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notorious 01-14-2025 08:53 AM

If Darnold still has a locker this morning they are doing it wrong.

chiefzilla1501 01-14-2025 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17910016)
Their roster is so good that people have kinda forgotten that Jalen Hurts...isn't.

They've won enough games with him at QB that folks have decided he's an elite QB. But he really isn't. He's an expensive Purdy.

Shit, now that I think about it, Hurts may be the best comp for Nix.

He's...fine. He's not a problem but he's not a force multiplier.

Is it Barkley that says "he's the wagon not the horse"? I think it's Wright that says he's a thermometer not a furnace or something like that.

Essentially, if he looks good it's because his team is playing well. He's not the REASON his team is playing well, but rather a proxy for that good play around him.

Not enough discussion on how bad Jalen hurts has been. He has been brutally bad and you can see it in his WRs faces. And kinda like the vikes with their insane weapons, how you gonna struggle to put up 100 yards with aj brown, Devonta and goedert against teams begging you to throw the ball?

notorious 01-14-2025 08:55 AM

How did Hurts play the game of his life against us?

Good lord he had one of the best Superbowl games of all-time.

chiefzilla1501 01-14-2025 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 17910059)
If Darnold still has a locker this morning they are doing it wrong.

Eh I don’t get people throwing him under the bus. He isn’t some huge contract guy or some egomaniac. He’s a backup qb paid like a backup who went way beyond expectations. They should be grateful they had a mostly joyful season even though they were supposed to be miserable.

Darnolds only fault was that he gave the fans hope. He was too successful early on and it’s hard to fault somebody for that.

chiefzilla1501 01-14-2025 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 17910065)
How did Hurts play the game of his life against us?

Good lord he had one of the best Superbowl games of all-time.

I think it was the Joe Flacco effect where decent enough QBs can string together an insane playoff run every once in a while. He was definitely terrific against us.

Buehler445 01-14-2025 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17909983)
At least Purdy isn't going to get his shit pushed in by every single blitz you send at him.

I'm just floored by how poorly Darnold handled that the last 2 weeks. It was just spamming an easy button and he had no earthly idea what to do with it.

I haven't watched much Vikes. Did dudes just not blitz them? Was this a ****ing surprise? Because as bad as Darnold was - he was very bad - I didn't see a ton of TE leaks, RB in the flat, comebacks, the hot route shit.

I mean, the ones that were there he missed, so whatever, but I don't think O'Connell did a ton to help him.

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17910000)
Mediocre is fine. Honestly, more teams should shoot for and be fine with that.

I can't believe Dallas didn't bring back McCarthy, a guy who has shown he can get the best out of Dak and win 12 games a year.

But, no. Lets shoot for "we've gotta win SB's this is unacceptable".

You don't have one of the top QB's who win SB's. You won't win.

I'm here for the jokes, and there will be a lot, so this is GREAT.

**** the Cowbtiches.

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 17910062)
Not enough discussion on how bad Jalen hurts has been. He has been brutally bad and you can see it in his WRs faces. And kinda like the vikes with their insane weapons, how you gonna struggle to put up 100 yards with aj brown, Devonta and goedert against teams begging you to throw the ball?

Yeah, I don't get it. Dude hasn't thrown for 200 yards in over a month? I think I have that right, my God what are they doing?

And it's not like he can't, he had a great game in the Super Bowl against us.

There has to be an injury that Sirianni is hiding (like the ankle earlier in the year) or something. If not, it's time for a change at coach.

Bl00dyBizkitz 01-14-2025 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17910016)
Their roster is so good that people have kinda forgotten that Jalen Hurts...isn't.

They've won enough games with him at QB that folks have decided he's an elite QB. But he really isn't. He's an expensive Purdy.

Shit, now that I think about it, Hurts may be the best comp for Nix.

He's...fine. He's not a problem but he's not a force multiplier.

Is it Barkley that says "he's the wagon not the horse"? I think it's Wright that says he's a thermometer not a furnace or something like that.

Essentially, if he looks good it's because his team is playing well. He's not the REASON his team is playing well, but rather a proxy for that good play around him.

Barkley likes the bus driver/passenger analogy.

chiefzilla1501 01-14-2025 09:24 AM

I just read that darnold was sacked 6 times in the first half and most were well beyond 3 seconds. First second and third, darnold played very shitty.

I’m a big fan of KOC and think he was handcuffed by a bad qb. I also don’t know that he did him any favors. In some ways it reminded me of the tyreek days where defenses bracketed him and we only had speed guys. Couple of critical short yardage plays last night where I seem to remember everyone being way downfield apart for maybe a tight end running underneath.

Deberg_1990 01-14-2025 09:32 AM

That the Vikings won 14 games is some kind of miracle.

DJ's left nut 01-14-2025 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 17910086)
I haven't watched much Vikes. Did dudes just not blitz them? Was this a ****ing surprise? Because as bad as Darnold was - he was very bad - I didn't see a ton of TE leaks, RB in the flat, comebacks, the hot route shit.

I mean, the ones that were there he missed, so whatever, but I don't think O'Connell did a ton to help him.

I said this during the Lions game.

"Coach of the Year, my ass..."

O'Connell left Darnold out there to die in the two biggest games of their season and was THOROUGHLY out-coached in both games.

He'll get his win this year and I hope to never hear his name among the actual championship caliber coaches in the league again. Because he got exposed down the stretch.

There might just be some McDaniel to him. He's a guy who can look awfully sharp when things are going his way but he doesn't seem to have much of a plan when he gets punched in the mouth.

O.city 01-14-2025 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17910130)
I said this during the Lions game.

"Coach of the Year, my ass..."

O'Connell left Darnold out there to die in the two biggest games of their season and was THOROUGHLY out-coached in both games.

He'll get his win this year and I hope to never hear his name among the actual championship caliber coaches in the league again. Because he got exposed down the stretch.

There might just be some McDaniel to him. He's a guy who can look awfully sharp when things are going his way but he doesn't seem to have much of a plan when he gets punched in the mouth.

I'm sure I'll get shit on for it, but this is another reason I don't think Andy gets the praise he should.

Alot of these coaches are good coaches when things go their way or when they have a hot QB.

But they themselves making the QB play well? Nah, but I've seen Andy do it.

DJ's left nut 01-14-2025 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17910134)
I'm sure I'll get shit on for it, but this is another reason I don't think Andy gets the praise he should.

Alot of these coaches are good coaches when things go their way or when they have a hot QB.

But they themselves making the QB play well? Nah, but I've seen Andy do it.

I said it BEFORE he won his first SB -- Andy Reid was always a victim of his own success.

People wanted to kill him for not winning a SB with Donovan McNabb when in fact, the only reason people thought that scatter-armed mediocrity was a championship caliber QB was BECAUSE of Andy Reid.

I didn't need the SBs to know that Reid was one of the best coaches of all time. But I'm sure glad he got 'em.

smithandrew051 01-14-2025 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17910016)
Their roster is so good that people have kinda forgotten that Jalen Hurts...isn't.

They've won enough games with him at QB that folks have decided he's an elite QB. But he really isn't. He's an expensive Purdy.

Shit, now that I think about it, Hurts may be the best comp for Nix.

He's...fine. He's not a problem but he's not a force multiplier.

Is it Barkley that says "he's the wagon not the horse"? I think it's Wright that says he's a thermometer not a furnace or something like that.

Essentially, if he looks good it's because his team is playing well. He's not the REASON his team is playing well, but rather a proxy for that good play around him.

Hurts has pedestrian passing stats for his career, but it’s really hard to imagine a guy being in a better situation than he’s been.

A great duo of WRs. Always has talented running backs. Has had a really good Tight End. Great OL. At least pretty good defense.

Third and short has mostly been automatic for them as well.

Never thrown for 4,000 yards. Career high of 23 passing TDs.

If he ended up anywhere else, he might not be a starter right now.

notorious 01-14-2025 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 17910067)
Eh I don’t get people throwing him under the bus. He isn’t some huge contract guy or some egomaniac. He’s a backup qb paid like a backup who went way beyond expectations. They should be grateful they had a mostly joyful season even though they were supposed to be miserable.

Darnolds only fault was that he gave the fans hope. He was too successful early on and it’s hard to fault somebody for that.

If the Vikings want to move him to backup that's fine.

No way in the world should he be starting next year.

smithandrew051 01-14-2025 09:55 AM

An average Hurts season is roughly:

3,500 yards. 20 TDs. 8 picks.

Nothing special at all.


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