is that when Daboll's contract is up?

I could see multiple college teams being interested in Daboll for OC. Pro? No one admitting it publicly that I know of.

If Daboll could get Stanzi (Pioli's draft pick QB) looking like a credible candidate for starting QB by pre-season, he'll gain a lot of support for HCOTF and save Pioli's job. Big opportunity if Daboll can develope Stanzi quickly and make Cassel an overpaid backup.

Despite social media and what beat writers would lead you to believe, NFL staffers don't tweet every single coaching interview they do. Some of these things are kept under wraps so they don't alienate existing staff or other deals that may be in the works.

You really that excited to see Dwayne Bowe in New England next season?

Yep. Daboll seems fine to me. I'll be shocked if Pioli actually does bring in competition for Cassel. If he brings in Orton or someone likely to be released like Chad Henne, those guys will beat out Cassel in any fair competition. I'm guessing Pioli brings in pure crap like Derek Anderson or Jake Delhomme as a veteran presence to compete with Cassel.

Thats why I think everyones upset.But whos to say at this point in the offseason hes going to be the starter??Smart people are not going to let their job security ride on him.

Very uninspiring hire. Tough to tell since he hasn't been with a team with a lot of talent.

Yep. My friends keep asking my opinion of the OC search & about possible candidates. My reply has always been something along the lines of "It won't matter when Cassel's the unquestioned starter in Training Camp."

I don't know what it's gunna take to get Pioli fired or at least for him to make a drastic change at the QB position (I don't consider going from Cassel to Orton that drastic, seeing as how you can't win a championship with either of them). Probably a lot. But I'm willing to sit through a 4-12 season or 2 to make it happen.

Screw pioli hes not the coach.A coach with any balls would tell him Im not starting Cassel.At this point piolis not or can`t fire them over that.Or pioli would be fired.

No.

Sadly, I am hopefull we push to sign Orton. Obviously, this will show us how aggressive we may be in addressing the QB position in the draft...

As for Bowe...I'm not worried about him leaving. NE of all teams wouldn't be able to afford him. They are going to have enough trouble keeping their FA in-house.

Hiring Daboll just another pat move by the Chiefs

Hiring Daboll, one more link to New England, isn’t exactly a bold statement by Chiefs.


By SAM MELLINGER

The Kansas City Star


NDIANAPOLIS -- So that’s it, huh?

Brian Daboll, recently replaced by the Dolphins, is the Chiefs’ new offensive coordinator. To get here, to the Super Bowl, the Chiefs are trusting a man whose best offense in three years as a coordinator ranked 22nd.

I’ll pause so you can contain your excitement.

Turns out the hire Chiefs fans have waited on for a month spent seven seasons with the Patriots. I’ll pause again so you can contain your surprise.

Honest question: Would you be more excited for Daboll or Josh McDaniels?

Look, this might be a good hire. Daboll is creative. Organized. Energetic. The players in Miami mostly liked him and the Dolphins got better as the season went on, ranking 11th in points over the last nine games as Daboll figured out better ways to utilize Reggie Bush’s talents and manage Matt Moore’s limitations.

This might also be a bad hire. Browns quarterback Colt McCoy, who played his rookie season under Daboll in Cleveland, said he sometimes had to take his helmet off to call a play in the huddle because even his teammates could hear Daboll yelling through the headset. Daboll’s teams have finished 32nd, 29th and 22nd in offense.

Judging coaching hires immediately is by definition a guessing game, like deciding whether a woman would make a good girlfriend based on her shirt color.

So maybe this is a good hire, maybe it’s bad, but here is what it definitely is not: bold.

In choosing an old New England co-worker, new head coach Romeo Crennel followed the established Scott Pioli pattern of valuing familiarity above inspiration.

Daboll was replaced in Miami by Mike Sherman after Joe Philbin took over as head coach. The Chiefs will be Daboll’s fourth team in five years, and his ties to New England are deep enough that the league interviewed him twice during Spygate.

The Chiefs went outside the organization only in technical terms. This is more of the New England good ol’ boy network, which so far has only worked in New England.

When it comes to players, Pioli often talks about the importance and value of knowing the guys on his own team better than anyone else. That’s why his most expensive and impactful personnel moves have been trading for Matt Cassel (who Pioli drafted and watched up close in New England) and signing many of the Chiefs’ own emerging stars to long-term extensions.

The same logic would apply to coaches, and you have to wonder if the Chiefs feel exposed after their most important outside-the-Belichick-family hire blew up when Pioli fired Todd Haley.

If so, the feeling is understandable, but there is a long-held belief by many executives across sports that above all else you have to continue being aggressive even after failures because otherwise you are sure to fail.

The Chiefs are in much better shape on the field now than three years ago — it’s easy to forget they should be the AFC West favorites this season — but one of Pioli’s biggest shortcomings has been an unwillingness to be aggressive.

That was never more obvious than after the lockout ended, and an entire offseason’s worth of activity essentially condensed into a few weeks. The Chiefs were mostly inactive.

Waiting until now to hire a coordinator from the family is another sign of passiveness.

None of this is necessarily damning, of course, especially in the instantaneous judging of a coaching hire. But what makes this move tough to get behind is that there is nothing obvious in Daboll’s track record to make you think he’d be a good coordinator for the Chiefs, other than the fact that he spent time in New England with Crennel and Pioli.

At least on the surface, this is familiarity for familiarity’s sake, made worse by the possibility that the reputation of the Chiefs’ working environment limited their other options.

In that, the Chiefs find themselves in a strange and troubling spot: hiring a coach for a shared common history, but also being an organization that says it values continuity while bringing in a nomadic guy to be their fourth (fifth, if you count Chan Gailey’s cameo) offensive coordinator in four seasons.

Another unsettling point: Daboll’s hire could be an indication that the Chiefs remain in a monogamous relationship with Cassel. Daboll’s last two seasons as wide receivers coach in New England were Cassel’s first two seasons as the Patriots’ backup quarterback.

In recent days, Crennel and Pioli indicated they’d be aggressive in creating better competition for Cassel, but NFL reality is that the coach and GM may not feel they have the time or inclination to start over.

Many of the Chiefs’ best players — Jamaal Charles, Tamba Hali, Derrick Johnson and Dwayne Bowe, among others — generally have about three seasons remaining of what you’d expect to be their best years.

Crennel is working on a three-year contract, and if he doesn’t win, you wouldn’t expect Pioli to hire the next head coach.

So in that way, we won’t have to wait long to make the final judgment about a hire that right now looks too forced and familiar to be excited about.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/02/04...#storylink=cpy

Of course Daboll wants Matt Cassel. How many QB's are willing to fight an entire defense after a late cheap shot to a running back? That's what I thought - none. Not Peyton Manning. 'Oh, my neck nerve, I can't push".

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I am very thankful we announced this after the Superbowl to avoid taking any national spotlight from the Giants.
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Why is Mellinger such a pussy.

Just call Pioli out, everyone can see the light at the end of the tunnel, and it's a burning tree.

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Do ya think Clark reads the Star...?

Oh wait, he lives in Dallas. :shake:

I felt he was calling him out with the sarcasm.

Let alone referencing this is likely his [Pioli] final hire as a GM if they don't win soon.

which must mean pioli is stupid, because he's banked his entire credibility on Cassel....

Pioli going into the 4th year of his 5-year contract; shit's about to get real...

Omg so much heart!

Really starting to get ****in pissed. I don't wanna hate this club but its ****in close. Mother****ers.

Please.

How about just flat out saying what anyone can see now - we're headed for disaster and Pioli is a giant overpaid joke of a GM.

The writing is on the wall Pioli has smeared his feces with.

I duno, I felt it was pretty clear in the article...not sure if you will see "overpaid joke" crop up often from a columnist...

Do you want him to use alphabet soup next time to make it more fun?

He's tiptoeing around it...he's being a giant pussy columnist, which is what he's best at.

"hey guys, Pioli knows daboll, this might be bad!!!"

Missing Whitlock. He would be roasting Pioli over an open flame right now.

He basically did call him out. The article was spot on.

Liberty Memorial?

Meanwhile Haley got the OC job in Pitt...I'm curious as to who has more credibility in the NFL right now? Pioli or Haley? One gets a prime job with one of the premier organizations in the NFL; the other can't find an OC dumb enough to take a job that will lead to being handicapped with arguably the worst starting QB in the league.

Besides Philbin, did we even interview a playoff coach?

Or were we just waiting for Miami to find someone better than him so they would let us interview him because after McDaniels, he was the only other coach that wouldn't laugh at Matt Cassel?

Dont know. But, was it ever clear that Crennel was going to interview people on playoff teams for the OC position? He just said "coaches" didn't he?

Please answer this question with honesty and with sincerity.

I don't hate the Chiefs.

I hate Scott Pioli, who obviously hates the Chiefs because he wants to make them into the Patriots.

I would like the Chiefs to become the Patriots. Let's start with getting a Tom Brady.

This franchise is a ****ing joke. Will you finally admit it?

Winning cures everything in sports.

Not winning magnifies every single flaw a team has.

Truth is, if we don't lose 3 guys to ACL injuries this year, we win the division for the second straight year for the first time in forever.

Right now, I LOVE...not just like, LOVE the way this roster is being built. that credit goes to Pioli.

He inherited a poor roster and has us 2-3 pieces away from being a LEGIT superbowl team.

The damning part is that one of those pieces is quarterback and that overshadows everything else.

I don't think that Pioli is ready to give up on Cassel yet (this year is the cheapest of the entire contract), but I don't think he is far from pulling the plug, either. If he doesn't step up big time this year, no way they bring him in next year at 8 million.

There is NO DOUBT that the issue has been brought up when the team asked to and interviewed other coaches for the OC spot. I'd be willing to bet we tried to talk to a lot of coaches and that we were denied due to Cassel.

Its not like Pioli can ignore the issue.

His statements are consistent with that line of thinking, too.

He said he isnt married to Cassel.
Harry asked him if he would trade up for a quarterback and he said "depends on the cost" ...that right there shows that Pioli sees quarterback as a major need, worthy of a first round pick AND MORE...just not 2 first round picks.
he said he is gonna bring in competition
His head coach keeps bringing up Orton

Like I said, I dont think he is ready to give up on him (therefore pissing more time by hiring Daboll to try and help Matt), but that depending on how Camp and preseason go could yield us a new starting quarterback.

I dont think Cassel goes into this camp as the unquestioned starter...regardless of who we bring in.

Holy cow!

if Pioli was smart, he'd draft a QB somewhere in the first 3 rounds. I'm not saying he trades up to get a QB, I'm saying he takes a QB somewhere in the first 3 rounds. This will send a huge message to Cassel--get better or you're gone. Let Cassel have one more year and maybe he gets the same message that Alex Smith got when SF drafted that QB from Nevada in the 2nd round (I forget his name now).

New HC, new OC, and drafting a QB in the "I give a shit" rounds on the first day of the draft.

This is coming from a Broncos fan. I hope pee-oh-lee does NOT do this. However, IF he had any brains at all he'd pull the trigger on another QB in the draft before he gets fired.

I agree that Pioli "inherrited a poor roster" yet after 3 drafts, the best players on the team are still the ones he inherited...:hmmm:

That Haley got to play up to their capabilities.

Please tell me you're not serious

SERIOUSLY? :bong:

We have him,Stanzi,just play him

I am. It is clear. Bowe and DJ didn't play up to their abilites with Herm. They did after Haley motivated them in apparently the only way they could be motivated.

Absolutely. Anyone that doesn't think Haley got more out of Bowe and DJ than Herm did is a moron.

We just need a mo Lewis.

As uninspired as the Crennel hire. And, just like Crennel, it will be easy to part ways with Daboll when this thing fails (and it will).

Might be a stretch Mr. 007 to say Stanzi is the same material as Brady at this point. That being said, I agree that Stanzi should be given a fair opportunity with the first team offense against Cassel and whoever to compete for the position......

Yeah he should. Especially if it is Cassel, it should be a legit competition. While he may never be Brady, even at .008% chance its still an .008% better of a chance than Cassel ever has of being Brady.

Actually all of our star players now weren't touching this production under Herm.

People can hate on Haley and there are a lot of reasons, but I don't see how anyone can deny what DJ and Bowe became when he lit a fire under their ass.

Haley is a position coach. His style of coaching IMO is best suited for that. A HC or even OC can't call out each player individually like he's done with the WRs he's coached. There's not enough time in a day and it would take to much energy.

I could end up being wrong but I don't think he'll last long as the OC for Pitts. And Pitts is the best at setting up their coaches to succeed. :shrug: I reckon we'll see in a year or so.

He did a fine job in Arizona. He had a good QB there and he's got an even better one in Pitt.

If they don't improve the QB position, drastically, it will fail no doubt.

Spot on.

This regime is circling the drain.

What is pathetic is that even the Herm and Carl Chiefs did more to try and save their ass by hiring Chan Gailey in 2008. At least that was an "outside the box" move.

"Balla ass GM" Clayton April 2011

Precisely.

any word on the OL, WR, and other coaches?

The negativity here lately is really overbearing...

The performance of the franchise, on and off the field, is really overbearing...

Just imagine Miami being next year's 49ers. We interview Philbin first, but go with Romeo and Daboll. Riots would ensue.

Well, according to Daboll's description of what he looks for in a QB, he's not a big Matt Cassel fan:

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/201...ami-dolphins/3

B..b..but...in 2010, Matt...

Haley is going to be a really good coach if he doesn't have a micromanaging, back stabbing, control freak running the organization.

Dwayne Bowe's last season under Herm:

86 catches, 1,022 yards.

Bowe's last season under Haley:

81 catches, 1,162 yards.

Yeah, he turned an 80 catch, 1,000 yard WR into an 80 catch, 1,000 yard WR.

Nicely done, Todd. Nicely !@#$ing done.

Todd Haley didn't do a thing to make Dwayne Bowe a better WR, he simply played him and Bowe developed physically through age and mentally through experience.

As for DJ - I'd argue that Crennel did far more for the development of DJ than Haley did. I've yet to see any evidence that Haley has an active role in coaching up our defensive players.

Haley didn't do a thing for this franchise - not one single thing.

Fan-****ing-tastic...


Josh Looney @JoshLooney
#Chiefs will be more similar to Miami's offense last year than anything else - Crennel

:facepalm:

Josh Looney @JoshLooney
"Sometimes knowing what they're about it important" - Romeo Crennel on hiring #Chiefs OC Brian Daboll

Kent Babb @kentbabb
Romeo: "Sometimes knowing people and knowing what they're about is important. I know that was important to me."

Arrowhead Pride @ArrowheadPride
Crennel says offense will be similar to what Miami ran last year. Says the hire is more about Daboll than it is Cassel.

Crennel's been really good about giving you the company line for the last several weeks.

I'll give Pioli this - he got himself a hell of a soldier to be the HC of this team. There's no way that Crennel is going to leave the reservation on him.

When Scott says "jump", Romeo will definitely say "are you ****ing kidding me? Jump?"....but then when Scott says "Fair point...Alright, go make me a sandwich", Romeo will definitely ask him if he wants extra mayo on it.

So DJ, if they infact resign Orton, what are your feelings about Crennel?


I think he knows that Cassel is a defense killer and wants no part of him. I'd say there is a massive struggle going on at Arrowhead between him and Scott about the golden boy.

Romeo Crennel: 'It's More About Brian Daboll Than Matt Cassel'
by Joel Thorman on Feb 7, 2012 10:55 AM CST


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One of the reasons I thought the Kansas City Chiefs hired Brian Daboll as offensive coordinator was because he ran an offense similar to the one in which Matt Cassel has had his most success. Maybe that played a role in the hire but it wasn't the overwhelming reason why Daboll was hired, Romeo Crennel said on Tuesday.

"It's more about Brian than it is Matt Cassel," Crennel said on a conference call with KC reporters this morning.

Crennel said Daboll was the first person he offered the coordinator job to and that the search took so long because Daboll was under contract with the Miami Dolphins. He also indicated that the Dolphins wanted to keep him and other teams were interested in him as well.

As for the the offense he'll run, Crennel said when you compare it to KC's offense last year or New England or Miami, it's more like the Dolphins. "You can see some no huddle, you can see some multiple tight ends, you can see some two back, some one back, so we can see it all," Crennel said. He also mentioned having balance in the offense as far as the running and passing game is concerned.

We'll have some more details on what he said about the staff (right after I eat at this Chinese buffet for lunch...yeah, we're a real professional operation around here). Check our Twitter feed -- @ArrowheadPride -- for a few more details, including Crennel's expectation that Jim Zorn will remain with the staff.

Was this a Pioli hire or a Crennel hire? We will never know....

Arrowhead Pride @ArrowheadPride
Daboll asked about Chiefs offense: "The first word I want to use is attack."

If they sign Orton, I'll soften a whole lot of stances.

If they sign Orton and signal a further commitment to the position in this year's draft or the next (depending on how the respective drafts fall), then I'll go from softening hatred to outright support.

I'm not inflexible here, but to this point Pioli has been. I'll continue to give him a chance to change my mind, but through 3 seasons I'm certainly not impressed and given what we've seen from him, I hold out little hope that he'll suddenly do a 180.

Can we use Charles the same way that they used Bush?

Ok good to know.

I don't really see much we could do to upgrade in this years draft. Maybe Tannehill if he is still around.

If they re-sign Orton and draft Tannehill I'll be happy.

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Daboll: "I have a lot of confidence in Matt Cassel. I've watched him on tape. I know the player."




:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

Damn it man.

Hopefully this is just coach speak and him not wanting to throw a player under the bus.


Although I remember Weis saying he was here to fix the qb before he even started anything.

He'll get over that fast. Every other coach here has.

What else is Daboll going to say about Cassel?

I'm more concerned about whether Pioli really brings in competition for Cassel. I'm guessing it'll be a Derek Anderson instead of Kyle Orton.