here.

This isn’t hard..

O.city 01-11-2023 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16728948)
I’d sign Juju and let Watson walk. Give Skyy the reps from Watson and Hardman

Skyy doesn't do the things either of those guys do though.

ToxSocks 01-11-2023 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16728981)
Now now…Detox was driving that CEH train for the draft. Let’s pump the breaks on his opinions. :D

Hey hey buddy, the Chiefs DID draft him afterall....that has to count for something.

O.city 01-11-2023 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16728959)
By running deep crossers and vertical routes - duh.

I mean, have we seen him run 1 of those this season? Just 1, 1 time?

ToxSocks 01-11-2023 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16728994)
Watson had about 500 snaps this year. Hardman had 303. Skyy had 313 this year.

That’s 800 snaps between Hardman and Watson open with Juju here.

This isn’t hard..

Makes you wonder what that snap count would look like if Hardman didn't miss half the season.

DJ's left nut 01-11-2023 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16728981)
Now now…Detox was driving that CEH train for the draft. Let’s pump the breaks on his opinions. :D

You wanted to trade away our draft for Jermaine Johnson.

Glass houses and stones and what not, sir...

(Tariq Woolen is still better than Josh Williams)

DJ's left nut 01-11-2023 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16728994)
Watson had about 500 snaps this year. Hardman had 303. Skyy had 313 this year.

That’s 800 snaps between Hardman and Watson open with Juju here.

This isn’t hard..

From two guys who have completely different skill sets than Moore.

Meanwhile I can think of a way to open up about 800 snaps in a role that perfectly matches the skills that Moore has demonstrated in college and the pros....

The Franchise 01-11-2023 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16729011)
You wanted to trade away our draft for Jermaine Johnson.

Glass houses and stones and what not, sir...

(Tariq Woolen is still better than Josh Williams)

Why do you need to cut so deep?

RunKC 01-11-2023 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16728999)
Skyy doesn't do the things either of those guys do though.

Really now? Hmmm

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The only touch for Skyy Moore came on this jet sweep. The motion across creates a numbers advantage for KC play side in the secondary. 87 and 83 get out leading the way. EOL is left unblocked, and 77 looks to seal the inside LB. The motion gave the Bengals issues in the run game. <a href="https://t.co/mDheheph2T">pic.twitter.com/mDheheph2T</a></p>&mdash; Caleb James (@CJScoobs) <a href="https://twitter.com/CJScoobs/status/1600674722156466176?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 8, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Every Skyy Moore target from Sunday.<br><br>There was definitely a focus on getting the ball into his hands and letting him make a play. He was given three WR screens, and Pat missed him on seam route for a big play. <a href="https://t.co/B4zves1SUQ">pic.twitter.com/B4zves1SUQ</a></p>&mdash; Zack Eisen (@zackeisen21) <a href="https://twitter.com/zackeisen21/status/1610822859211042816?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 5, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

DJ's left nut 01-11-2023 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16729047)
Really now? Hmmm

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The only touch for Skyy Moore came on this jet sweep. The motion across creates a numbers advantage for KC play side in the secondary. 87 and 83 get out leading the way. EOL is left unblocked, and 77 looks to seal the inside LB. The motion gave the Bengals issues in the run game. <a href="https://t.co/mDheheph2T">pic.twitter.com/mDheheph2T</a></p>&mdash; Caleb James (@CJScoobs) <a href="https://twitter.com/CJScoobs/status/1600674722156466176?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 8, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He gained 12 yards and got run down from behind by a defensive end.

And it was probably his best run of the season.

Methinks this is not the caliber of argument you believe it is.

If they intend for Moore to replace Hardman's role on this team, they're setting him up to fail. This is NOT where he excels and if you are a fan of the guy it most assuredly not how you should want to see him used.

DJ's left nut 01-11-2023 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16729047)
Really now? Hmmm


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Every Skyy Moore target from Sunday.<br><br>There was definitely a focus on getting the ball into his hands and letting him make a play. He was given three WR screens, and Pat missed him on seam route for a big play. <a href="https://t.co/B4zves1SUQ">pic.twitter.com/B4zves1SUQ</a></p>&mdash; Zack Eisen (@zackeisen21) <a href="https://twitter.com/zackeisen21/status/1610822859211042816?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 5, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He caught a short pass and ran through contact to pick up additional yardage??

Man, it's almost like that's EXACTLY what JJSS has done in this offense all season and maybe that might be a good role for him to fill going forward...

DJ's left nut 01-11-2023 05:11 PM

The answer is staring you dead in the face IF you believe in Skyy Moore to the extent so many people claim to believe in Skyy Moore.

But I've kinda come to the conclusion that most of the people that are just absolutely dead certain that he'll prove the haters wrong and are AGHAST at drawing any conclusions on the pick based on his rookie year....don't actually trust the kid to contribute next season anymore than his most virulent detractors do.

And in many cases, they trust him less.

ToxSocks 01-11-2023 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16729047)
Really now? Hmmm

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The only touch for Skyy Moore came on this jet sweep. The motion across creates a numbers advantage for KC play side in the secondary. 87 and 83 get out leading the way. EOL is left unblocked, and 77 looks to seal the inside LB. The motion gave the Bengals issues in the run game. <a href="https://t.co/mDheheph2T">pic.twitter.com/mDheheph2T</a></p>&mdash; Caleb James (@CJScoobs) <a href="https://twitter.com/CJScoobs/status/1600674722156466176?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 8, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Every Skyy Moore target from Sunday.<br><br>There was definitely a focus on getting the ball into his hands and letting him make a play. He was given three WR screens, and Pat missed him on seam route for a big play. <a href="https://t.co/B4zves1SUQ">pic.twitter.com/B4zves1SUQ</a></p>&mdash; Zack Eisen (@zackeisen21) <a href="https://twitter.com/zackeisen21/status/1610822859211042816?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 5, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This is effectively a demonstration that Moore is still taking basic ed. classes in Reid's offense.

1. Hardman is way better at that shit than Moore.
2. You've failed to demonstrate the other, and more important part of Hardman and Watson's game: the vertical speed element
3. It's more likely that Toney ends up vulturing those snaps than Moore anyway, because, again, better at it.

I was told Skyy's game is his "elite" short area quickness, savvy route running skills and giant hands.

If that's the case, then why wouldn't you put him in JJSS' position and let him work short/intermediate zones? That's EXACTLY where'd you use a skill set like that. Hence why taking over JJSS' role makes perfect sense.

And frankly, Moore lovers should be embracing this idea, since that would at least give a qualifying reason as to why Moore hasn't seen more snaps.


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