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Archie Bunker 03-26-2009 09:36 AM

The New York Jets select Michael Hamlin, S, Clemson

Direckshun 03-26-2009 06:05 PM

The Saints are hurting for a big DT to stop the run next to Sedrick Ellis, but their pain in the linebacking corps is just beginning.

The Saints came this close to gnabbing Daniel Holtzclaw at MLB, but they resigned Vilma so they're going with a guy they think can start on the outside, a guy who was a stud in the Pac 10 for California and excels at getting to the QB, a strength the Saints already have but could definitely welcome the help.

The Saints select OLB Zack Follett, California.

Cowboys are up.

ChiefsCountry 03-26-2009 07:27 PM

Dallas Cowboys select Sebastian Vollmer, OT, Houston

Archie Bunker 03-27-2009 10:23 AM

The New York Jets select Keenan Lewis, CB, Oregon St

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-27-2009 02:03 PM

Didja PM Floppy?

Archie Bunker 03-27-2009 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5616758)
Didja PM Floppy?

Just sent one. Forgot all about it.

Mr. Flopnuts 03-27-2009 06:21 PM

It's time for the Bears to address another area of great need. This guy should start immediately, with Mike Brown departing. While they did sign Josh Bullocks, he's not going to be the long term answer at the position.

The Chicago Bears select Derrick Pegues FS Mississippi State

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-27-2009 06:26 PM

I was just about to step out for the night, then I decided to log in. Maybe it'll save us 18 hours, and/or me making a pick while shitfaced.


Given Nate Davis' fall from grace, sometimes the best pick is the one you don't get a chance to make. I don't think anyone could have predicted the debacle that has been his offseason, especially given that it's also come out that he has a learning disorder.

I cannot in good faith give the Tampa Bay franchise nothing more than a McNown to rest their hats on. I fully believe that the Bucs will have a very high pick next year, but at this point, the success or growth of this pick will give them more flexibility with their high 1 next year. Left end, 3-tech, WR, OL, and the secondary still have holes, and there are players that I like here for some of those spots, but none of them offer this much upside.

Rather than waiting for Sam Bradford, I'll draft the guy who he was supposed to backup.

The Tampa Bay Bucs select Rhett Bomar, QB, Sam Houston State/Oklahoma Chevy.

The Franchise 03-27-2009 10:45 PM

The Philadelphia Eagles select Aaron Kelly, WR, Clemson

Kevin Curtis isn't getting any younger and the Eagles are still lacking that true red zone threat. Aaron Kelly is 6'5" and with the 38" vertical he showed at the combine he is the red zone threat that the Eagles are looking for. With Curtis, DeSean Jackson, Aaron Kelly, Brian Westbrook, Knowshon Moreno and Brandon Pettigrew......McNabb has nothing to complain about. Plus Philly's offense is set for years.

Marco Polo 03-28-2009 07:07 AM

The Texans need more help in the secondary.

At 118, the Houston Texans select Asher Allen, CB, Georgia.

The Ravens are on the clock.

Fairplay 03-28-2009 09:40 PM

I met Brian Robiskie a couple weekends ago, and didn't know who he was until later. We were at a restaurant in Columbus, Ohio.

We had to wait about 45 minutes for a table. While we were waiting a group of eight people or so came in and waited next to us. His dad was really cool. We exchanged pleasantries, his wife was really nice also. (his dad is a wide receiver coach for the Falcons).

We were seated and and ordered the food. Then the table next to us cleared out and they sat next to our table. Anyway, a guy came over and asked for his autograph. We were like, ummm, who is that guy? I thought he was a basketball player because he was tall.

Then later we asked the waiter and he told us who he was. I wasn't familar with the name so i looked it up on the internet when we got home. I told the GF who it was and who his dad was excitedly, she was like :rolleyes:.
She doesn't know or care about sports.

He is a nice, and quiet guy, from what i could tell.

DaKCMan AP 03-29-2009 06:29 AM

Sorry for the delay - out of town with limited internet access.

The Ravens go value here and select a TE to pair with, and eventually replace Heap. Chiefs select TE Travis Beckum, Wisconsin.

Spicy McHaggis 03-29-2009 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 5621983)
Sorry for the delay - out of town with limited internet access.

The Ravens go value here and select a TE to pair with, and eventually replace Heap. Chiefs select TE Travis Beckum, Wisconsin.

Damn you!

If he's fully recovered from his injury he's got a skill set similar to Dustin Keller (a little less speed though).

DaKCMan AP 03-29-2009 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 5621983)
Sorry for the delay - out of town with limited internet access.

The Ravens go value here and select a TE to pair with, and eventually replace Heap. Chiefs select TE Travis Beckum, Wisconsin.

Hah, I put Chiefs select.. of course I meant Ravens select. ;)

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-29-2009 03:11 PM

I'm picking for OTW.

Well, I just don't see any way that this player will make it to my Kansas City pick, and given that OTW was gracious enough to give me his picks for the weekend, I'm going to do him right.

The Patriots need almost all their help on the defensive side of the ball. They've added one MLB in Laurinaitis, but now they can add a two down thumper to play the TED position, so that Adalius Thomas can just pin his ears back most of the time.

The New England Patriots select Jasper Brinkley, ILB, South Carolina

milkman 03-29-2009 03:47 PM

The Falcons released Lawyer Milloy in February, and don't really have anyone to step into the role.

They'll take a safety here to compete with Jamal Fudge and Eric Brock to fill the position.

Falcons select Jamarca Sanford, SS, Ole Miss

ChiefsCountry 03-29-2009 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5622796)
I'm picking for OTW.

Well, I just don't see any way that this player will make it to my Kansas City pick, and given that OTW was gracious enough to give me his picks for the weekend, I'm going to do him right.

The Patriots need almost all their help on the defensive side of the ball. They've added one MLB in Laurinaitis, but now they can add a two down thumper to play the TED position, so that Adalius Thomas can just pin his ears back most of the time.

The New England Patriots select Jasper Brinkley, ILB, South Carolina

Damn I was hoping he would slide to Cincy. Nice pick.

Spicy McHaggis 03-29-2009 07:07 PM

Miami Dolphins select Scott McKillop, LB, Pitt

The Franchise 03-29-2009 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spicy McHaggis (Post 5623594)
Miami Dolphins select Scott McKillop, LB, Pitt

:cuss:

BigChiefFan 03-30-2009 10:34 AM

A PM would have been nice to know I'm up. I'll select within the hour.

BigChiefFan 03-30-2009 10:52 AM

The Panthers select the most underrated safety in the draft, Sherrod Martin, FS, Troy State

Spicy McHaggis 03-30-2009 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 5624630)
A PM would have been nice to know I'm up. I'll select within the hour.

My bad, man

The Franchise 03-30-2009 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 5624701)
The Panthers select the most underrated safety in the draft, Sherrod Martin, FS, Troy State

He's so underrated that he's already been selected.

Pick #94 - Tennessee Titans

BigChiefFan 03-30-2009 11:06 AM

Yep, I'll change it. Zouk had him selected as a CORNERBACK, which he isn't, so I missed his selection.

The Franchise 03-30-2009 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 5624752)
Yep, I'll change it. Zouk had him selected as a CORNERBACK, which he isn't, so I missed his selection.

No biggie.

Zouk 03-30-2009 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 5624752)
Yep, I'll change it. Zouk had him selected as a CORNERBACK, which he isn't, so I missed his selection.

He practiced as a corner at the Senior Bowl, and I think he can definitely play there in the NFL.

OnTheWarpath15 03-30-2009 11:28 AM

Well, I'm back, but not for long...

Looks like this new job, plus school and some other obligations are going to force me to end my participation in the mock for this year.

Things are beyond chaotic right now, and it's not getting better anytime soon.

I hereby bequeath my remaining picks to Hamas, and hopefully Mecca can continue to keep the board updated for you guys.

Enjoy the final 3 rounds.

Spicy McHaggis 03-30-2009 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5624817)
Well, I'm back, but not for long...

Looks like this new job, plus school and some other obligations are going to force me to end my participation in the mock for this year.

Things are beyond chaotic right now, and it's not getting better anytime soon.

I hereby bequeath my remaining picks to Hamas, and hopefully Mecca can continue to keep the board updated for you guys.

Enjoy the final 3 rounds.

No problem man. Thanks for heading it up again, hope everything calms down for you in a bit.

Mr. Flopnuts 03-30-2009 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5624817)
Well, I'm back, but not for long...

Looks like this new job, plus school and some other obligations are going to force me to end my participation in the mock for this year.

Things are beyond chaotic right now, and it's not getting better anytime soon.

I hereby bequeath my remaining picks to Hamas, and hopefully Mecca can continue to keep the board updated for you guys.

Enjoy the final 3 rounds.

Hopefully it's good busy instead of bad busy. Take care bro, stop in and let us know how things are going if you get a chance.

The Franchise 03-30-2009 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5624817)
Well, I'm back, but not for long...

Looks like this new job, plus school and some other obligations are going to force me to end my participation in the mock for this year.

Things are beyond chaotic right now, and it's not getting better anytime soon.

I hereby bequeath my remaining picks to Hamas, and hopefully Mecca can continue to keep the board updated for you guys.

Enjoy the final 3 rounds.

Thanks for getting it going.

Maybe you should start a thread about leaving.

OnTheWarpath15 03-30-2009 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spicy McHaggis (Post 5624889)
No problem man. Thanks for heading it up again, hope everything calms down for you in a bit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 5624927)
Hopefully it's good busy instead of bad busy. Take care bro, stop in and let us know how things are going if you get a chance.

Eh, a bit of both.

The new job is a "good" busy, but school is really kicking my ass right now - so it's not the best time. I'll tough it out for the next 6 weeks, then get bumped to 60-80 hours a week at work.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23 (Post 5624945)
Thanks for getting it going.

Maybe you should start a thread about leaving.

I'm not going anywhere, I just won't have the time to keep up with this mock the way I intended to. Shit happens.

Have fun fellas, and BTW, great pick for me, Hamas.

Mr. Flopnuts 03-30-2009 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 5624752)
Yep, I'll change it. Zouk had him selected as a CORNERBACK, which he isn't, so I missed his selection.

I was going to take him for the Bears until I realized he was selected. The CB deal threw me off as well.

BigChiefFan 03-30-2009 12:36 PM

The Panthers select Tyronne Green, OG, Auburn

Mecca 03-30-2009 12:59 PM

With the Colts switching out of the cover 2 it's important for them to get a DT that can be strong at the point and handle blockers, and it's also a position in which they lack depth at so the Colts select..

Terrance Taylor, DT, Michigan

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-30-2009 01:44 PM

Thanks, OTW, I appreciate it. However, in the interest of fairness, if anyone wants the Lions or Pats for the remainder of the draft, and their team had a low amount of picks, I'll give them an extra team to make up for the disparity. No use in me having 1/8 of all the teams in the mock

Direckshun 03-30-2009 02:58 PM

The Giants have picked:

1. DE Michael Johnson, Georgia Tech
2. DB Sean Smith, Utah
2. WR Louis Murphy, Florida
3. QB Chase "Toolbox" Daniel
3. OLB Gerald McRath, Southern Mississippi

The Giants still need a lot of help planning for their future LB corps. McRath could be promising on the outside, but help in the middle is still going to be a need as very soon as next year.

Daniel Holtzclaw from E Mich is as physically primed as you can get in the fourth round. His upside is huge but since he comes from a small school, some downside is prevalent as well. The Giants are just taking all kinds of risks this year.

Anyway, giving Holtzclaw some time backing up Pierce at MLB, and at least the Giants will know by 2009 whether they need to invest in a high pick to replace Pierce, or if Holtzclaw may be able to handle it himself.

The New York Giants select MLB Daniel Holtzclaw, Eastern Michigan.

Mecca 03-30-2009 03:02 PM

Well the mock can't be updated anymore because...

1. The text that you have entered is too long (20048 characters). Please shorten it to 20000 characters long.

Nice forum we have here.

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-30-2009 03:11 PM

Everyone knows the procedure by now, so just delete the rules and leave up the picks.

Spicy McHaggis 03-30-2009 03:11 PM

lol

New thread I guess then? Just copy the list in the first post and we can go from there.

Mecca 03-30-2009 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5625642)
Everyone knows the procedure by now, so just delete the rules and leave up the picks.

I'll still get it again before the draft is over...

Zouk 03-30-2009 03:15 PM

The Titans select Lydon Murtha OT Nebraska.

He's the kind of tall mobile tackle the Titans go for. He can compete for the swing tackle spot behind Roos and Stewart.

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-30-2009 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zouk (Post 5625656)
The Titans select Lydon Murtha OT Nebraska.

He's the kind of tall mobile tackle the Titans go for. He can compete for the swing tackle spot behind Roos and Stewart.

A workout warrior if there ever was one.

Mecca 03-30-2009 03:17 PM

I have 2 players targeted that I'm a huge fan of, if any of you bastards take them I'm going to kill you.

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-30-2009 03:19 PM

I bet I know one of them.

Mecca 03-30-2009 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5625667)
I bet I know one of them.

Uh oh...

Zouk 03-30-2009 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5625660)
A workout warrior if there ever was one.

And a starting lineman on a team that scored 30+ points in just about every game last year.

End of the 4th round is a great place to gamble on a phenomenal athlete whose college career was hampered by injuries. For a team that likes lighter linemen he can be a find.

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-30-2009 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zouk (Post 5625687)
And a starting lineman on a team that scored 30+ points in just about every game last year.

End of the 4th round is a great place to gamble on a phenomenal athlete whose college career was hampered by injuries. For a team that likes lighter linemen he can be a find.

He was also benched, and is considered soft. I knew someone would take a flyer on him, though.

eazyb81 03-30-2009 03:38 PM

Arizona Cardinals select Donald Washington, CB, Ohio State

I like Washington's size and upside. He will be able to play the run well and he also has the athleticism and speed necessary to one day develop into a starting CB.

BigChiefFan 03-30-2009 06:07 PM

The Steelers select, Jason Phillips, ILBer, TCU

Zouk 03-30-2009 06:19 PM

The San Diego Chargers select Mike Thomas WR, Arizona and Javon Ringer RB, Michigan St.

Running back and wide receiver are the most loaded positions in this draft, and the Chargers are able to pluck possibly the last 2 day 1 caliber players at those positions at the end of round 4. Mike Thomas should be a nice fit as a compliment to the tall receivers Jackson and Floyd, and Javon Ringer is an NFL-ready back that can step in when either or both LT and Sproles leave after 2009.

Zouk 03-30-2009 06:22 PM

The Titans select Jason Williams LB, W. Illinois.

He should fit in as a backup linebacker that can step in for the aging David Thornton in 2010.

Mecca 03-30-2009 06:25 PM

And now the Colts will select another late drafted player who will be productive for them staying with their whole idea of drafting productive defenders late the Colts select..

Kaluka Maiava, OLB, USC

ChiefsCountry 03-30-2009 09:04 PM

So is Hamas taking Detroit over or is somebody else?

Mr. Flopnuts 03-30-2009 09:19 PM

If he comes on, he can go twice. I'm ready to pick.

Direckshun 03-30-2009 09:22 PM

My plate is full. I can barely keep up with my picks.

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-30-2009 10:39 PM

Holy Shit, I'm dancing a jig here. I didn't think there was any way he'd fall to us.

The Detroit Lions select David Bruton, FS, Notre Dame

Mr. Flopnuts 03-30-2009 11:03 PM

The Rams need a back to spell SJ. They need someone with break away speed for a change of pace. While this guy has never really been known for that, and he's uh, gained some weight in the last couple of years, he did run the fastest 40 time at the combine. He's known for his heart and attitude, and frankly the Rams can use some of it.

The Rams select Cedric Peerman RB Virginia

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-30-2009 11:16 PM

The Kansas City Chiefs sprint to the podium and select Cornelius Lewis OG/RT, Tennessee State.

RealSNR 03-30-2009 11:33 PM

Cadogen in the 4th. Lewis in the 5th.

Brett Williams in the 4th. Jordan Black in the 5th.

Anybody else notice a trend?

Direckshun 03-31-2009 12:28 AM

Hamas is going balls to the wall upgrading the offense...

Defense? Meh.

ChiefsCountry 03-31-2009 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 5627151)
Defense? Meh.

2010 Draft. Defense - :drool:

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-31-2009 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 5627067)
Cadogen in the 4th. Lewis in the 5th.

Brett Williams in the 4th. Jordan Black in the 5th.

Anybody else notice a trend?

Anyone else notice that when we had one of the best lines in history only one player on it was a 1st round pick and two weren't even drafted?

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-31-2009 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 5627151)
Hamas is going balls to the wall upgrading the offense...

Defense? Meh.

You'd have to be a moron to try and build a 3-4 defense in this draft with 1 pick in the first 66.

The Franchise 03-31-2009 07:43 AM

Champ Bailey isn't getting any younger and the depth behind him isn't that great. The Denver Broncos select:

Jason McCourty, CB, Rutgers

The Franchise 03-31-2009 07:46 AM

The Eagles continue to add to their depth at o-line (in true Andy Reid fashion). The Philadelphia Eagles select:

A.Q. Shipley, OG/OC, Penn State

ChiefsCountry 03-31-2009 09:00 AM

Bengals add some nice depth to the DL.

Cincinnati Bengals select Vance Walker, DT Georgia Tech

RealSNR 03-31-2009 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5627177)
Anyone else notice that when we had one of the best lines in history only one player on it was a 1st round pick and two weren't even drafted?

Yeah, but this recent approach we've been taking for about the past 10 years regarding drafting offensive linemen hasn't been working out at all.

We've spent buttloads of 6th and 7th round picks on offensive linemen. Darnell Alford, Alex Sulfsted, Jeremy Parquet, Will Svitek, Kevin Sampson, Herb Taylor (my boy), Richardson, and then you throw in guys like Brett Williams and Jordan Black in the 4th and 5th. For a position that's supposed to yield a few successful finds in the later rounds, at least as backups, that's not a very good list. Jordan Black is the most successful guy we've drafted.

Granted, we have Brian Waters to be thankful for, but even then we didn't pick him up after the draft. He was around for awhile with Dallas if I remember correctly before coming to KC.

I don't know if Taylor or Richardson will work out, but those other guys are dogshit. Albert is our lineman since John Tait to be drafted in the first 3 rounds. I'd like to see us pull the trigger again by either trading down in the first or finding some guys in the 2nd or 3rd round.

ChiefsCountry 03-31-2009 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 5629871)
Yeah, but this recent approach we've been taking for about the past 10 years regarding drafting offensive linemen hasn't been working out at all.

We've spent buttloads of 6th and 7th round picks on offensive linemen. Darnell Alford, Alex Sulfsted, Jeremy Parquet, Will Svitek, Kevin Sampson, Herb Taylor (my boy), Richardson, and then you throw in guys like Brett Williams and Jordan Black in the 4th and 5th. For a position that's supposed to yield a few successful finds in the later rounds, at least as backups, that's not a very good list. Jordan Black is the most successful guy we've drafted.

Granted, we have Brian Waters to be thankful for, but even then we didn't pick him up after the draft. He was around for awhile with Dallas if I remember correctly before coming to KC.

I don't know if Taylor or Richardson will work out, but those other guys are dogshit. Albert is our lineman since John Tait to be drafted in the first 3 rounds. I'd like to see us pull the trigger again by either trading down in the first or finding some guys in the 2nd or 3rd round.

I'm not a Pioli is all that guy but the Pats line was built in the middle rounds.

RealSNR 04-01-2009 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5630412)
I'm not a Pioli is all that guy but the Pats line was built in the middle rounds.

True. I definitely didn't touch on the Carl disclaimer

milkman 04-01-2009 06:37 AM

Tying to add depth to their DL, the Falcons select Ra'Shon Harris, DT, Oregon

Archie Bunker 04-01-2009 09:49 AM

The Jacksonville Jaguars select Mike Wallace, WR, Ole Miss

milkman 04-01-2009 12:33 PM

Loooking for a player that they can line up at DE in their new 34 defense, the Pack select Will Johnson, DT/DE, Michigan

DaKCMan AP 04-01-2009 02:02 PM

The 49ers can use some depth on their OL and groom a guy who can become an eventual starter. This guy didn't play football until his junior year of high school and started for 2 seasons for Florida at both LT and RT. He is still raw but athletic as hell with great size (6'6" 320lbs) - he even lined up some at TE during his 1st year at Florida. He is a smart guy (high 30's on the Wonderlic) who knows how to win, as evidenced by his two National Championship rings, and he's versatile enough to line up at LT, RT, or OG.

The San Francisco 49ers select Jason Watkins, OT, Florida.

Mecca 04-01-2009 03:22 PM

Seeing what round this pick is, and one of my favorite players that I think could develop into a productive starter and give the Bills some versatility they will select with this pick...

Chris Clemons, Safety, Clemson.

Zouk 04-01-2009 04:12 PM

The Chargers select Alex Fletcher, C, Stanford.

SD needs a backup center and missed out on the top tier. We would have taken Clemons if Mecca hadn't.

The Franchise 04-01-2009 04:29 PM

The Denver Broncos select Worrell Williams, ILB, California

The Broncos signed Andra Davis during the offseason to hold down one of the ILB roles in their 3-4 defense. Williams will sit behind him for one or two years and then step into the starting position.

Mecca 04-01-2009 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23 (Post 5632429)
The Denver Broncos select Worrell Williams, ILB, California

The Broncos signed Andra Davis during the offseason to hold down one of the ILB roles in their 3-4 defense. Williams will sit behind him for one or two years and then step into the starting position.

Ha, you know that's DJ Williams brother right?

The Franchise 04-01-2009 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5632438)
Ha, you know that's DJ Williams brother right?

I seriously had no clue. I guess that works out even better for the them then.

BigChiefFan 04-01-2009 07:55 PM

The Redskins select the strongest O-lineman in the draft, who also didn't allow a sack in 2007...Louis Vasquez, OG, Texas Tech.

Direckshun 04-01-2009 08:15 PM

The Giants need a second Wind and you can never have enough horses in the stable.

I'm opting for a smaller RB with home-run potential.

A 4.3 40, 31 reps, and a 10-2 broad jump? Who is this man!?!?!

I bet the Giants know.

The New York Giants select RB Antone Smith, Florida State.


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